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Just because an upgraded model is significantly better in many/most respects doesn't mean the model it replaces suddenly stops taking the same pictures it's been taking all along.

Then why do you keep harping on the fact that: (1) I used a 30D as my primary camera up until a few months ago (i.e. mid-2014); or (2) my lenses are either (a) physically old (as in designed & manufactured +15 years ago, e.g. the 28-70mm f/2.8 and the 24mm f/2.8 ) or (b) old designs, but recently manufactured (e.g. the 70-200mm f/4 and the 400mm f/5.6)?

But you are correct: the "old" model continues to "produce" that same level of photographs that it "produced" when it was top-of-the-line. (Well, not quite, but that is a different discussion.)

However, the "new" model "produces" better pictures (or so one would assume).

Therefore, the "professional" photographer has a choice: either continue "producing" the same level of photographs as the previous years; or "produce" better pictures. The former is called stagnation and the latter is called being competitive in a competitive market.

Lenses / Re: I *HATE* UPS.
« on: November 29, 2014, 10:58:57 AM »
If you don't want to do the job enough to do it well, do something else.

Most times there isn't something else ...

Back to the topic, sort of. As someone who regularly sends things through the post, as well as receiving things through the post, I have learned that post office proof packing is a martial art of sorts and double-wall corrugated boxes your primary weapon.

Canon General / Re: Does Canon really deserve this?
« on: November 29, 2014, 10:17:18 AM »
As for shot per battery.

The counter on my FUJIFILM X-T1 stands at 2247 and I just recharged the battery for the fifth time (including the initial charging when purchased.) This averages to 561 photos per charge. And I use the EVF 90% of the time ...  :P

Lenses / Re: I *HATE* UPS.
« on: November 29, 2014, 10:09:18 AM »
I read rants like in this thread and always think two things: if you people ever dealt with the South African Post Office, then you would not complain evermore; and how lucky we are with the service by the South African Post Office, compared to what you get from your postal services.

I understand that cell phones have sensors too, but do you need 50MP or higher in a cell phone?

And why not. OK, more practical reason would be that the higher MP can then act as a sort of "digital zoom", rather than having to actually fit a teensy-weensy zoom in the phone.

Also, if it was just sensors, I was talking about... may be I should've been more specific... a7,a7r,a7s,a7II, a9 - what is the point if its a shrinking market? (hence, the question of abandoning ship)

The question should rather be which segment of camera sales are shrinking? Obviously the P&S segment. Possibly the entry-level (aka "Rebel") segment. But I do think that the more higher-end will actually show growth.

Also, if it is all about the sensor, why not keep it at just sensors (no cameras or lenses, just sensors) and sell to other companies?

And to who must Sony sell these sensors? Canon? So with Nikon being the only potential purchaser in town, it makes sense to then make your own products incorporating your own products.

Canon General / Re: Does Canon really deserve this?
« on: November 29, 2014, 09:43:15 AM »
I don´t believe you'll find very many real Canon bashers on this forum, but you´ll find quite a few who are getting a bit impatient, having waited for a new high resolution, improved DR, improved low ISO noise sensor for a bit too long.

True, although one could expand considerably on the list of examples you gave there.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 7DMKII Focus keeper rate ideas?
« on: November 29, 2014, 09:32:49 AM »
Yeah, my favorite from this thread was the expectation that a pro renting some gear should not have to calibrate it.

I do believe that specifically I wrote (bold added):

What will happen if such a professional photographer rents (or borrows) a lens at the last moment, but must now spend an hour first to calibrate the combination?

Obviously you've never had equipment croak on you at an event and then have some nice person loan you his "backup" gear. Or vice versa.

I guess rental houses are supposed to have the same calibration gear Canon should have, then have all rentals hand-delivered by white-glove couriers lest a careless UPS handler drop a box. 

Personally, I fully expect a reputable rental company to check each and every lens for faults upon receiving it back. Would you be amicable if that super-great lens you rented arrives the afternoon before the big event and it cannot focus properly ... no matter how much you AFMA, huh?

Oh, and they should do all that without passing the costs along to the customer.

Why not. As the saying goes: you pay peanuts, you hire monkeys.

Ok, that's actually my second favorite.  Top honors go to lower crime rates leading to zero insurance premiums.

Understandably my original statement was rather a difficult concept to grasp, seeing as it combines legal theory and social science, plus borrowing elements from psychology. However, I am glad it at least had some entertainment value ... granted I'm no Bill Nye.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 7DMKII Focus keeper rate ideas?
« on: November 29, 2014, 09:07:03 AM »
Sella is unrealistic in his expectations ...

Not really, given the current trend in consumer protection legislation.

... and lacks perspective on design and manufacturing of high precision equipment.

When you allow a large tolerance variation in your products, you are no longer manufacturing high precision equipment.

AFMA allows Canon users to account for differences in their older gear as wear, or even minor dings or knocks that shift parts.  ...  AFMA gives us a simple, painless way to account for that. 

There is no way that AFMA will ever allow you to adjust for a shifted lens element.

Also, your basic statement is only one-third correct. Old'ish Canon cameras and all new "Rebels" do not offer AFMA. Thus, only if you own a camera that does offer AFMA can you use it ... and this is what fraction of Canon DSLR camera owners? (At least Sigma offers users that docking pod thing for calibrating their lenses, irrespective of the Canon camera owned.)

I'm sure Neuro can talk long about calibration of scopes and scanning equipment....even multi-million dollar machines.

I'm sure neuroanatomist can talk long about many other things as well.

Calibration is not indication of inherent lack of quality.

No, calibration is not an indication of a lack quality, rather the extent to which new equipment needs to be calibrated is an indication of the lack of quality control on the part of the manufacturer.

Canon General / Re: Does Canon really deserve this?
« on: November 28, 2014, 11:16:26 AM »

... did Canon release any camera's in 2014 in time to be evaluated for this article that fit into any of the categories?

My take on this is either that a few "list compilers" view the 7D2 as unworthy, or that Canon's wonderful marketing dept. flubbed big on the release date of the 7D2, or both.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 7DMKII Focus keeper rate ideas?
« on: November 28, 2014, 11:05:09 AM »
I am a big fan of job-creation.  ;)

Most companies are not big fans of increased labor costs.  Those costs are passed on to the consumer.  So, I guess you're also a big fan of higher prices.

I am also a fan of lower crime rates, which would lead to lower/zero insurance premiums ... thereby reducing the total cost of ownership.

Funny, I am seeing quite a lot fulltime wedding, portrait and landscape photographers in my vincity, who use 5D mk2 bodies with 17-40, 24-70 mk1 and 70-200 mk1 lenses, while making a living and creating spectacular images. I guess somebody should tell them the wrong of their ways :P


Question to be asked is why haven't they "upgraded" yet?

Probably because it doesn't matter, as their current gear is good enough and will remain good enough for quite a few more years. So if someone "switches" to Sony now and Sony discontinues the line three years into the future, but the gear remains sufficient then there's no real issue/problem with its continued use and so again there is no "huge price hit".

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 7DMKII Focus keeper rate ideas?
« on: November 28, 2014, 04:59:54 AM »
I don't know what the scope is for automating this process, would it require quite a high human interaction to mount and dismount each item, thinking lens release button?

I am a big fan of job-creation.  ;)

I would imagine that each machine would be costly, plus use a lot of floor space, thinking test an 800mm lens, plus there would be a requirement for more than one of each, routine calibration etc, I still see the price climbing, though possibly by a much smaller margin.

Canon either already has dedicated assembly lines for each and every lens in production; or Canon produces lenses in batches, adjusting the assembly line each time. (I remember reading an article on how Henschel built locomotives in the 1930's ... )

And in the world of photography.

If you jump ship today... sell off all your Canon or Nikon gear and then 2 or 3 years down the line Sony BetaMaxes/Vaios/XBRs the Alphas and sticks to making sensors and other devices for other manufacturers... what happens to your gear?  Will you take a huge price hit trying to get back into Nikon / Canon or who ever is now the market?  Or do you just say how great your camera was back in the day and try and justify that you don't need the latest. 

No. For any (real) professional photographer, their gear are tools. Only, they are tools that must be kept up to date to provide their clients with the best possible product. This means that even if a professional photographer does stick to one brand (e.g. Canon), she/he will anyway be replacing their gear in three-four year cycles.

For example, any professional photographer worth his/her salt have upgraded their 24-70mm from the Mark I to the Mark II. Same with the 70-200mm lens. The same will be with the 100-400mm lens. Now when we start looking at cameras, we see that real pros have all upped from the 5D2 to the Mark III. Or from the 1D4 to the 1DX.

So if a real professional photographer is anyway constantly replacing gear as new models/marks/versions are introduced by their chosen brand, then it becomes a small mental jump to realise that "switching" brands (or rather "mixing" brands) is not really such a financial disaster as most enthusiasts think.

Therefore, if a real professional photographer "switches" to Sony and Sony terminates the product-line after three years, then the professional just "switches" to another brand. He/she then uses that brand, possibly upgrading within it for a few years ... and then maybe "switches" again.

On the other end of the scale, most enthusiasts, nearly all of which have invested in lenses they do not really need, will take a financial hit. But then, they've already set themselves up for that hit due to GAS.

Did I take a financial hit when "switching"? No ... actually, I came out of the deal with heaps of extra dinero because I realised I did not have to replace certain lenses due to (a) me not using them very much and (b) a replacement lens incorporating the abilities of at least two-three previous lenses.

Photography Technique / Re: Share 3x your own advice to yourself!
« on: November 27, 2014, 02:32:57 PM »
Apart from the excellent advice already mentioned and not to repeat anything, these are lower on my list:

- Develop a distinctive style of photography;
- Camera gear isn't an investment; and
- Zoom lenses generally suck / primes are the best lenses.

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