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I am guessing this will be priced to match the $70,000 cinema 50-1000 lens. Or in other words, not for us mere mortals.+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Oooo ooooh a CR2 rumor for the 100-400L MkII. Where have I seen one of those before? Oh, yes...it was way back in October, 2010.Cute
In the meantime, I've missed so many shots like this:
Dilbert I bought some great glass from a gentleman who jumped ship and went to Sony a few years ago ... I may be following him this Canon catch up game is getting old... You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all the people all of the timeWell, the frequency with which Canon customers or potential customers complain about Canon "crippling" or otherwise shortchanging their products is a clear indication that they want more for every dollar. Canon hasn't thus far been willing to respond to all those demands for more/dollar...until they do, your going to keep hearing people complain.
It's become a simple fact that you can often get a LOT more value with other brands than with Canon. That's not to say that Canon doesn't make a good product...but their products are increasingly not providing what their customers demand. Some simply jump to another brand or add another brand to their kit. Others complain. Hopefully Canon will change in 2015 and actually start delivering.
Those are the ones Canon will actually listen to. Canon listens to dollars, no vents :-)
Which is why I'll be spending money on Sony next year and not Canon. Voting with my feet and/or wallet. Had enough of being jerked around by Canon.
Well if you're already waiting for next year anyway, why not afford Canon the chance to show their cards if this CR2 pans out? Ya never know. They won't stay behind forever. I'm not saying it will deliver everything per se, but if you're already heavily invested in Canon glass, why not sit tight on making a decision for something you don't plan to do til next year anyway?
And that's exactly the outcome the planned release of rumors like this aim to achieve. (Which is to say that I don't believe that all rumors are leaked and that a good portion of them are marketing, sometimes even defensive marketing.)
The real point here is I don't need to wait for Canon to show their cards - I know what Canon will do simply by looking at what they've done in the past: the minimum required so that they can entice me into buying the next model with a fuller feature set. I'm sick of being treated like a dumb and ignorant consumer by Canon.
I'm sure that Sony will bring newer models to market in 2015 and that they'll be streets ahead of whatever Canon debuts with. Canon is playing catch up. Why would I want to continue buying into a company that believes that "catch up" is "good enough"?
To answer your question, with another question: Is this rumor enough to stop me from buying Sony? Nope.
I went to the NC State Fair last night to get some photos of the rides and sights. I was able to go alone this year, the rest of the family would rather be going on the rides, rather than stand by the side and wait for one to start moving to get a neat picture. Silly people.Beautiful B&W's
All of the ride shots were made with an old Vivitar 17mm f/3.5 lens on a Canon 5D3.
Anyway, here were some of my favorites:
5D3_5997 by yorgasor, on Flickr
5D3_6035 by yorgasor, on Flickr
5D3_6056 by yorgasor, on Flickr
5D3_6146 by yorgasor, on Flickr
5D3_6201 by yorgasor, on Flickr
5D3_6360 by yorgasor, on Flickr
5D3_6395 by yorgasor, on Flickr
5D3_6464 by yorgasor, on Flickr
Here's a link to the full album:
My plan was to sell the 70-200mm f2.8 IS II, after 200mm f2 IS arrived. Posted it on ebay last night, however, I ended my auction today. Just couldn’t do it guys.I don't blame you!!! The 200 f2??? : You're shooting with class!!! early Christmas present? Congrats!!!
Dam you L lenses
The person holding it.+100000000000000
I do not thing it will be easy to resolve. There are a few issues that will keep this alive until Canon beats all other sensors or joins them. I do not think that Canon will go out of business. They will swallow their pride and put a Sony Sensor in a DSLR before Canon will go bankrupt.+1000000000000000000000000000000000
The above list will be complaining about something until the end of all internet forums.
- Human Nature people hate admitting their wrong.
- Pig headed stubbornness of people that cannot see another point of view.
- The people that are never satisfied no matter how good their gear is.
- Trolls Trolls TROLLS will you stop feeding the TROLLS ALREADY.
I wish that DR did not bleed into other discussion and ruin them. The 7D II discussions for example.
I am pragmatically in the more DR camp. The real issue is the read noise. DR was not something I ever noticed until I bought my Nex6 but the read noise is much more noticeable.
I cannot use my Sony for what I do with my Canon cameras. I cannot use my 6D or 60D for what I do with my Nex6. I am not going to drop all my Canon gear and buy a Nikon the ergonomics are a crime against humanity.
Lets face it a Sony Camera + Meta-bones adapters really means who needs auto focus. Because it is so slow you will be manual focusing most of the time. That is what I like about the Nex6 it forces my to slow down and compose my shot. But that is not for everyone.
$3000?!?!?!?!? That's triple what overpriced Nikon charges for its popular 12-24 f/4!!!!!!!!!!+10000000000000000000000000000
Auch, that is a steep price. I allready thought my 8-15mm was expensive.+1000000000000000000 Ditto
I don't consider you part of the group that's been running around insulting anyone they decide to label as a DRone.+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Personally, I would LIKE certain people to ignore me. I think it would be best if they ignored a bunch of people on these forums. I truly believe if they do, the DR wars would pretty much end. I doubt it would completely end the little bickering about DR in general, but what we've had the last couple of months has been really nasty compared to how it was the prior year...about as nasty as it got when Mikael was still here. So yes, I really would prefer that certain people use the forum feature to ignore me. This has nothing to do with having a reasoned debate, it has nothing to do with whether people have intelligent things to say or not...it has everything to do with attitude. Certain people have just decided that they have the right to belittle and degrade and insult anyone they wish as part of their attempt to control the topics of discussion on these forums. If they would stop insulting people, and actually have a reasoned debate, or simply bow out if they can't be reasonable...then I agree, there is no reason to ignore anyone. If they could stop insulting people, I think it's possible to have a REASONABLE DISCUSSION about sensor technology in general, and how it can and does benefit IQ. Not just DR, but more than that. I can't have a discussion like that. No one can. Because of a handful of individuals on this forum who simply won't let us.
To be clear. I'm not offended because someone doesn't believe the same thing I do. I'm offended because of the offensive things being said on these forums day in and day out by people on one side of the argument. I'm offended because I'm not being allowed to discuss something that matters to me without being harassed about it...not even in a thread I created myself dedicated to the subject. I could care less if people agree with me in the end. Maybe I care a bit that people actually listen to what I say, and not dismiss it out of hand...but if they disagree in the end, fine! I do care that people be civil about it. I'm an intense debater, I like to provide the math and science to back up my claims, and I argue hard for my point of view...but I generally try to avoid insulting people.
I myself am not on one side here as far as brand and gear goes, either, I'm just painted (again, by a handful of individuals) as being that way. I've said on countless occasions that I like my Canon equipment for my action (bird and wildlife) photography. I've been pretty explicit about not liking it for landscapes or anything else that can use more DR. This fact is handily ignored by the people who have labeled me a DRone. My opinion changed a few months ago after I couldn't deny the rather poor performance of my new 5D III when it comes to read noise when I started trying to do landscapes again....then I started messing a lot more with D800 and A7r raw files, and the differences, to me, are quite huge. I think this is a big area where Canon really needs to improve. I'd PREFER to have Canon cameras...I'm STUCK looking elsewhere because Canon keeps ignoring the issue. (And it's really been going on since before the D800...that was just the clearest example on it's release of where sensor technology was going...the Pentax K-5 and Nikon D7000 actually had Exmor sensors some time before the D800.)
I simply want the freedom to discuss the things that matter to me without the harassment...without the insults and derogatory statements and constant spite. I want others to be able to discuss it as well. I don't agree 100% with some of the hard core DR guys on these forums either. I agree that Exmor has better DR, and now I agree that the improvements in DR with Exmor-based cameras is much larger than I used to think...but I don't agree with everything many of the long-term DR guys on these forums say. Some seems to insist that Canon cameras just suck in all areas, or at the very least, are not top-notch in many areas where I think they are top-notch (i.e. AF/tracking, lenses, etc.) I have a fairly middle-ground opinion, but I'm painted as being a beyond-extreme hyper-wacko DRone nutcase...and that really ticks me off. So yeah...I really wish certain people (and no, I don't mean you...it's a small handful of specific individuals) would just IGNORE me, and be done with it.
I hope they pull a big surprise. 7D2 will have no measurable effect on a 5D3, let alone a 5D4. I don't understand why people keep trying to compare the two as competing bodies. They are not, nor will ever be. Not in price and not in use.+100000000000000000000000000000
I think Canon needs to make a statement before 2015. We have the sensors out there. Even if from Sony. I'd love to see a Sony sensor in a Canon system. Talk about the best of everything!
I disagree with you on this point.
Those looking only for one camera, namely a 7D2, are not the target market for a 5D4. One is 2x the price of the other. However, those dropping 3600 for a 5D4 can also afford the 1800 for a 7D2. Also, they are two totally different formats/tools (crop&speed vs. full-frame&sensitivity). The extra reach of crop, vs. the creative capabilities of full-frame are huge factors to many pro buyers that cannot be ignored; saying it is just speed vs. slightly better IQ is an oversimplification of what the two bodies offer.
In short, the 7D2 won't effect sales of a 5D4. Buyers on a budget looking for one camera will get a 7D2. Pros with the budget for a 5D4 will either get only a 5D4, or both a 5D4 and a 7D2. They are a dangerous (ie, perfect) pairing.
The 5D and 7D are two whole different markets apple and oranges....But when?Not spring. Canon has to milk buyers with the 7D2 for a year or so. If they released 5D4 with 7D2's AF feature in spring (5 months after 7D2 got released (not introduced)), who would buy the 7D2, if the 5D4 offers same or even tweaked AF with slightly lower frame, but better IQ?
I'm mostly curious about the 5D replacement. Spring or not?
I find it strange they haven't introduced a new rebel yet. It's been 18 months now.