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EOS Bodies / Re: Next Rebel Going EVF? [CR1]
« on: October 05, 2014, 02:54:19 AM »
... my day job is color grading. ... My other job is in camera department ...

In this case, notwithstanding the fact that you don't like EVF's, stop putting down actual photographers who do prefer an EVF in their cameras.

I get it. Sorry. I'll stop insulting actual bad photographers. :)

It is now the time to put your knowledge where your mouth is ... by telling me (and other photographers) why preferring an EVF equates to bad photography. Go ahead, let 'er rip with a comprehensive and numbered list!

P.S. An excuse why you won't will mean you can't, because it does.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Next Rebel Going EVF? [CR1]
« on: October 03, 2014, 08:40:29 AM »
... my day job is color grading. ... My other job is in camera department ...

In this case, notwithstanding the fact that you don't like EVF's, stop putting down actual photographers who do prefer an EVF in their cameras.

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Canon General / Re: Financial Times - "Digital cameras: out of focus"
« on: October 03, 2014, 03:23:13 AM »
Kirk Tuck:

"But what we're seeing in photography right now is not really the adoption of a new standard or product. People are not just moving from one type of camera to another they are moving to a new mental space about personal imaging and they have just done it en masse."

And does Canon's line-up of DSLR cameras cater for this move to a new mental space? No.

And does Olympus's/FUJIFILM's/Samsung's line-up of mirrorless cameras cater for this move to a new mental space? Yes.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Next Rebel Going EVF? [CR1]
« on: October 03, 2014, 03:19:23 AM »
Rebels always had bad viewfinders. Entry-level shooters prefer WISYWIG though god knows anyone who has a clue what they're doing prefers optical finders.

Always glad to see insulting, ignorant comments on the web!


Good for you, I can tell. Continue posting them!

Those of us who know what we're doing will get back to shooting with optical finders and knowing how to meter properly in the first place. :)

As for my apology, you've earned it. I'm sorry you've been shooting that long and still don't have a clue how to meter!

Wow, talk about denial. Sheesh-kebabs!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Next Rebel Going EVF? [CR1]
« on: October 03, 2014, 03:14:52 AM »
That's silly.  Pros don't give a flying you-know-what about whether they're in the under-$1000 pocket.  They care about things like low latency, maintaining dark adaptation of their eyes at night, fast focusing speed, and ability to see critical focus with the naked eye (at normal f-stops, anyway).  EVFs can't deliver that combination, nor are they likely to be able to deliver it within the next ten years.

Depends on your definition of what a "pro" photographer does for a living. Good professional photographers are primarily interested in creating the picture. Good professional photographers then use the gear best suited to producing said required/desired picture. Good professional photographers actually don't give a hoot about those things you've mentioned ... if you can't take a good picture with your FUJIFILM Instax or Apple iPhone, then you ain't a good professional photographer. I have seen too many "professional" photographers totally depending on the abilities of their "pro" cameras and "post" to actually take a mediocre picture. (Just for fun, go watch those DigitalRev episodes on YouTube where they challenge a professional photographer with a crappola camera ... and see who makes it and who don't, as it is very informative ... especially when you look at the "preferred gear" of those who do poorly on the test.)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Next Rebel Going EVF? [CR1]
« on: October 03, 2014, 02:57:18 AM »
That said, I've never owned an EVF camera (unless cell phones count :P). I have tinkered with EVFs in hands-on moments in stores -- particularly Sony mirrorless models as I have a Sony store near me.  I have found the EVFs to be bright and loaded full of information, but a shade laggy compared to what I am used to.

It depends on the available light: I have found that in certain light conditions, especially indoors with fluorescent light (which flickers at 50/60Hz) the EVF of my X-T1 does struggle a bit. But outside in the sun or indoors with incandescent light it is really fast enough.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Next Rebel Going EVF? [CR1]
« on: October 02, 2014, 03:06:33 PM »
So I just don't see the 7D2 as something you buy for standard FL use.  It's the reach camera.  No need for standard FLs on it.

You're probably absolutely right. I wonder what the kit lens will be ... an EF 400mm f/4 DO IS II USM lens?  ;)

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Why haven't you left canon?
« on: October 02, 2014, 02:17:08 PM »
FUJIFILM doesn't make a 1:1 macro ... Besides, the EF-S 60mm f/2.8 USM is dirt cheap, razor sharp and my 30D has all the pixels a need for copying documents, slides, negatives and fingers.

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Canon General / Re: Financial Times - "Digital cameras: out of focus"
« on: October 02, 2014, 02:13:57 PM »
Camera companies got along just fine for half a century with bodies being of minimal importance, going back to that model shouldn't tear the industry apart.

The only difference then was that DR, ISO (aka ASA), etc. wasn't their problem; now it is.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Next Rebel Going EVF? [CR1]
« on: October 02, 2014, 02:09:16 PM »
Those are different user groups.  70D / 7D / 7D2 guys value responsiveness as much as functions/features.  They won't give up their OVFs anytime soon.

I fall in the 70D "grouping" and I gave up the OVF. (The decision on upgrading my 30D's was either the 70D or the X-T1. And I chose ...  8))

The 7D2 is for me a conundrum: great camera, iffy native lenses. But that aside, obviously Canon cannot improve the EOS-M to this level, both technologically and fiscally.

I just think one sweeping EOS-M upgrade that addresses the major needs of mirrorless devotees -- an EVF, more responsive focusing, better grip, etc. -- will still allow a smaller form factor camera to take pictures in more arenas.

Call me negative, but I think it is too late for Canon. Everyone who wants those things in a primary camera has already bought a Panasonic, FUJIFILM, Olympus or Sony camera and lenses. Unless Canon can do it cheaper, but then we won't be getting "an EVF, more responsive focusing, better grip, etc."  :D

But if it's the inevitable future, why run from it?

What else is there to do?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Next Rebel Going EVF? [CR1]
« on: October 02, 2014, 01:52:45 PM »
But part of me wonders if the world would really end if smaller mounts got higher quality native lenses -- L, USM, pro build, etc. 

The very fact that Canon has still today refused to treat us with an EF-S L lens, should be your answer: yes.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Next Rebel Going EVF? [CR1]
« on: October 02, 2014, 01:47:06 PM »
... offer an EOS-M EVF ...

Olympus tried this with the E-Px series and now they are concentrating on the SLR-like E-Mx series. The conclusion is to quote Rincewind: "That doesn't work."  ;)

... consider a higher end EF-M body ...

How higher? On par with the 70D? That'll kill their "prosumer" mid-level camera range for sure.  :'(

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EOS Bodies / Re: Next Rebel Going EVF? [CR1]
« on: October 02, 2014, 01:35:00 PM »
On your first bit, sure, but let's say they keep the EF-S mount setup and switch to an EVF.  That EVF will gobble up battery and have a very small lag, which are downgrades from an OVF.  I'd need to know why they'd shoe-horn in an (almost) must for mirrorless in a body that has room for a mirror.  What is the upside to doing that?  Cost?  More compositional feedback a la LiveView (for the entry level?!).  I must be missing something here.

A few random points to maybe fill in the parts you might be missing.  ;)

A larger body (for a mirrorless camera) offers the opportunity for a larger or second battery. This point is one of the great Catch-22's of current mirrorless cameras ... the camera is small, so the battery must also be small; yet the camera requires more power, apparently. I say apparently, because the battery of my FUJIFILM X-T1 lasts about 400 actuations; but then I nearly always use the EVF exclusively (and set to auto-on/off).

The EF-S mount allows no-brainer attachment of EF (read L) lenses. This provides a clear upgrade for a novice from a mirrorless "Rebel" to L-lenses to a full-frame camera. The EF-M mount is single-use only; plus it will require duplication of lenses for those photographers who want the benefits of using both a full-frame camera and a mirrorless camera.

An EVF is also a cheap way to create a huge selling point ... a big viewfinder. With the small mirror in APS-C cameras it is not (easily) possible to have the same size viewfinder as on for example the 1D-series, without resorting to optics (an expense). But an EVF can be made as large or even larger than the viewfinder in full-frame cameras at basically no extra cost - beyond that of the EVF itself.

Then there is the bugbear of lag ... Hehehehe, the EVF in my X-T1 sometimes does funny things, but overall the lag is ... wait, what lag?  ;)

But why should Canon actually do it ... put an EVF in a "Rebel"? Because (a) almost everybody else uses EVF's in their cameras, (b) mirrorless is here to stay and (c) they have to put it somewhere.

On your second bit, you make a fair point -- Rebel can evolve.  I just don't think Rebel will evolve overnight.  If this rumor is true -- and that's a big if -- one might imagine there would not be a hard exodus from mirrors.  So you'd have Rebel SLRs alongside Rebel mirrorless -- they'd have to call them something very clearly different (like Rebel Mirrorless), and that seems a bit of a fragmentation of the brand rather than an evolution.  I'm not opposed to it so much as curious why they would do this here instead of grow the EOS-M brand with an EVF, smaller native lenses, etc.

I think mirrors will be a part of Canon's camera strategy for a few more years, especially in their top-end cameras. However, I feel strongly that the 100D/SL1 should have been a mirrorless camera, co-existing with the larger 700D/Rebel "whatever" camera. This would have given consumers a choice between sticking with the traditional or going for the new. And it would have given Canon a great market analysis as to the viability of mirrorless in terms of their brand.

The EOS-M is a cute camera. However, it is a dead-end in terms of long-term development of the photographer, as the EF-M mount doesn't lend itself to a seamless "upgrade" path to ... well, full-frame.

If Canon does indeed decide to grow the EOS-M brand, then they will have to add much more in terms of capabilities and lenses; and this will bite into their top-end cameras. If they don't add these things, then the EOS-M brand remains a once-off, cute camera for hobbiests. (The current poor battery-life of the EOS-M makes it unsuitable as a travel camera, although this would be a great application of it.)

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Canon General / Re: Financial Times - "Digital cameras: out of focus"
« on: October 02, 2014, 12:51:49 PM »
How many people who buy a used 5MK II for their first DSLR buy lenses? 

Ah, but the article is about CAMERA sales, not lens sales.

... what is hidden in the numbers is for every upgrade like I plan to do, there are more people who will then enter with used gear and wind up getting more lenses, flashes, etc.

Of which many will be bought secondhand from "upgraders" - as you also stated.

There appears (at least to me) to be a solid core of DSLR shooters who will likely remain DSLR shooters.

True. However, there are also a lot of people who bought middle-range DSLR's and have now found that their iPhone is just so much more convenient ... and takes alright'ish enough pictures semi-equivalent to the kit lens. So they sell the practically brand-new 60D to finance the next-generation iPhone. Canon makes zippola, because the DSLR is not "upgraded" with a new DSLR.

Hell, especially for long teles, I still see FD versions sell well probably because of Ed Mika adapters alone. 

For which Canon doesn't get a dime, penny or cent.

But in the next 12 month we should have the 7D MK II, the 5D MK IV, the 1DX II and perhaps a high MP if that is not one of the two later.

You wish.  ;D

Do you think Canon's 23% might rise greatly with 3 - 4 top end Pro/Prosumer bodies in 12 months?

Canon already has too many DSLR models on the market, IMO. This causes buyer confusion.

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Canon General / Re: Site trolling
« on: October 02, 2014, 12:30:10 PM »
It is a question of capability, not intent.

Maybe the patent game backfired on Canon and now they may not use that great sensor they just developed?

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