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EOS Bodies / 6D vs 5Dii - The End of an Era?
« on: December 09, 2012, 03:10:11 AM »
Im going to put this out there simply because I think the writing is on the wall for the 5Dii. At $300 cost difference, is there any major functionality that the 5Dii has over the 6D? I have been asked by at least 2 dozen different people which is the better camera, and after my tests this week, I can't think of a good reason to recommend the 5Dii over the 6D, which is crazy, the 5Dii has been like my right arm for 4 years.

I did some moire tests on the 5Dii vs 6D, they are both pretty bad, but the ISO noise tests were impressive, the 6D even out performed the 5DIII's higher video noise. I posted some of the results here:

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I did full range high ISO noise tests on the 5Dii, 5Diii, 6D and Nikon D600. The 6D's is by far the cleanest once you go over 3200. (Below that is harder to tell).

I also took a bunch of High ISO RAW images with all 4 cameras and will be making them available for download next week  on my Blog if you guys want to play with them. (Think RAW noise banding type tests).

Is there anything else you guys want me to test?


EOS Bodies / 6D's Wifi Drain on Battery (?)
« on: December 07, 2012, 08:11:39 PM »
When I turn my GPS feature on in my 6D, the battery drains very quickly. I can turn the GPS on, set my camera down, come back in an hour and half the battery is gone.

 Are any other 6D owners seeing this?


Plenty of criticisms on semantics but why no alternative suggestions on methodology?

Touched on that, as well...and you've got the perfect set of cameras for it!  Got any ND filters?  Set up a target lit at about 2 EV (lighting like you used for Target 2), then start knocking the light down with ND filters.  Alternatively, light a target with a dim desk lamp, then keep moving the lamp further away from the target.  The idea is to keep the same target, but decrease the light levels.  If possible, get them a stop or two lower than your Target 3, so you're below the rated spec of the 6D (and see how far you can push it...the 5DII seemed to go 1.5 stops lower than it's rated spec, and manage to AF, sort of).

This is actually a pretty good suggestion. I have a couple sets of ND filters and light meter. Doable.

Having all 4 of these cameras is the hard part, putting together and redoing a new test would be simple. Please give me some more ideas and I can put them to another test.


EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon 6D wifi/ transfer files to smart phone.
« on: December 07, 2012, 01:33:14 AM »
Its a limit within the app. The pixel dimensions are 1920x1280, which is just a little taller than 1920x1080 (or true HD).


Plenty of criticisms on semantics but why no alternative suggestions on methodology?

Lesson learned.


Ps- Jrista- I look forward to seeing your tests.

I think the thing that may have caused the confusion is that EV is often used interchangeably with "stops". There are countless cameras out there that adjust exposure compensation in EV values relative to the current setting, not the absolute standard EV value. I should have described it as relative stops instead, but though the results were still meaningful. I approached it from the perspective of an experienced wedding photographer who has been frustrated with the single point in low light.

As to your quandary about the 5Diii vs 6D, let me ask you this. What kind of shooting are you primarily going to do?


Hi Dylan-

  I appreciate you taking the time to do some tests of your own. This is what I wanted to read, other low light focusing tests.

  It's going to be very difficult to notice the difference between the 5Diii and 6D for single focusing type tests, both are going to focus in low light in just over a second. Even when going for 30-50 rounds of focusing, the 6D was only marginally better in the central point. Set up a timer and focus back and forth between 2 high contrast targets 50 times and then you will start to see the differences in speed easier.

As a side note, most of the 5Diii's central, top to bottom, middle row, did very well in low light, where the 6D's other squares failed.

As a whole the 5Diii's focusing systems are the best of the bunch (not even close), but when it comes to low light, yes, it does seem the 6D has the edge in that one central square. Its a true pity Canon didn't have more of an upgrade, but the 6D absolute dominated the 5Dii and D600 on that central point in low light.


I'm always surprised when people put forth results and a conclusion, and then are surprised when others critically evaluate the methods used to generate those results, and weigh the quality of the methods when evaluating the reliability of the results and the strength of the conclusions. 

Something else to think about.

I welcome and appreciate criticism, but how does the discussion of semantics in this test somehow mean that the 6D doesn't focus well in low light?

Some people appreciated the amount of time & energy it took to do this. Some don't. But I do know this:

That center focus square on the 6D is very, very good in low light. Ill grab it before the others for low light situations.

If you cannot walk away from this post/discussion with that very basic, heart of the matter idea, than nothing I can say will matter to you.

No hard feelings either.



Ive always been surprised to meet highly intelligent individuals who are completely unable to process the most basic of information, simply because they are too smart to understand the heart of the matter.

Something to think about.

Love ya guys!


I did some more tests today with the Canon 6D, and one question I was most interested in was the low light ability of the Canon 6D's central focusing point.

The summary is this:

Between 0 --> -3EV, the Nikon D600 is about 10-15% faster than all of the Canons.
Between 0 --> -7EV, the Canon 6D is almost twice as fast as the 5Dii, ~20% faster than the 5Diii, and the Nikon D600 couldn't achieve any focus at all in extreme low light without it's AF illuminator.

(Note: Here "0" EV was an even exposure at 1/60, 2.8 ISO 400).

For those of you interested in the methodology and actual testing, as well as the specific results, you will want to check out my blog article on the test http://www.michaelthemaven.com/?postID=2577&canon-6d-vs-5diii-vs-5dii-vs-nikon-d600-low-light-focus-speed-comparison.

I also tested the top center, and far right center focus points.

- While the Canon 6D's other focusing points are not nearly as impressive as the other focusing points on the 5Diii and Nikon D600, the 6D's center point is in fact very, very good in low light.

- The Nikon D600 and 5Dii's Central focus points felt much quicker, and snappy. The 5Dii, actually did very, very well in 0-> -3EV range. The 5Diii's & 6D's feel like there is a 2 step process to the focusing.

- The more I play around with the 6D, the more pleasantly surprised I am with it. (When I initially heard the specs I was seriously underwhelmed).

While I certainly wish there were more cross type focus points on the 6D, I think that with the low light focusing and relatively low ISO noise, the Canon 6D is going to be a very solid performer in low light situations.


EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 6D Wifi Linking with iPhone 5
« on: December 06, 2012, 03:17:38 AM »
Hi Rienzphotoz- Thank you so much for your post and support, I really appreciate it!  I'm so busy with production that I cannot always come into Canon Rumors Forums as much as I would like, but I feel like Im most compatible with users here in terms of levels of interest, questions and knowledge. Ive learned quite a bit from just reading posts. Its one of the only ones I come to for that very reason, but I also like to share what Im learning as well. Nice to meet you! M

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 6D Wifi Linking with iPhone 5
« on: December 05, 2012, 06:38:14 PM »
I love that I can have my camera in my bag and review/rate/delete images on my phone. Maybe not a big deal, but its pretty cool to think I can start working on my workflow without even having my camera in my hands.


EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 6D vs 5D MKII (Focusing?)
« on: December 05, 2012, 04:16:58 PM »
@ Chuck- I am doing some low light focusing testing today and will verify what you are asking. My gut impression is that the 6D seems to be better geared between the higher ISOs (which are also a little "soft") and low light focusing, which as you know will be fantastic for shooting receptions and low light events. Ill post the info as soon as my tests are done, should be later today or tomorrow.

If anyone else wants any comparisons done let me know, I have a 5Dii, 5Diii, & Nikon D600.


EOS Bodies / Canon 6D Wifi Linking with iPhone 5
« on: December 05, 2012, 04:01:30 PM »
Hey guys, yesterday I put together a quick video on how to wirelessly tether your Canon 6D to your iphone (should be the same set up for iPad and similar for Android devices).

I had a few issues getting it set up and getting some of the features to work initially, but once I followed these steps it is painless.

Wireless wifi shooting is super cool and I demo some of the features in the second half.

In review Mode you can-

- Review Images
- Rate Images
- Delete Images
- Email 2.5 MP size images
- Import 2.5MP images to your device (cant seem to get this to work)
- Supposed to be able to video video, but Im only seeing thumbnails now, Im probably doing something wrong.

(You can do all of the above while your camera is in your bag!)

In the Shooting Mode you can:

- Preview Exposure
- Change Exposure Settings (Aperture, Shutter Speed, ISO)
- Preview shooting info
- Focus
- Change Focus location

No video triggering or wireless video shooting...yet.

The app is pretty stripped down but shows some absolutely tremendous potential. I just LOVE this feature.

EOS Remote App | Canon 6D | Wifi Wireless | Set-up & Basic Shooting Small | Large

Ill be posting more reviews & images on my blog this week.


EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 6D vs 5D MKII (Focusing?)
« on: December 04, 2012, 11:15:45 PM »
I now own all three cameras, the 5DIII, 5Dii, and 6D.

The 6D's optical focusing system is significantly better than the 5Dii's, but it the 5DIII is ridiculously good. Even the outer points did very, very well in my first tests. Will try to do some low light testing on the 6D tomorrow.

5DIII > 6D > 5Dii

Let me know if you guys have anything specific you want me to test out!


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