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Lenses / Re: Lenses that inspire you?
« on: July 21, 2012, 07:37:04 PM »

As Popeye said: "I yam what I yam and that's all what I yam."

No lens ever inspired me.

But one lens, above any other, consistently delivers on my vision.

EF135 f/2L

Hope that helps clear up the pricing issue. If history is any indication the price will be cut in half over the next few years too :)

Newsflash -- you're wrong.

Nothing in your financial/economic mumbo jumbo changes the fact that $3500 USD is too much for what they're calling a 5D3. It's overpriced that way for two market segments:

1. Businesses who can write off the expenditure, even though most of them seem to agree it's too expensive. They can bite that nasty bullet for the business benefits it can provide.

2. Pent-up demand, the folks lusting for years for something better than the 5D2 or a crop body or whatever they used while patiently waiting for the 5D2 successor.

When those segments are satisfied (and Canon pockets the extra cash) the price will reduce, probably closer to the $3K area. Then the rest of us will buy one thinking what a great deal we're getting.

As for your prediction that it will sell for $1750 USD in a few years, I think the time machine you used needs serious adjustment. No new 5D3 will ever retail at that price, I don't care what kind of mumbo jumbo you use to delude yourself.

And by way of disclaimer, my saying the 5D3 is not worth the price is not saying it isn't a great camera. It's just not THAT great!

EOS Bodies / Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« on: July 20, 2012, 04:48:19 PM »
Why so much hate on this camera? From first impressions, it's close to what we've been asking for.

It seems I missed that meeting where "we" decided on what we've been asking for.

In the sub-DSLR world, I've got an S95, and it does all I need. I never asked for anything like this.

What I DID ask for was a $2900 USD 5D3.

Lenses / Re: Help Choosing My Next Lens? :)
« on: July 18, 2012, 12:47:31 PM »

Send me the $2500. I'll send you a lens.

Surprises are such fun!!

Seriously, as Big Brain intimates, if you're just a lens collector, it really doesn't make much difference. One fancy lens is as good as the next. If you're a photographer, you'll choose a lens because it will help you create a particular image that reflects your vision.

Perhaps you want to explore your vision before exploring the lens market.

Sorry to intrude on the fantasy.



Careful you don't fall off the barstool there, Sparky.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« on: July 17, 2012, 05:29:27 PM »

Sorry, not good enough. I won't be satisfied until each pixel is its own individual AF point. And no IR capability either?

And I heard the Nikon version of this camera is 128MP. Canon will still be in last place!

I heard from a Canon sales rep (he asked not to be named, sorry) that the entry level FF was going to be 52mp, usable ISO 50-204,000 expandable to 816,000, 12fps, weather sealed, 20 steps dynamic range, radio wireless pop-up flash, 124 point auto focus, 4 simultaneous Digic 6+ processors, and will accept lenses from all brands.  US$1,599.  It will only be available in bright pink and lavender.  Late September launch.

True story.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« on: July 16, 2012, 01:30:15 PM »
Am I good or what? Exactly what I've been predicting for months now. You can expect the 70D to have pretty much the same specs, with an APS-C sensor.

7DII will be essentially the 5DIII with an APS-C sensor. It's all perfectly logical and predictable.

What's with all the whining? Did you really expect to get all the 5DIII features for half the price? If you think Nikon is better, get a Nikon. That's how the marketplace works.

Personally, I like these specs. Plenty of room to differentiate the 70D and this model from the 7DII and the 5DIII.


Yep, yep, yep. "...perfectly logical and predictable" -- when you understand marketing. The marketplace is their sandbox; you step into it, you use the toys they put there. If you like the toys in the other corner better, so be it -- they'll change their toys if it gets too unbalanced. Good to remember they're the only ones who really know where that tipping point is.

The most fascinating thing for me is Canon seems to have drawn a line, somewhere around $2500 USD. Below that is the real "mass market," so to speak. Above it are businesses (who can write off higher priced items) and the overstuffed wallets with more money than brains. Really makes me wonder where they price the 7D2 when it comes out. Makes me think they won't break the barrier, so somewhere around $2499 USD. I hope we get to see sooner rather than later.

Oh, and as for terminating posts and posters, a word to the you know who. There's a strong Judeo-Christian bias in that neighborhood; something as innocuous as the "F" word will get you terminated here in the gentleman's club.

Site Information / Re: Sticky topics at the top of the front page...
« on: July 15, 2012, 03:46:04 PM »


My guess is that it's being manually "managed" for the illusion of control. For most of the past it appeared to be a simple automatic indexing update.

No matter what, it's not being done well to maintain interest and forum discussions and views.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: How to proceed?
« on: July 14, 2012, 02:08:02 PM »

Given that you say you're doing a lot of street photography and night work, you may want to consider getting the 135L you mentioned. It's stunning, in my experience, on the streets at night. Screw that on, and I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at what your 60D shows you.

Just a thought.

EOS Bodies / Re: How does Canon get input from photographers?
« on: July 13, 2012, 02:03:31 PM »

Market research, which is the fundamental question you've posed, encompasses myriad systems, methods, tactics, etc., most of which have not been mentioned here. Since I have just about zero contact with Canon marketing, I couldn't begin to answer your question specifically. And rather than write up a mini-seminar on marketing research in general and how it might suggest Canon policies, I'd want to know why you want the answer to this question.

I assume the Canon photography division, like any big consumer oriented corporation, has some sort of market research department.  Does anyone know how Canon figures out what their potential customers want?  Do they use surveys, focus groups, round table discussions, lurk on photography forums like this one?  It's a complete mystery to me.

Rather than speculate, perhaps someone here has had enough contact with the Canon marketing people to offer some insight?  If you know the answer, please state how you know.

Portrait / Re: Candid portraits
« on: July 11, 2012, 01:20:05 PM »


I love this guy's look. Take a few pictures of him every time I go to the farm market. This one's better than most because of EF-135mm L.

EOS Bodies / Re: 840 1DX Coming to B&H!!
« on: July 10, 2012, 12:53:07 PM »


Thanks, Clic. I'm impressed by how accommodating and gracious they apparently were.

5D MK III Sample Images / Re: Post Your 4th of July Photos
« on: July 09, 2012, 10:09:43 PM »

some illegal fireworks, right on the streets of East L.A. in the hispanic gangland neighborhoods.. had an encounter and could have had my 5D3/gear stolen. phew! had a tripod with me but shot at ISO 6400 handheld to be more discreet, hiding my camera from shadowy onlooking locals in between shot opportunities. Of course, that didn't quite work out and i was interrogated as to my activities.

What were you doing there? That's an area where parole officers won't even go to pursue parolees at large. I can't imagine how they let you leave with expensive camera equipment!

5D MK III Sample Images / Re: Post Your 4th of July Photos
« on: July 09, 2012, 06:47:17 PM »


Something different. Local fire department stopped the parade for a few minutes to do a memorial remembrance of two firefighters killed fighting a fire on July 4, 2002.

Lenses / Re: What would you do if you were me?
« on: July 09, 2012, 12:16:36 PM »


Couple of thoughts.

You may be constraining yourself with the perceived need for two cameras. Aside from giving one to your sister, I don't see why you really need two for what you say you're doing. Also, your aversion to zooms seems constraining.

Given that you're doing event photography I think you might address AF issues before lenses. The two bodies you have are inadequate for the versatility and quickness you really need in event photography -- which is people-centric (as is street photography). Someone suggested selling all and getting a 5D3. With a 24-70 and 70-200 (probably f/4 IS) that would do everything you need. Another possibility is a 7D -- replacing the T2i with that will solve the AF/speed issue and might allow you to keep the 5D2.

That may take you in a different direction, but I always think it's a good idea to match a body to shooting needs before addressing appropriate lenses.

For what it's worth!

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