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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: D7000 replacement in April...
« on: February 05, 2013, 11:21:33 PM »
As for the Canon 70-200 f4/L having "terrible bokeh"...I've had mine for 3 years, and I love the bokeh.  It is very smooth, at least on my crop camera.  I don't notice much bokeh at the wider end, but near to 200mm, it seems very smooth to me.  (Closeups of wildflowers, etc...really "pop"). ..

I don't know about the f/4 Ls
I DO know the f/2.8 L II can have horrid bokeh, I posted an example in the lens gallery.  It's far from the only one I've got.

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.. I'll even go on the record as saying my D800 does not significantly out-resolve my former 5d2.  The shadows are much cleaner, however, and RAW files are probably better...uhh....programmed? Outta my league there!! But the 14-24 (I don't own one) and 16-35VR (I do own one) are the reasons I switched from the 5d2 and 17-40L (which I used to own). And all of the newer, highly economical F/1.8 primes they have released.

Off-topic here, how do you find the 16-35mm in the corners?.. I've been considering it for my D800 as the 17-35/2.8 is not up to my desires for landscapin.'
The 17-40L was not very good until stopped WAY down and even then it depended on focus distance.
As for 5d2 vs d800, I sold the former, bought 2 of the latter.

ON topic, I'm not surprised the old 1D series produces a slightly more pleasing image than the 5D3 but there should be some reasons for that. 5D3 should be producing slightly better raw files..

Then again, I sold all my newer Canon bodies and kept the old ones because they deliver nicer looking images.  And then added bodies from the competition because they provide even better raw files.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: D7000 replacement in April...
« on: February 04, 2013, 09:33:23 PM »
I have  tested all nikons zoom around 70-200 including the new 70-200/4 , no one can  match my 70-200/2,8 is mk2

We should start a new thread on this because I've been getting more disappointed with overall performance of new lenses, especially the zooms.
They can be razor sharp but sometimes they also cause very ugly bokeh in some situations.

Have you had a chance to test any other brand 70-200mm?
I have a Tamron that is also quite sharp but I haven't been using it for closer focus work to see if it also produces ugly bokeh.


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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: D7000 replacement in April...
« on: February 04, 2013, 08:55:22 PM »
Keep in mind, people have been complaining about banding noise in the 5200 when shadows are lifted by around 2 stops. I have not seen any super serious example of it so far, but the D5200 sensor does not seem to really fare any better than Canon sensors (which can usually only withstand about 2 stops shadow lifting). The numerous mentions of banding in the 5200, and the mentions about how similar it is to Canon 5D II banding, make me wonder even more about the objectivity of DXO.

D5200 is showing shadow banding?!?

ARGHHH!  damnit!  :( That'll be seriously disappointing.
I haven't had a chance to research on it yet, was hoping it would be as smooth as the D5100 and D800.
The denser AF system would be handy for some action work.
That doesn't bode well then for higher end Nik DX bodies, not yet announced.

maybe I should buy a couple more tilted D5100s while they're still on the shelf at $400.  FWIW, they're just as good up to a large enough print size.

Addendum:
One area on DxOmark where you might find evidence of low ISO shadow banding is if you look at the full review for a camera\measurements\Full SNR\log display.
E.G.  On the 5D2, low ISOs you see the curve suddenly hook down at the dark end.
This may not be the entire reason or consistent enough to use as a banding guideline because they don't show this hook for the nasty-bandy 7D and show hooks on the 40D, which I have and does not show up any low ISO banding.

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OP, go with your choices.

Get a 5Dc for now, maybe build up a better collection of glass.
Then skip the temptation for a 5d2, it's OK but the 6D has better IQ and possibly better overall AF.

Get a used 6D next year and sell the 5dc for close to what you paid for it.
Best overall dollar value progression and you'll have a really good kit at the end AND along the way.

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EOS Bodies / Re: on the verge of buying, just need some final moral support
« on: February 04, 2013, 08:38:48 PM »
If you can afford it, get the 5D3.  If not, get the 6D and start shooting!

I disagree.
OP states he doesn't need the 5d3's AF abilities,.
6D has a slightly cleaner raw file, more suitable for whatever post-processing they may wish to do.

Go with the 6D.  It's so good I'll likely buy one myself as soon as the price drops down to the $1600 or so level...
Unless Pentax brings out their FF before then because I just bought a big ol' box of gorgeous SMC primes the other day and now I'm ready to go FF on K-mount too!  ;D

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: D7000 replacement in April...
« on: February 04, 2013, 08:23:06 PM »
well let  us hope so, I have lot of L lenses waiting for a camera with 14 stops DR, high resolution  and no pattern noise, banding at lower levels and base iso. IF I could use for example  my 70-200/2,8 IS MK2 on my d800 i would be very happy  in this time of waiting for something new from Canon, but I can not. Next step from Sony will be stacked sensors with a large/huge fill factor because the electronics will be placed under the silicon surface in a own layer.

+1

and, FWIW, the new Nikon 70-200 f/4 VR can also create some hideously bad bokeh, just like the Canon.
Darn thing ruined a few shots for me this weekend with its mutiple-contoured bokeh of background structures.   :-\
Of these 2, I'd still prefer the Canon if I could attach it to my D800, it's just sharper.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D4x rumors,
« on: February 04, 2013, 08:15:50 PM »
It doesn't make sense for Nikon to spend millions of dollars to develop their own 36 mp sensor just for a low volume body.  Particularly not when they can slip in the 36mp sensor from Sony.  All the Camera makers are struggling, and money is tight.  I'd give a chief engineer a quick trip to the unemployment line if he suggested something like this without a very good reason (ROI).  However, Nikon is doing some strange things and paying for it in slow sales and reduced profits.

BRAGGING RIGHTS is a good enough reason.

Looking at the performance of those little pixels in the D5200 it's viable to put up to 54MP into a new FF machine.
Getting all that data off the sensor at an acceptable speed, processing and writing it to a FLASH-CARD-BASED RAID-LIKE ARRAY (my public technology disclosure, all future patents are now void) would be a bit more of a challenge.
But they COULD do it.  And that would leave Canon wondering WTH just happened - again.

And just to add some extra flavor, what do we thing Pentax will offer in their FF body, already being tested?...  24MP enough for now, most likely as a conservative foray?..

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: New 6D and M42 lenses capability.
« on: February 04, 2013, 08:05:53 PM »
Those of us who enjoy using some of the old lenses are few and far between, but I figured that this would be helpful to those who are interested, however.

I recently had the chance to shoot an old Zeiss M42 lens attached to one of my old Rebels.
The low contrast of this particular lenses added a nice bit of extra atmosphere to an already surreal scene.
I'll be keeping the M42 adapter and adding a few of these interesting old gems to my collection of goodies just for fun.

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here's an interesting story.
Instead of the color filters used on typical Bayer or other patterned image sensors, this is a color-splitting method based on diffraction within the sensor surface.
This could utilize significantly more incoming light to create electrons for readout signal.
Overall increase in effective QE and SNR possible.

IMO, This may be a method better suited to tiny pixels in small sensors rather than larger sensors and larger pixels in higher end cameras. Either way, an interesting and promising development.

http://photorumors.com/2013/02/04/panasonic-to-double-sensors-sensitivity-with-unique-micro-color-splitters/#more-38804

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Just saw this on some other sites tonite.
They've been making lots of wide zooms but i haven't seen a new medium long since I can't remember when.

http://photorumors.com/2013/01/28/new-tokina-at-x-70-200mm-f4-pro-fx-vcm-s-and-at-x-12-28-f4-pro-dx-lenses/

Nothing on Tokina's site yet.

Looking fwd to test results.
Canon's and Nikon's offerings are already pretty good but there's still some room for improvement.

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PowerShot / Re: New PowerShots for CP+, no DSLRs.
« on: January 28, 2013, 10:56:00 PM »
Canon is really stupid they should lunch the 7D mk2 before Nikon lunches the D400.
we'd LIKE a 7d2 now
but whoever blinks first and intro's their product lets their competitor have an opportunity to release something better which will affect them for the next few years.
I suspect Nikon will have to play their card first.  The D400 is grossly overdue but if it is as relatively good as the D800 was they won't have much to worry about until the next update in a few years.

They better hurry up though, because otherwise Nikon's going to pull ahead in the consumer market w/ the D5200.  No matter how true the "Megapixel Myth" may be, the majority of casual consumers who want to just step into a Rebel or x0D+, model is going to think the Nikon is 33.33333333333333333% better for the same $$$ w/ 24MP.

That's also true, timing is likely more competitive in the prosumer market than consumer market where new products are introduced much more quickly.
D5200 is no workhorse from what I can tell but it already has IQ that blows away anything Canon's released yet in the crop sensor arena.  Gives FF a good run too.
So in this case, those 33% more MP do equate to more imaging power.  Not that the vast majority of users will ever notice with how they use their images.

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Canon General / Re: Why did you choose Canon?
« on: January 28, 2013, 02:29:00 AM »
Geez aglet. Why u no shoot all nikon already?

Because I still like Canon for some stuff and I'm starting to like Pentax more too. :)
Not so crazy about most Pentax glass but there's Tamron, Sigma and others to fill in the holes.

And some sweet piece of Fuji's caught my eye and is flirting with my wallet.  I'll be coy with that one.

But most of my shots lately are rockin' w nokiN.
Canons get used for more studio or other controlled lighting kinds of work and I'm still experimenting w Pentax.

Have you tried a Pentax?..  Raw file quality of Nikon with a great amount of customization available and a really easy to use user interface that rivals Canon and Panasonic's.  I sort of understand why Pentax users are so enthusiastic about their platform - it's nice to use.  I'm really enjoying playing with it and can see it doing some really good work for me.  Not much to choose from with them but what's there is pretty good.  And they're thinking of a FF body.  That could be very interesting.

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Software & Accessories / Re: Starting to work with RAW. Help?
« on: January 27, 2013, 01:16:07 AM »
Aperture is not my choice at all, used Mac since digitalization/ film scanners etc.
If you have Canon why not test DPP, canons raw program  , free of charge

+1
I tried Aperture, having liked and used Mac OSes and SW since the first Macintosh in the mid 80s.
Aperture did nothing but crash, I couldn't even get started with it!
OUT IT WENT. Won't even consider it now.
Also holding at Mac OS X 10.6.7 or older 10.6.8 as latest 10.6.8 was warped; 10.7 and 10.8 suck harder with every update.
my system is now frozen because it works the way I want it to.  no more updates.

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Canon General / Re: Why did you choose Canon?
« on: January 27, 2013, 01:10:39 AM »
to summarize, I was a Canon fanboy for decades and justifiably so for a while when Canon's DSLRs were leading the performance curves.  When I became more disappointed with newer Canon body performance compared to older Canon bodies and newer competition, I migrated towards the tools that do what I want, how i want.
I like them all!  The good ones at least. :)

the long story

I always like cameras, got started by borrowing my older sister's AE-1 in the 70s and having fun putting interesting shots on her film w-o her permission.
Got my own A-1 2nd-hand in '81, along w a few lenses. Shot for fun, shot weddings (hated it), shot some local fashion and event work.  Didn't have as much fun as a photographer as I thought I might.  Altho as a young man, being around a lot of lovely young ladies parading in strange outfits had some appeal.

Got a real job in my preferred area of technical expertise a few years later and then shot just for fun with the same Canon gear I'd always used.
First digicam I tried was a Canon A20 - the immediacy of the method had me leaving my A-1 on the shelf a lot after that!  The little camera was fun and easy to use so I started pushing its limits. That took about a week. A40, A60, Panasonic FZ20, A610 and a whole lot more I can't remember.  Didn't go DSLR when they came out because I couldn't justify the cost at the time. 

Nikon, Pentax, and others never even entered my mind yet.

Got a used Canon G3 compact somewhere along the way and WOW!  This thing really performed for IQ compared to the PnS types.  Started thinking about DSLR quality...  All my film was past its best before date now.

Friend got a 20D. I was envious but resigned to not buying a DSLR until they had at least 14bits/pixel and that live-view idea was also interesting.

First DSLR was Canon 40D (still have it) and it was AMAZING.  IQ and all the features really got my attention.  What the camera could do in raw reminded me of what I could do with film and paper in a darkroom w-o the smell and hassle.
Some I knew had Nikon before that, was not impressed with the ergonomics or user interface.  Canon DSLR and PnS were all very intuitive to use.
Fun and creativity returned to photography for me.
Went thru a whole mess of Canon Rebels, just kept them mounted on lenses cuz they were so cheap used.

Nikon and Pentax, still not on my radar tho close friend had D300 and loved it.  My 40D was comparable enough in IQ, I was still satisfied, maybe even smug about being a Canon user.

Nikon D70 at work, hated it, really clumsy interface.

5d2 came out, lots of hype.  I bought into it.
Most massively disappointing camera I ever purchased, raw files at base ISO were obviously noisier than my old 40D and even the Rebels.  I was led to believe, and had expected, much better from 5d2.  Fanboys were too busy raving about its virtues to see the flaws I found in the first few hundred shots.  Barely used it.  After 3+ years I sold it for half what I paid, cursed every fantastic scene I shot with it because post-processing was very limited.

Avoided 50D - was obviously too noisy without even trying it. What was happening?!?
60D, liked it, bought 2 of them.  Still have one, main everyday camera.

7D for wildlife with long slow lens, good camera but again, more disappointing low ISO performance. Sold it recently after a few years of light use.  Got some excellent shots with it, loved-hated it.

decided I'd better put my tech expertise to some use and learn more about imaging systems
Discovered Nikon (D90) and later Pentax (K5) were starting to really perform well in low ISO range I like to use.

Tried a D5100 because it was cheap and comparable IQ to D7000 which I didn't like the ergos on.
Astoundingly great IQ!  Bought pile of nikon lenses, new and used.
D800 - sounded very interesting, waited for test results.. I have to have this!  I have 2, love-love them.
Bought more cheap D5100s to use as back-caps on favorite lenses.
Started selling off Canon gear I wasn't using any more.

Bought a couple Pentax bodies... strange-love them!
Considering Olympus (OMD-EM5) as it feels good in hand and performs like 60D or better
Considering Fuji (X20 to start with) because they're niche and pay attention to detail and do things differently.

All my remaining Canon bodies are now older Digic 3 class... they just perform the way I prefer and need.
I'm considering a 6D, and hoping for a low-iso-improved 7D2 to put back on my long glass.

Meanwhile, I'm enjoying Pentax more the more I use them and, along with the Nikons, I get the kind of high quality raw files for my way of working with images that Canon no longer provides. (6D and 1Dx possibly marginal exceptions)

I'll use whatever is the best tool for the shot I want to take.
I'm no longer a Canon fanboy, just a camera fanboy and I love to shoot with equipment that I know won't disappoint me when I finally get to spend some time rending the raw files to create the final look I'm after without a lot of photoshop work to compensate for shortcomings of the initial image capture, no matter how hard I want to warp that raw file.
This is a great time to be into photography.  Even perfectionists can find something satisfying to use.

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