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My conclusion was that Canon cannot really produce a "High-MP" camera (or a decent mirrorless camera) for the very simple reason that the DiG!C processor has hit the wall.

Just once digic5+ is good for at least 180MB/sec (5D3 raws at 6FPS). Given Moore's "law," it would shock me if something like the core logic chip fundamentally precludes higher-resolution cameras.

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   The funny part is that DPReview said that "Nikon’s 800mm F5.6 FL ED VR and 400mm F2.8 FL ED VR lenses earn the 'FL' in their names from the coating of fluorine applied to the lens elements."

Fluorine, fluorite…what's a calcium ion among friends.   Actually, the 'fluorine coating' is a clever bit of marketing-speak…fluorine is a highly toxic element that's gaseous under standard conditions, so the 'fluorine coating' certainly isn't just fluorine.  It's most likely a polymer of fluorine and carbon…but neither Canon nor Nikon want to say they're using fluorocarbons as lens coatings…   :o

Can't say I blame them. Consumers are easily swayed by words and phrases to which they have a predisposition. Note how almost everyone drops the "RP" from "CFRP" because everyone likes Carbon Fiber but nobody likes (Reinforced) Plastic.

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Does anyone know if it's possible to back up personal settings for non 1D-series cameras?

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the thing I find the most funny is that where talking about this because nikon messed up and made 2 bodies that essentially do the same thing and now have to consolidate those 2 into 1 body totally screwing all those who bought either body over....

     

meh, it's not totally screwing anyone over. Everyone who bought the D800 knew what they were getting. Likewise with the D800E. Chances are many of them have netted some spectacular images with them over the past couple years. Nikon releasing a marginally better model doesn't affect anything excepting maybe resale value.

Well, I guess if your used to a company that updates high end stuff too quickly then no, it isn't screwing folks over it's just good training to never buy their new products because it'll just be upgraded within 2 years anyways.

Waiting for the next best thing in the electronics industry is a losing game.

Buy what you need/want/can afford when you need/want/can afford it, and don't worry if x months down the road there is a better version, because that's a near guarantee.

never said we should be "waiting for the next best thing."  This is why I actually like Canon's mindset with gear refreshing.  Put it on a reasonable time table so that by the time the next thing comes around, it fits in nicely with most of our own purchasing cycles.  the 5d3 came out and now it's used and we as users aren't worrying about Canon throwing us for a loop with a 5d3a or something silly like that (like ---if canon said, fixed the DR issue, here's a new 5d3 with more fps greater dynamic range and no banding at base ISO). 

Releasing new gear on a more paced out schedule allows us to do what you said, because we know what we have and we know the replacement will be in 3-4 years - not 2, or even 1.  Like i said, I would be rather frustrated with nikon right now if I were on that side of the fence.  First, wow, have to choose between 2 d800's, then came the flop that was the d4, followed by the d4s (great camera unless you shelled out a ton of $$$$ on the d4

I guess I just put a little responsibility on the consumer. If the D800 offers what you need, get it. If it doesn't, don't get it, or return it. Same goes for the D4. Nikon isn't withdrawing money from your account and then mailing you a camera. Did they make some blunders? Sure.

Can most people afford to refresh bodies every two years? No. So don't get the S. If Nikon waited another year to release the S, would it change anything? Not for previous D800/E owners. On the other hand, if they recognize flaws in their products, and refrain from releasing a ready-to-go replacement, that absolutely screws anyone who will purchase the old version between the time the replacement is ready and the time it is released. Remember, not everyone buys things immediately at market entry.

Anyway, this is silly and tangential, so I'll bow out.

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the thing I find the most funny is that where talking about this because nikon messed up and made 2 bodies that essentially do the same thing and now have to consolidate those 2 into 1 body totally screwing all those who bought either body over....

     

meh, it's not totally screwing anyone over. Everyone who bought the D800 knew what they were getting. Likewise with the D800E. Chances are many of them have netted some spectacular images with them over the past couple years. Nikon releasing a marginally better model doesn't affect anything excepting maybe resale value.

Well, I guess if your used to a company that updates high end stuff too quickly then no, it isn't screwing folks over it's just good training to never buy their new products because it'll just be upgraded within 2 years anyways.

Ok, what of the huge amount of D700 users who wanted a D3 lite replacement?
The D700 was Nikons best performing DSLR in terms of sales by a long long way and far out sold the replacement D800. There was literally half the wedding market selling all their Canon kit and going with Nikon because of that particular camera. When the D800 was released, their only option was to buy a mint S/H D700 or pay nearly double ($4K) for the D4. These buyers genereally need two DSLR bodies...that's $8K!!! There were a lot of really irratated pros and semi pros who no longer had a viable replacement path...they were effectively abandoned by Nikon. The D800 was a fine camera but certainly not a D700 mkII.

Meanwhile back in Canon land, the 5DIII was released keeping all their existing user base happy with a clear and logical replacement plan. Which left a lot of Nikon users pretty green with envy and angry / frustrated with their brand choice. Some even migrated back again. Most pros / semi pros have a three year cycle of camera buying. After which the DSLR is in a pretty shabby state (most nikons have all the rubber falling off by then) and need to be replaced on the reliability factor alone. One of my 5DIII's is up for renewal early next year. If I bought a 1DX, i'd move that camera to a 5 year cycle instead of three.

+100 --- that's what I was talking about!!!!


Sure, maybe Nikon screwed its wedding professional base by not adequately replacing the D700 (the D600 kinda does, but at a significantly higher resolution).

But quickly refreshing the D800 is entirely independent of that lack of market entry. The introduction of the D800S in no way plays into what GMC noted. It isn't a D700 replacement either, and they're still looking at either two D4-level cameras or finding mint D700s.

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the thing I find the most funny is that where talking about this because nikon messed up and made 2 bodies that essentially do the same thing and now have to consolidate those 2 into 1 body totally screwing all those who bought either body over....

     

meh, it's not totally screwing anyone over. Everyone who bought the D800 knew what they were getting. Likewise with the D800E. Chances are many of them have netted some spectacular images with them over the past couple years. Nikon releasing a marginally better model doesn't affect anything excepting maybe resale value.

Well, I guess if your used to a company that updates high end stuff too quickly then no, it isn't screwing folks over it's just good training to never buy their new products because it'll just be upgraded within 2 years anyways.

Waiting for the next best thing in the electronics industry is a losing game.

Buy what you need/want/can afford when you need/want/can afford it, and don't worry if x months down the road there is a better version, because that's a near guarantee.

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the thing I find the most funny is that where talking about this because nikon messed up and made 2 bodies that essentially do the same thing and now have to consolidate those 2 into 1 body totally screwing all those who bought either body over....

     

meh, it's not totally screwing anyone over. Everyone who bought the D800 knew what they were getting. Likewise with the D800E. Chances are many of them have netted some spectacular images with them over the past couple years. Nikon releasing a marginally better model doesn't affect anything excepting maybe resale value.

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I asked, why can not Canon introduce a high mega pixel camera as Nikon and Sony. ... So my question  is, why can not Canon introduce a high megapixel camera year 2014 ?
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Before you asked why they do not, not why they can not. They certainly can produce higher resolution sensors. Whether and when they do are business decisions.

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can anyone explaine why Canon has no high Mp FF camera as Nikon
Brett


Yes, however those who can explain understandeably don't share proprietary information. The rest of us can speculate, as has been done here, as well as many other places.

To finish, I do not agree with the idea that the D800 (or A7r) are niche products; they are not for everyone, and have not been designed as all-round cameras. Nikon has the D600 and Sony the vanilla A7 for that purpose, but that doe not make them niche cameras, simply specialized ones (ask pro fashion and beauty photographers if their Hasselblads are niche cameras).


That's exactly what it makes them. Specialized cameras aimed at a specific subset of the market are niche by definition. They include medium format systems, 1Dx, D4, D800, etc.. There's nothing wrong with serving a niche market, it's just risky from a business perspective.

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Or they decided to do the hard thing (refreshing a large portion of their lens lineup) before doing the relatively easy thing (increasing pixel density in a single body). As has been noted numerous times, both the optics and the electronics net the effective system resolution, hence the 5D3 + lenses resolving better on average than the D800 + lenses.



Sure; but didn't Roger Cicala at lensrentals show that while the Canon 24-70 2.8 L II is a higher-resolution lens than the Tamron equivalent, the Tamron on a Nikon D800 outresolves the Canon on a 5DIII?


I don't know, but I don't doubt it. My point was that if and when canon decides to turn out a higher resolution sensor, their lens lineup will be ready.

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I believe the lack of a high MP camera in Canon's lineup reflects still-developing technology rather than lack of interest in the market.


Or they decided to do the hard thing (refreshing a large portion of their lens lineup) before doing the relatively easy thing (increasing pixel density in a single body). As has been noted numerous times, both the optics and the electronics net the effective system resolution, hence the 5D3 + lenses resolving better on average than the D800 + lenses.

Either way, people would be clamoring. I kinda suspect that if they had instead just crapped out a full frame camera with 7D-sized pixels and people only saw marginal IQ gains (albeit with large, unwieldy files) due to the unavailability of sufficiently good glass, the clamoring would be louder. But you never know.

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EOS-M / Re: Export from camera to USB flash drive
« on: May 21, 2014, 10:37:57 AM »
If you have a cellphone with USB OTG support, it can act as the host. You'd plug the phone, camera and the flash drive into a USB hub, and copy between the two drives using a file manager app on the phone. Note that most phones with OTG still need the peripherals to be powered.

Funny, I've been trying to get this to work for a few weeks now. I have an OTG cable and a device that has USB host mode (HTC One). I can successfully read a memory stick, but when I plug in either of my 5Ds, I can not see them from any file manager. I tried the demo of an app called (I believe) CR2 Thumbnailer, and it would list the camera make and model briefly, but then say "unable to connect."

Any ideas? Is it a settings (PTP) thing?

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More white-tailed kite. Big crop from 200mm on 5D3. Of all the raptors, kites may appear the most menacing.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 70d center focus point -bug- problem
« on: May 16, 2014, 03:51:56 PM »
Roger Cicala: "Why You Can't Optically Test Your Lens With Autofocus"


While Roger is correct, that has zero bearing on this topic.

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