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I think it's simply retribution for that old "British Empire" thing.

Once the U.S. Evil Empire fades away, they'll be sticking it to us too!


Wow, that's some definition. I've seen people described as trolls, but never had a precise meaning, and this is amazing. That suggests some people actually have an emotional attachment to photographic equipment? Maybe this gay marriage thing really has gone too far. Someone will marry their camera next?

Oh, and so I'm not a troll...

Again, I don't believe Canon will use the APS-H again in still cameras. I don't think there will be a 70D either.

And now, back to our regularly scheduled programming.

"a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response"

Portrait / Re: Candid portraits
« on: June 15, 2012, 06:43:27 PM »

I LOVE this. Gorgeous picture! Thanks for posting it.

Captured this of our granddaughter just as my husband was wheeling her out of the shadows along a nature trail in the late afternoon. 60D, 300L f/4 IS, Av priority, spot metering, ISO 200, 1/1600, f/5.6
This is a crop of the original.

EOS Bodies / Re: should i wait for 70D? when will it be here by?
« on: June 15, 2012, 06:38:25 PM »
Just a point of curiosity.

Why does anyone think Canon will create a new camera and call it a 70D?

Frankly, I'm bewildered by non-stop talk of a 70D camera. Where did this idea originate? Has there been some credible leak or a well-sourced rumor? Or is it all pure fantasy?

At this point, I leaning toward believing a 1DX may enter the realm of reality. But something called a 70D?

EOS Bodies / No Refurb Cameras?
« on: June 15, 2012, 12:07:46 AM »

I just looked at the Canon Direct site -- refurb cameras are gone. Lenses still there, printers, etc. Links to the EOS cameras page say it no longer exists.

Anyone know what's up?

EOS Bodies / Re: 4 More DSLRs Coming in 2012? [CR2]
« on: June 14, 2012, 01:24:11 PM »

I don't necessarily agree. I usually give Brian's opinion a lot of cred. While he may not have the insider stuff a company exec does, he also doesn't have to shovel any BS at me. Seems like it evens out to me.

Like it is said, opinions are like tailbones -- everyone has one, and some of us show them off more than others.

And for what it's worth, your opinion on the positioning of the 1DX is a whole lot less valuable than any comment from a Canon exec.

EOS Bodies / Re: 4 More DSLRs Coming in 2012? [CR2]
« on: June 12, 2012, 07:02:12 PM »
This is really only two DSLR cameras. Maybe just one.

The mirrorless is not a DSLR. That reduces it to three.

The 1DX will actually be announced/delivered during this period. That reduces it to two.

And given their recent history, if they announce two cameras, they'll probably only be able to deliver one.

This has become a company with irresponsible management. If you went to a Chevrolet dealer and he promised to deliver a new car in three weeks -- you wouldn't wait months without explanation. You'd go get a good lawyer.

So, as always, we'll see what happens. I have unlimited patience, although I don't know if my T2i does. The shutter is starting to sound creaky.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Less talking and more shooting
« on: June 11, 2012, 11:07:46 PM »

“Art is not to be found by touring to Egypt, China, or Peru; if you cannot find it at your own door, you will never find it.”

- Ralph Waldo Emerson

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Film is still hard to beat
« on: June 11, 2012, 11:39:16 AM »
Hi Bob. I didn't know you were on the CR Forum. Glad you are.

For everyone else, this man is an extraordinary photographer -- has more experience and broad understanding of visual technologies and process than most of the rest of us combined. When he has something to say I listen. His work is a delight to experience.

And like most of the pros I know who spent so many years in darkrooms/labs his perspective on the wonders of digital technology are instructive -- none of them would go back to those "dark ages."

Don't mean to embarrass you, Bob. Just speaking the truth!

I am 57years old..I shot commercially for 30 years...product illustration..but always managed to keep my hands in the art side of things. I spent more hours in a darkroom than you have sleeping.  I am just so over is exciting and shows me MANY things that I NEVER saw on film. I do NOTHING on auto...why so many assumptions????  Why talk at me????? know nothing about me other than the opinion I laid down.  Never assume anything.  Here is my flicker page....I am in a dark phase right now.  Maybe you will dig it...maybe you won't ..who cares....I LOVE it!!!!!!!  :-)

EOS Bodies / The Last Flagship DSLRs
« on: June 10, 2012, 05:06:23 PM »
Predictions based on generalized long-term knowledge of the history of technology with neither scientific basis nor specific speculation. Intended only to provoke thought and discussion. If you're response is that I'm an idiot, fine, I'll say that right up front and save you the trouble. So...

1. The Canon EOS 1DX (if it ever becomes reality) is the last 1-Series flagship DSLR Canon will ever make. Like the EOS 1V was/is the last 35mm film SLR from Canon, the 1DS will be the last DSLR. Like the 1V it will be around a long time. Its "obsolesence buffer" will be plenty of room for "upgrading" through software application.

2. A new "flagship" version of the APS-C line will be introduced (e.g. a 7D2), and like the 1DX it will be the final flagship of the APS-C line. It also will be around a long time and see upgrades through software. Given Canon's predilection for super pricing I predict it will be over $2500 U.S. And most people who have a 7D today will buy one! It will seem spectacular.

Meanwhile, Canon will lead a transition to new formats that require far less mechanical apparatus than the tradional SLR. I'll leave speculation about exactly what that may be to others.

The fundamentals of a camera are pretty simple. A lens focuses light on a sensor (chemical using film previously and now a light-sensing semiconductor) and there has to be a means for recording and converting what is sensed into something the human visual apparatus can discern. What we consider a "camera" is a device that enables and manages operator variables between that lens and sensor. Photographic composition drives the decisions that create those variables. Few people buy a camera and just start pressing the shutter button with no concept of a "picture" in mind. That's where need for most of the mechanical and electro-mechanical stuff originates in today's cameras. The operator directs all that electro-mechanical stuff to do different things to fulfill his "vision."

The "mirrorless" design concept has already begun to transform the mechanics inside cameras. I think it will not be long before the flapping mirror and mechanical shutter will be seen as whimsical relics of a primitive age. Since we seem addicted (many of us anyway) to seeing exactly what is seen through the lens (in contrast to rangefinders and today's electronic "viewfinders,") manufacturers may adapt this in new ways. A shutterless camera, for example, might have nothing between the lens and the sensor-- except for maybe a lens cap. When power is turned on, the operator sees exactly what the sensor is seeing (ala today's "live view" projections). I can see this being done through a classic viewfinder and/or using an extremely hi-def display that is part of the camera body as we now have. Pressing the "shutter" would only tell the sensor to save that particular instant. This will likely require different and better sensors than we are using at the moment, and some lens "focus" adaptations may have to be made. I'm guessing most of the fundamental research has already been done, allowing this to be seen as viable options for a camera manufacturer.

I don't know that any of us can predict exactly how this future technology will work, but I do believe it will happen sooner than most us us can imagine. It was less than 15 years ago when I was recording visual images chemically. I could then see that the silicon revolution was going to somehow overwhelm this process just as surely as it was doing with audiotape and videotape and print media, etc., etc. I couldn't
say how, but I knew, sure as shootin', that is was coming.

Perhaps 20 years from now there will be discussions on these kinds of forums about how the old shutter and mirror systems "couldn't be beat" as a recent poster here has posited about film. And ebay may be full of old 1DX cameras for those who want to try their hands at old style picture taking. And, as always, there will be old timers telling newcomers how tough things were in the good old days. "Why, we had to manually clean the dust off our sensors in those days. We didn't have that refractive oxidation process you take for granted today!"

Anyway, that's my sunny Sunday afternoon contribution to the intellectual process here at CR. May the force be with you!

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon EOS-1D X Availability [CR3]
« on: June 09, 2012, 08:47:20 PM »
Can someone please remind me - what was the hold up?

Same old story -- constipation!

Someone needs to get out the old enema bag.


Daft is actually quite fun, Brian. You should give it a go!

Daft though I be, I am rarely wrong.

If you see an APS-H in any Canon camera in the next few years, let me know. I'll come over and treat you to a nice tea biscuit and a few orange slices (California oranges!).

The APS-H is DEAD and in it's grave as far as new products. RIP -- Get over it already.

That has never been stated by Canon - in fact there are hints that the APS-H sized sensor will be used in video.

It is daft to make statements like that unless you have inside info on Canon's technical tactical plans.

I would have said the recent 650D announcement and other rumours would have made it more likely. The APS-H sensor has proven itself at high mps which means that the rumoured non 1 series high mps might well be APS-H as a high mps ff would be more expensive and take the sales away from the 1DX (which isn't going to happen)

A 'inferior' APS-H sensored, small bodied, cheaper but high mps body would slot in nicely between the 5DIII and the 1DX.

I think it is APS-C which will come under pressure as the 'budget' sector puts in APS-C sensors - then the $500 handy cams would start giving images as good as the entry level DSLRs - meaning soccer mums and uncle joes would have no reason to buy DSLRs - in which case the volume entry level collapses taking with it the upgraders as well, just leaving the enthusiasts and a few pros

The APS-H is DEAD and in it's grave as far as new products. RIP -- Get over it already.

Two disagreements with unfocus:

1. I've never heard physiology expressed in economic terms. Perhaps you mean "psychological."

2. Canon is preparing for a 7D2 that will be the APS-C equivalent of the 1DX. Pricing will be in the $2500 to $3000 range. If they can get past the gross irresponsibility of the 1DX delivery failure, the 7D2 is the next big project.

They are going to introduce a 7D2...could also suggest that it may be APS-H...

Reaching out a hand to shake your shoulder and wake you up from the dream...   ::)

Thank God somebody has some sense here.

Canon just produced a major firmware upgrade for their "flagship APS-C format DSLR" (Their words, not mine) and people are imagining that they are going to a) merge this with an inferior model or b) change to a sensor size that they've abandoned.

These aren't mere dreams, they are full-on drug-induced, hallucinogenic fantasies.

The 70D will get the autofocus and most other characteristics of the 7D (except the alloy body). It will go up to about $1,300-$1,400 U.S. Close enough to the T4i to enable retailers to upsale potential customers. (Once a buyer crosses the physiological threshold of $1,000, it's pretty easy to get them to pop for a few hundred dollars more.)

That still leaves lots of room for a 7DII, which will get a new sensor, higher frame rate, enhanced autofocus, enhanced weathersealing and whatever else Canon decides to cram into it (driven by their targeted price point.) Pricing will be anywhere from $1,700 to $2,400 depending on features.

If it's under $2,000, we could see a 7Dx with an integrated grip and full weathersealing. (Professional sports/wildlife camera to replace the APS-H 1D. They can sell the pro-level for anywhere from $2,000 to $3,000 depending on how they target and market it.

Bottom line, Canon has at least $1,000 to $1,500 in headroom between the top Rebel and the flagship APS-C 7DII. That's plenty of room for a 70D and maybe even something else.

This fixation with an arbitrary numbering nomenclature as though it has to follow certain imaginary rules is just weird.

This is funny.

Like a one-armed man arguing how much better a unicycle is than a bicycle.

Great entertainment value.

Lenses / Re: Canon EF 40mm f/2.8 STM Information.
« on: June 07, 2012, 03:12:30 PM »
Wow...a very flat, very light normal prime. Such a lens will make carrying and shooting with my forthcoming 1D X like.....carrying and shooting with a 1D X.  Guess I just don't see the point.  Maybe with the new Rebel...

Don't think of it as a cheap lens, think of it as an expensive body cap that you can take pictures through.

I see. So this is the real solution to the 5D3 "light leak." A see-through body cap! That's Canon for you; always thinking.

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