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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS-1D X Manual Posted
« on: June 12, 2012, 11:54:55 AM »
Excuse my ignorance but can someone explain in plain english why the camera can't focus at F8.0?
I have a 24-70 2.8L and use F8 all the time... I find it to be the best, sharpest and most natural F-stop for studio work...
Please someone tell me if that is going to affect me or not.  :-\

Cheers

Pat

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS-1D X Manual Posted
« on: June 12, 2012, 11:51:23 AM »
This has been a serious disaster for Canon..PR I mean. I am can CPS member and I am so locked in with tons of Canon lens. Even then I am seriously thinking of switching. I browsed today for D4 ..but couldn't find that one either.

Hold on man! I am feeling the same way but wouldn't jump ship!  :o
Just a few more weeks for total camera bliss!
Can't wait!

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Wanna see video of continuous focusing
« on: June 11, 2012, 08:15:37 AM »
I would like to see a video of the continuous focusing. Coupled to the articulating touch screen and a digic 5 processor, this Camera seems like a winner and a very inexpensive one, in fact.
:)

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You're trying to make it sound like you wrote your initial post to assist everyone, but I'm afraid that your tone made it come across like you were gloating at everyone who can't afford a 1D X...  Rather than act defensive now, I'd suggest that you are a little bit more careful not to cause unnecessary offense in future. 

Horses for courses. I found the OP interesting and value the trouble he went to to overlay the controls of the 5D3 & the 1DX to illustrate his points. It was a well presented description coming out of direct experience.

If it's pushing buttons for you, try sidestepping the emotion for a moment and see that he's offering a personal viewpoint that is 100% valid for him and plenty of others, but just may not mesh with everyone's position.  And that's OK!

PW
Thank you PW. Finally someone sees my point. I spent time putting the "presentation" together. I don't even own a 5D III. It started with my friend complaining the joystick was off too low. I picked it up and instantly felt he was right...
People are getting defensive thinking I am bashing the 5D. I am just complaining that Canon is making design mistakes.

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Doing sports/action based photography, I can't see how anyone could manage to lug around a huge 1-series plus its lens all day without having serious back problems. I gave up the 1DII for the 7D, never looked back... The grip comes in handy sometimes, but usually it just makes the damn thing too big. 

Hmmm, maybe. I guess all those Canon shooters at elite sports events shooting with Mk4 & Mk3 bodies must be missing something. Expect 7D sales to surge.

PW
Right on!

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I don't know about anyone else, but I'm still trying to figure out the POINT of the OP's post here?  Looking for a reaction, what?  I'm lost.
Not looking for a reaction. Just trying to show how even Canon can make mistakes. Ergonomics are as important in a camera as its photographic qualities.

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...I am a professional photographer and I expect something professional...
...it has flaws that I can touch and feel as a professional photographer who, maybe, is used to expecting more...
...I am just sharing my opinion as a 12 year professional...
To seemingly assume - in a camera forum of all places - that you're the only one here who has used a camera in a professional context is incredibly naive.

I've been using Canon EOS bodies continuously since the mid-90s (starting with the EOS 500), and I've never felt like any one of them has had bad ergonomics.  It always take time to adjust to the feel of a new body, but really it's not that difficult (and it's advantageous to be flexible as a professional).  For a creature of habit like yourself, the fact that the 1-series cameras haven't changed much in button placement over the years mean that it's the perfect solution for YOU.  It's all about muscle memory.  But obviously the built-in grip of the 1D cameras is going to be better than the bolt-on type, as I said in my earlier post - not just for ergonomics, but for build quality and weather proofing as well.

I have absolutely no doubt that you will LOVE your 1DX.  I love the 1-series bodies - in fact I could have bought any of the currently available 1Ds instead of the 5D3 - but I'm very satisfied with my decision.  There are just some places you can't go with a giant camera body unless you have a press pass...
I don't have a press pass... I shoot 70% at the studio and 30% outdoors. And 90% of the time I shoot in portrait.
Like I said before, try shooting portrait for 3 hours straight with ANY grip-less camera... Your bent wrist, your arm over the camera, your strained fingers and no support from your body... Come on! Whoever says a grip is not necessary doesn't shoot enough or doesn't want to admit it... Try putting a Canon 600 EX-RT on a grip less camera... There is NO WAY you can hold the weight of the camera without hurting yourself... Even a 70-200 2.8. Hand Held Cameras simply don't have enough support without the grip... And that is a fact...
I am not criticizing the 5D... Like I said before, it's the best camera in the market (until the 1DX comes out, of course ;)) Just pointing out the bad ergonomics of the buttons on the grip, ONLY, on the grip.

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I am not judging the camera, just the grip. The camera is by far the best on the market, for now, but the ergonomics are part of the daily use. If you shot 1000 photos a day, like I do, you would understand. Amateurs won't see it anyway...
My apologies for my sarcasm...

What makes you think an amateur wont see it anyway? Why the put down of the amateur by a pro - the difference between a pro and an amateur is that the amateur does it for fun, the pro for money. Bad ergonomics would stop it being fun.

I shoot mostly in portrait and the ergonomics of the 1D are key to me.

Also, just because a pro gets paid, that doesn't automatically make them good. ;)
Look at my website... I assure you nobody has more fun shooting than I do... And I get paid too...

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I am not judging the camera, just the grip. The camera is by far the best on the market, for now, but the ergonomics are part of the daily use. If you shot 1000 photos a day, like I do, you would understand. Amateurs won't see it anyway...
My apologies for my sarcasm...

What makes you think an amateur wont see it anyway? Why the put down of the amateur by a pro - the difference between a pro and an amateur is that the amateur does it for fun, the pro for money. Bad ergonomics would stop it being fun.

I shoot mostly in portrait and the ergonomics of the 1D are key to me.
I shoot girls only. 90% of the time I shoot portrait. Try shooting portrait with a grip-less camera and you will get  carpal tunnel in 5 minutes. Not to mention, without a grip, the whole weight of the camera is resting on your bent wrist, like a crane. Position of your wrist is very important. A relaxed wrist will let you work better and longer...
The grip gives you more natural support and a better, well, "grip" on the camera...
 ::)

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The original post on this thread is extremely valid - ergonomics is extremely important (why I personally choose Canon over Nikon).

I shoot with the 7D + grip and yesterday I tried a 5D2 without (even though it is slightly wider), the 7D feels more natural to hold, especially with one hand when not in use.

Seeing as new DSLR prices are so high, particularly the new accessories such as the BG-11 grip for the 5D3, why don't canon offer both 'tall' body (integrated grip) and 'regular' body options on all xD cameras? Obviously they could charge a premium, say +$500 for a tall 5D3, over a regular short body. After all, the interior tech is the same, just more magnesium alloy + weather seals. It would also kill off 3rd party 'knock-off' grip vendors.
I thought the same... The brains can stay the same. Just add the extension... I would consider a 5D III as a backup camera if that was the case...
Cheers


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I agree with Smithy.  You've been using the ID for how many years and you say it's better than a camera that you've used for how long?  Oh, that's right "playing with it for a while" and you decided to share your wisdom.  My apologies for my sarcasm.

I am not judging the camera, just the grip. The camera is by far the best on the market, for now, but the ergonomics are part of the daily use. If you shot 1000 photos a day, like I do, you would understand. Amateurs won't see it anyway...
My apologies for my sarcasm...

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I think it's going too far to say that the 5D has "bad ergonomics".  I find it immensely comfortable to use, with the only 'why did they do that' button placement being the playback zoom buttons.  Yes, perhaps the 1Ds have better ergonomics - and I certainly prefer the integrated grip look rather than the 'bolt-on' type - but mostly it seems like you have particular preferences that are determined by the size of your hands or simply habit.
No, I am not going too far. I am a professional photographer and I expect something professional or at least pro-sumer like a 5D to be better...
There is always a pyramid of quality in most products. Be it cameras, electronics, cars, etc...
The 1D's are the flagships. I can't expect a $3500 camera to look and feel as one that costs double but at least, the designers should take the time to position the buttons correctly. It doesn't cost them anything.
There are plenty of design flaws in most products in the market. I am not saying the 5D is a bad camera, just saying it has flaws that I can touch and feel as a professional photographer who, maybe, is used to expecting more...
It seems all of you 5D users fail to see the reality and can't accept the truth.
I rented a 5D III for a whole week without a grip to see if I liked it. I was extremely happy with the quality of the camera... Build, photo quality, noise levels, focusing speed, screen... The best camera in the market so far, but this grip is just not right... It took me 5 seconds to realize there is something wrong with it. 
I am just sharing my opinion as a 12 year professional...
If you guys don't want to see it, it's not my problem cause I will never own a 5D III...
Cheers

P

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Ergonomics... Why you pay more for a 1D...
« on: June 08, 2012, 10:49:06 AM »
My very first Canon was a 10D with a grip in 2002... But I've been using exclusively 1D's since 2003.
And I couldn't go back to anything less...
My friend has a 5D. I love the quality but found the camera to be too small without a grip. He just received the BG-11E grip. After playing with it for a while I found the position of the buttons to be too uncomfortable and the ergonomics badly designed.
At first, you notice how flat the bottom of the grip is, it doesn't hug your hand, it is rough. The AF ON, * and grid buttons are too high and the joystick is too low. Keeping your index finger on the shutter and moving the joystick is very uncomfortable, the joystick is too low and you need to spread your fingers too much, therefore losing grip on the camera... Very bad.
Using the camera on landscape mode, you realize the vertical version is totally off. In landscape, your thumb rests properly on a rubberized groove and the joystick is in the right position. The joystick is 1/2" inch lower on the grip compared to the camera. Meaning you have to "search" for it with your thumb to find it. It seems like a problem getting used to the different layout while shooting fast and switching from landscape to portrait... My friend is already aggravated and disappointed... I would be too...
Here is a layout comparison between a 1D X and a 5D III... The 5D is red, 1D is green.
Notice the thumb grooves and how low and awkward the  5D joystick is.
People think the 1D's are not worth the extra money... Hey, u get a 5D and get Digic 5, the same FF sensor, u get 4 extra MP, a BG-11E and still pay $3000 less than a 1D X... Well, u get what u pay for... A limited camera with bad ergonomics...  :o
I can't wait for my new 1D X....



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Pricewatch Deals / BG-E11 Badly designed
« on: June 07, 2012, 09:55:07 AM »
My best friend just got the grip. I had time to play with it.
My first impression: very uncomfortable and badly designed.
I own a 1D4. There is no way a grip on a small body can feel like the real thing.
It is too wide and flat in the bottom.  The joystick is place too low on the grip and you have to strain your thumb to adjust focusing positions and you lose grip since it's
Uncomfortable to keep your index finger on the shutter and move the joystick.
If you compare the camera's joystick position, which is perfect, to the grip's, it's
Like 1/2" off. It actually sucks.
It also feels plastic and hard.
The battery compartment is cool though. The opening Looks like a 1D and it comes with a AA Bettery adapter
For emergencies. Not bad.
Luckily I am waiting for the 1D X.

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Lenses / Re: A Brief Hands On: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« on: May 27, 2012, 09:53:29 AM »
Well, even if I was in the market for new zoom,
The price is awfully high...
and... the deal breaker for me... (believe it or not) extending zoom.
That hood will be absolutely useless at 70mm... and my money says that canon will make a specific hood for it at 70mm as well.

The most brilliant design that canon EVER came up with..imo... was the hood/zoom system for the 28-70mm (and later the 24-70)

I try not to be a hater... but canon seems to be making some bonehead decisions this year.
I totally agree!

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