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EOS Bodies / Re: Adorama is Taking Pre-Orders for EOS 6D
« on: September 16, 2012, 01:40:50 PM »

Was your "agent" driving a Good Humor truck or a Mister Softee truck?

They both come through my neighborhood so I want to know which one to "pre" order my 6D from.

Adorama just sent me a confirmation email for a pre-order of the EOS 6D. The link to the camera does not yet work. But, the description in the invoice says:
ICA6D    Canon EOS-6D Digital SLR Camera Body, 20.2 Megapixels, Full Frame CMOS Sensor    $2099.00
I got wait listed by sending the request to my last Adorama sales agent.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Nikon vs Canon - Honest Poll before photokina.
« on: September 14, 2012, 03:34:17 PM »
Looks like Nikon might have more bodies. Canon seems to prefer European bodies, while Nikon appears to have a preference for Asian. The differences are really pretty marginal and you can get great results with any one or more of them.

I'll have to see what Roger at the rental house has to say about these models. His opinion carries a lot of weight.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« on: September 14, 2012, 02:32:33 PM »
As usual, pretty much agreement.

First, this "rumor" is not a CR anything. It's a report of something from a Web site or sites of unknown credibility. When Craig puts his number on something, then I'll think it's worth talking about.

Essentially, this sounds like my alternative to the high price of the 5D3. As you point out, we know nothing of the sensor. If high ISO is comparable to other Canon FF products, that will be worth a lot. Also, since it's a "new" sensor, perhaps they've done a better job with the low ISO. I still want a sensor that will give me at ISO 100 what I could get reliably with film at ASA 25 or 50. The noise at ISO 100 on a 7D, for instance, reminds me of film at ASA 400. I'm not buying that.

The weak part of this story is the AF. Canon would have to furnish at least a 7D comparable AF with this product. Less than that will not work for me.

As always, I'm standing by. Waiting for facts to show up.

Really? So much over-reaction to rumored specs. Are we going to have to endure the same months and months of endless whining that occurred when the 5DIII was released?

Whatever Canon releases will be comparably spec'd and comparably priced to the 600D. It won't be identical, but comparable enough to compete, which is what this is all about.

As for the rumored specs, people seem to be reading them in the worst possible light. They describe a camera that is weather-sealed, has some magnesium framework (like the 600D), a slightly better autofocus than the 5DII, a slightly better frame rate and the latest processor. It is introduced at a price that is about $600-$700 less than the 5DII was introduced at. Is that so horrible?

We know nothing about the sensor itself, which means we know nothing about the quality of the images. Would opinions change if the camera performs at high ISO somewhere between the 5DII and the 5DIII?

Reminds me of the complaints when the 60D came out. People wanted all the 7D features for $1,000. Now people want the 5DIII features at $2,000.

Lenses / Re: Shooting low light event with 50 1.8II or 15-85
« on: September 14, 2012, 01:58:35 PM »

One other thing...

You probably don't want to wear a zoot suit. They're long out of fashion!

Have fun.

Lenses / Re: Shooting low light event with 50 1.8II or 15-85
« on: September 14, 2012, 01:50:24 PM »
Thanks robby and bvukich. I will try manual and 50mm prime, though I'll miss the 15-85 versatility. I will post some photos for your judgement and critique as it will help me understand my bads and my goods.

Lastly I would like to seek advice on which focusing and metering modes to use. I've seen a tutorial advising to use the AI Servo as it re-focuses during subject motion. Also should I use spot metering when I shoot single dancer and evaluative when shooting a group?   

A few thoughts from my experience with dance.

1. To answer your questions about focus and metering modes, if you're in manual as you've said you're going to try, it's a moot point. The AF and metering only tell the camera what aperture and/or shutter to use. In manual mode, you've done both of those. If you do not use manual, my practice is AV mode selecting the fastest aperture I can manage to get the fastest possible shutter speed. As has already been said, you may also want to doctor up your ISO. The 50mm at f/1.8 will give you a fast shutter speed, but it's not very sharp and the DOF may be too narrow to be effective. I'd try selecting a F/2.8 and see what kind of shutter speeds it gives you -- then adjust ISO, etc. from there.

2. If you're not doing manual, use center point only and whatever that camera's version of AI/Servo is. There's too much going on in dance to fool around with getting other focus points involved. Put the spot on what you want and shoot it. As for metering, I've usually used partial as it's a larger area than spot, but it doesn't bring in a lot of background stuff that can screw up the focus of your picture. But stage lighting is tricky and varies a lot, so experiment. Do a lot of checking with this stuff in the beginning so you can make adjustments as needed.

3. I agree the 50mm is really the only option here, so be prepared to move, if you can. Be prepared to be assertive and get to where you need to be to get your pictures -- those people who are only watching are only watching; let them accommodate you as what you're doing has a higher priority. Oh, and if you can use the flash, probably not a good idea. First, it's new and you never want to experiment when your life is on the line, and second it is really distracting to everyone concerned. I've never shot dance where they even dreamed of allowing flash.

4. The point about "creatively" slowing to use blur to communicate motion is a good one. I would do some of that, but I would also want to pointedly choose focus points that will be well focused. One thing to do in dance is to look for the quiet moments. No matter how fast the movement, there are always points when the motion stops -- anticipate these and be prepared to press that button at that exact second. For example, a dancer may whirl around and stop instantly at some point -- the head will be still at that point while a dress may still be catching up -- be ready for this. You can have a face in perfect focus while communicating motion in the colorful dress material. That kind of contrast gives you a sure winning picture. Also, this is where burst shooting comes in -- you'll maximize your chances of getting just the right shot. That also means you'll need a fast card and lots of storage. When I shoot ballet, 1000 to 2000 images is common for an event.

5. Get there early and size up the shooting situation. Find the best place for you to be with the equipment you're using. You may want to plan on moving just once if moving is difficult. From one pov you may shoot tight faces, torsos, etc. From the other pov get groups.

Fun, huh? Have a great time and get some killer pictures!

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« on: September 14, 2012, 11:12:41 AM »
Excellent example, K. I would add that you need outer focus points that you can rely on. That's what makes the 5D3, 1Dx, etc. so valuable.

I believe most people who do not shoot professionally never go beyond the center focus point. Probably 75% simply take center-focused pictures. Maybe 15% focus and recompose sometimes. Canon surely realizes this, however number of AF points is a magical comparison point the marketers and media use to manipulate buyers.

The amateur can get away with tossing half his pictures due to OOF. If you get one good picture out of 10 while chasing kids around or shooting a car race, that's fine. There's no real cost to pushing the shutter button and later deleting a file. The pro has to make more shots count. Look at all the wedding photographers now swooning over the 5D3 -- so many more keepers, and it's due to AF they never experienced before.

While folks on this forum can claim the AF spec on this possible product is "weak," it's probably all that is needed for the intended buyer. And if they can get the margins right, retailers will move them to this product.

Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but why does one need 60+ autofocus points?  I keep my camera set to the center focus.  Focus, frame.  That's how I learned to operate a camera. Am I doing it wrong?

Perhaps you are doing no wrong for your type of photography... but let me ask you, have you taken portraits with a really fast prime? You cannot use focus/recompose since the DoF is tiny so you need outer focus points to target the eyes ... it is very important for those types of photographers.


I don't smoke anything, never have, but I have seen the same better IQ from my T2i compared to a 7D. The low ISO noise on a 7D is unacceptable to me.

Sure, it's subjective. Sure, it's anecdotal. But ash is not alone in his experience with Canon products. And none of my experience has been influenced by chemistry.

Nope, im shooting fashion week with a 'rebel' t2i- this rebel iq whoops 7d booty. Disclaimer- using the t2i because of image quality, and 7d is being retired, ready for trade in. Noisy POS.

The T2i and 7D use the same CMOS image sensor...but you're claiming the T2i has substantially better IQ?  That's like buying two bottles of Guinness Extra Stout from different liquor stores and claiming one tastes much better...I suppose it's possible - but if so, it's clearly subjective and most likely due to having smoked something first...

I've read some whoppers on this forum, but this is worthy of a "Looniest Ever" award nomination. This is worthy of the advanced economic thinking that created the worldwide banking/financial crisis.

Apparently Henry Ford was right when he said, "Everything is possible." Not "anything," but "everything."

Congratulations on taking us to a new realm.

It must be working. Last Sunday I was walking about, taking pictures as I am wont to do. I came across two little girls on the side of the road with a lemonade stand. They also had available water and candy and a few other sundries; they had learned to diversify. They told me they were trying to "earn enough money to buy french fries." True story.

So, their "manufacturing costs" meant nothing once they had enough cash on hand to head for the Burger King.

You'll have to excuse me now as I'm headed to the bank. I want to apply for a loan so I can start a business making cameras. I want to set up the most best and most expensive manufacturing facility I can imagine -- put a lot of people to work along the way, and then sell the cameras for less than they cost to produce. A sure winning plan, and the bank will surely want to be my partner.

Have a mad hatter day, everyone.

Just a little lesson in manufacturing economics.  The cost of manufacturing has nothing - repeat - nothing to do with the price that any product sells for in the marketplace.

Software & Accessories / Re: Selling Your Wedding Pics Online???
« on: September 12, 2012, 06:50:51 PM »

I didn't see the Smugmug price increase. Damn, I knew I was uploading too many pictures there.

To answer OP, Smugmug is (was?) the answer. They use Bay Photo (my preferred) for printing fulfillment. Bay Photo knows as much about wedding pics as anyone in the business.

EOS Bodies / Re: whats going to be better?
« on: September 12, 2012, 01:53:57 PM »

Needless question.

Basic Internet dogma provides the simple answer:

The product that does NOT exist is always far superior to the product that DOES exist.


I puzzle a bit over the self-interested marketing expert commentators here declaring this an "epic fail" and other such jargon-driven nonsense.

While I'm not putting $3000 into the product myself, I know some established street photographers of high reputation who will if it's fast enough (speaking shutter lag, not AV). I can also see some serious landscapers, cityscapers, seascapers, etc. going for it if the lens will support their needs.

From a marketing standpoint, it's a niche product. At the moment, it's unique and that will carry the experiment perhaps to small profitability. It's going to be interesting to watch. Personally, I may rent one if Roger decides to offer it. Yes, hint.

For those without long memory of the photography equipment world, we have a limitless history of companies throwing something out there to see what will happen. Hell, I've got a Pentax 110-film SLR, for example. This happens less often now that MBA types run most companies by numbers -- but I sure celebrate Sony for putting it out there.

And who knows, maybe they ran their numbers right, and this thing will somehow succeed. I think it's worth cheering.

Lenses / Re: Where is Canon
« on: September 12, 2012, 10:58:18 AM »
All does seem quiet on the Canon front. I'll give you that.

One thought is Apple. For the past few weeks, the media has been nothing but Apple iPhone -- all day every day. Since they're supposed to sell 10 million in the next couple of weeks, I guess such attention is warranted. I believe that commotion climaxes today with their announcement. Canon may have wanted that little tsunami to pass first.

Let's get a good night's sleep and see how things look in the morning.

Other companies are gearing up for Photokina... Pentax and Sony have unleashed a barrage of new stuff ready for next week.  Nikon have their D600...  We have what, some weak rumours....  At this stage I am starting to think Canon won't announce anything (i hope i am wrong)....

EOS Bodies / Re: More Canon EOS 6D Specs Surface [CR1]
« on: September 11, 2012, 09:38:16 PM »
Here we go again... round two of offer me a 5D Mark III with extra features for half the price or I will go to Nikon forever!

Flame on.

After three pages of comments, apparently not. Nothing even close to your stated desires. Sorry.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Shutter Question
« on: September 11, 2012, 04:20:24 PM »

It's all about the megatronic receptors.

If they could engineer the positive luminators to activate on first current, the pinocchio pixelators could bypass the bayer filter. Then the RGB filter arrays would work directly off the incoming photons.

One of these days perhaps! I know those Canon engineers are all over this one.

Obviously, I have no idea. My unknowledgeable guess would have to do with speed of powering up the sensor.

1D X Sample Images / Re: Who is this idiot??
« on: September 11, 2012, 04:02:28 PM »

Isn't there some saying about a 10 gallon hat on a 20 gallon head?

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