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EOS Bodies / Re: Moving to 6D from 5DII
« on: December 13, 2012, 10:59:37 PM »
Michael,

In the ISO video test can you tell if the noise performance is better because of any default camera setting? The noise does appear better with the 6D compared to the 5DIII but the picture also to me appears softer. Is it possible that the default noise reduction is set higher than the 5dIII?

Or maybe this is a better way to ask the question - can the noise reduction be set on the 5DIII so that image quality is the same as what you show on the 6D?  (Might be a dumb question - I don't mess with video).

Good question. It was set to Standard Noise Reduction on all 4 cameras I tested. (5Dii, 5Diii, Nikon D600, Canon 6D)

I also got the RAW plugins today that allow me to open the 6D RAW files in PS & LR, Im checking out the banding, etc, and it looks like the 6D is about a stop better than the 5Diii. 5Diii starts to fall apart at 6400, 6D is comparable at 12800. Ill redo the test and actually post the files for everyone to look at for themselves so they can judge.

M

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EOS Bodies / Re: Moving to 6D from 5DII
« on: December 13, 2012, 04:53:40 PM »
Ive owned a 5Dii for 4 years and am still keeping it, mainly for diving. I have also been shooting with the 6D for nearly 2 weeks now. There are 3 main differences you are getting with the 6D:

1. Better Central Focus Square
2. Better High ISO Noise
3. Wifi Tethering

Granted there are a few other differences here and there, but in my opinion, and it is only my opinion, these three are the biggest. Is it worth the extra $300?

Ive also posted a video on Youtube showing side by side comparisons of the 5Dii vs 6D with ISO noise in low light:

Canon 6D vs 5DII - Is the 6D worth the extra cost & why? Comparison Tutorial Small | Large


And have focus speed tests on my blog: www.michaelthemaven.com

M

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D vs 5Diii vs 5Dii - Speedlite AF Focus Beam Assist Tests
« on: December 12, 2012, 02:11:30 AM »
I can check both of these. Good insights.

M

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EOS Bodies / 6D vs 5Diii vs 5Dii - Speedlite AF Focus Beam Assist Tests
« on: December 11, 2012, 09:12:42 PM »
Had several requests to measure the focusing speed of the 6D vs 5Diii vs 5Dii using a Speedlite (in this case 600ex) in low light conditions. Its a redo of the other focusing test I did this week, only this time using the red-af assist light.

Target 1 Evenly exposed at 1/60, 2.8 ISO 400, about 20 feet away
Target 2 Underexposed about 7 stops with the same settings, about 4 feet away

I ran each camera through 30 focus locks back and forth.

Interesting results:

Canon 5Dii - 45 seconds
Canon 6D - 52 seconds
Canon 5Diii - 70 seconds

 I should note 2 things: the 6D does very well even without the AF assist beam. The 6D & 5Diii both feel as if there are 2 stages of focus, a larger followed by a smaller step. The 5Dii seems to lack this.

Let me know if you guys have any questions.

MM

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D vs 5Dii - The End of an Era?
« on: December 10, 2012, 02:00:26 AM »
I can test for video sharpness. I need to point out, the 6D has the same compression settings as the 5DIII (All-I, IPB). Image quality does not appear to be identical, the moire on the 5Diii looks significantly cleaner to me, but I will do some different sharpness tests of the 5Diii vs 6D this week for those interested.

M

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D vs 5Dii - The End of an Era?
« on: December 09, 2012, 04:24:09 PM »
Thanks for the feedback guys, I plan on doing much more testing and a separate video for the 5Diii vs 6D for that very reason, those camera pairs need to be compared individually.

The 5Diii is absolutely a better overall camera than the 6D in my opinion, not even close because of the focusing system alone. Still the low light performance of the 6D is impressive. I did a full high ISO test side by side of the 6D with the 5Diii and will post those in my comparison of the two, 6D has an edge only on that, but yes- there is some sharpness loss. Hard to say black and white which is better in that one regard.

Two of you asked about the build of the 6D, to which I can say it feels...best word is probably "dense". It's smaller and lighter, but also very solid. I actually like the feel of it very much. The 5Diii is much wider, and thicker, which isn't a problem for me, Im liking the compact size of the 6D. Haven't banged it around enough to say that its a weak construction, but somewhat feels very denser compared to the 5Dii.

Moire on the 6D was not very impressive. 5Diii is absolutely much better.

I can line up the 5Diii tests this week if you guys are interested.

Thanks for the feedback and please keep the questions coming- Ill test as much as I can fit into a good video.

MM



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EOS Bodies / 6D vs 5Dii - The End of an Era?
« on: December 09, 2012, 03:10:11 AM »
Im going to put this out there simply because I think the writing is on the wall for the 5Dii. At $300 cost difference, is there any major functionality that the 5Dii has over the 6D? I have been asked by at least 2 dozen different people which is the better camera, and after my tests this week, I can't think of a good reason to recommend the 5Dii over the 6D, which is crazy, the 5Dii has been like my right arm for 4 years.

I did some moire tests on the 5Dii vs 6D, they are both pretty bad, but the ISO noise tests were impressive, the 6D even out performed the 5DIII's higher video noise. I posted some of the results here:

Small | Large


I did full range high ISO noise tests on the 5Dii, 5Diii, 6D and Nikon D600. The 6D's is by far the cleanest once you go over 3200. (Below that is harder to tell).

I also took a bunch of High ISO RAW images with all 4 cameras and will be making them available for download next week  on my Blog if you guys want to play with them. (Think RAW noise banding type tests).

Is there anything else you guys want me to test?

MM

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EOS Bodies / 6D's Wifi Drain on Battery (?)
« on: December 07, 2012, 08:11:39 PM »
When I turn my GPS feature on in my 6D, the battery drains very quickly. I can turn the GPS on, set my camera down, come back in an hour and half the battery is gone.

 Are any other 6D owners seeing this?

M

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Plenty of criticisms on semantics but why no alternative suggestions on methodology?

Touched on that, as well...and you've got the perfect set of cameras for it!  Got any ND filters?  Set up a target lit at about 2 EV (lighting like you used for Target 2), then start knocking the light down with ND filters.  Alternatively, light a target with a dim desk lamp, then keep moving the lamp further away from the target.  The idea is to keep the same target, but decrease the light levels.  If possible, get them a stop or two lower than your Target 3, so you're below the rated spec of the 6D (and see how far you can push it...the 5DII seemed to go 1.5 stops lower than it's rated spec, and manage to AF, sort of).

This is actually a pretty good suggestion. I have a couple sets of ND filters and light meter. Doable.

Having all 4 of these cameras is the hard part, putting together and redoing a new test would be simple. Please give me some more ideas and I can put them to another test.

Thanks




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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon 6D wifi/ transfer files to smart phone.
« on: December 07, 2012, 01:33:14 AM »
Its a limit within the app. The pixel dimensions are 1920x1280, which is just a little taller than 1920x1080 (or true HD).

M

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Plenty of criticisms on semantics but why no alternative suggestions on methodology?

Lesson learned.

M

Ps- Jrista- I look forward to seeing your tests.

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I think the thing that may have caused the confusion is that EV is often used interchangeably with "stops". There are countless cameras out there that adjust exposure compensation in EV values relative to the current setting, not the absolute standard EV value. I should have described it as relative stops instead, but though the results were still meaningful. I approached it from the perspective of an experienced wedding photographer who has been frustrated with the single point in low light.

As to your quandary about the 5Diii vs 6D, let me ask you this. What kind of shooting are you primarily going to do?

MM

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Hi Dylan-

  I appreciate you taking the time to do some tests of your own. This is what I wanted to read, other low light focusing tests.

  It's going to be very difficult to notice the difference between the 5Diii and 6D for single focusing type tests, both are going to focus in low light in just over a second. Even when going for 30-50 rounds of focusing, the 6D was only marginally better in the central point. Set up a timer and focus back and forth between 2 high contrast targets 50 times and then you will start to see the differences in speed easier.

As a side note, most of the 5Diii's central, top to bottom, middle row, did very well in low light, where the 6D's other squares failed.

As a whole the 5Diii's focusing systems are the best of the bunch (not even close), but when it comes to low light, yes, it does seem the 6D has the edge in that one central square. Its a true pity Canon didn't have more of an upgrade, but the 6D absolute dominated the 5Dii and D600 on that central point in low light.

M

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I'm always surprised when people put forth results and a conclusion, and then are surprised when others critically evaluate the methods used to generate those results, and weigh the quality of the methods when evaluating the reliability of the results and the strength of the conclusions. 

Something else to think about.

I welcome and appreciate criticism, but how does the discussion of semantics in this test somehow mean that the 6D doesn't focus well in low light?

Some people appreciated the amount of time & energy it took to do this. Some don't. But I do know this:

That center focus square on the 6D is very, very good in low light. Ill grab it before the others for low light situations.

If you cannot walk away from this post/discussion with that very basic, heart of the matter idea, than nothing I can say will matter to you.

No hard feelings either.

Thanks!

MM

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Ive always been surprised to meet highly intelligent individuals who are completely unable to process the most basic of information, simply because they are too smart to understand the heart of the matter.

Something to think about.

Love ya guys!

MM

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