Auch, that is a steep price. I allready thought my 8-15mm was expensive.+1000000000000000000 Ditto
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Auch, that is a steep price. I allready thought my 8-15mm was expensive.+1000000000000000000 Ditto
I don't consider you part of the group that's been running around insulting anyone they decide to label as a DRone.+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Personally, I would LIKE certain people to ignore me. I think it would be best if they ignored a bunch of people on these forums. I truly believe if they do, the DR wars would pretty much end. I doubt it would completely end the little bickering about DR in general, but what we've had the last couple of months has been really nasty compared to how it was the prior year...about as nasty as it got when Mikael was still here. So yes, I really would prefer that certain people use the forum feature to ignore me. This has nothing to do with having a reasoned debate, it has nothing to do with whether people have intelligent things to say or not...it has everything to do with attitude. Certain people have just decided that they have the right to belittle and degrade and insult anyone they wish as part of their attempt to control the topics of discussion on these forums. If they would stop insulting people, and actually have a reasoned debate, or simply bow out if they can't be reasonable...then I agree, there is no reason to ignore anyone. If they could stop insulting people, I think it's possible to have a REASONABLE DISCUSSION about sensor technology in general, and how it can and does benefit IQ. Not just DR, but more than that. I can't have a discussion like that. No one can. Because of a handful of individuals on this forum who simply won't let us.
To be clear. I'm not offended because someone doesn't believe the same thing I do. I'm offended because of the offensive things being said on these forums day in and day out by people on one side of the argument. I'm offended because I'm not being allowed to discuss something that matters to me without being harassed about it...not even in a thread I created myself dedicated to the subject. I could care less if people agree with me in the end. Maybe I care a bit that people actually listen to what I say, and not dismiss it out of hand...but if they disagree in the end, fine! I do care that people be civil about it. I'm an intense debater, I like to provide the math and science to back up my claims, and I argue hard for my point of view...but I generally try to avoid insulting people.
I myself am not on one side here as far as brand and gear goes, either, I'm just painted (again, by a handful of individuals) as being that way. I've said on countless occasions that I like my Canon equipment for my action (bird and wildlife) photography. I've been pretty explicit about not liking it for landscapes or anything else that can use more DR. This fact is handily ignored by the people who have labeled me a DRone. My opinion changed a few months ago after I couldn't deny the rather poor performance of my new 5D III when it comes to read noise when I started trying to do landscapes again....then I started messing a lot more with D800 and A7r raw files, and the differences, to me, are quite huge. I think this is a big area where Canon really needs to improve. I'd PREFER to have Canon cameras...I'm STUCK looking elsewhere because Canon keeps ignoring the issue. (And it's really been going on since before the D800...that was just the clearest example on it's release of where sensor technology was going...the Pentax K-5 and Nikon D7000 actually had Exmor sensors some time before the D800.)
I simply want the freedom to discuss the things that matter to me without the harassment...without the insults and derogatory statements and constant spite. I want others to be able to discuss it as well. I don't agree 100% with some of the hard core DR guys on these forums either. I agree that Exmor has better DR, and now I agree that the improvements in DR with Exmor-based cameras is much larger than I used to think...but I don't agree with everything many of the long-term DR guys on these forums say. Some seems to insist that Canon cameras just suck in all areas, or at the very least, are not top-notch in many areas where I think they are top-notch (i.e. AF/tracking, lenses, etc.) I have a fairly middle-ground opinion, but I'm painted as being a beyond-extreme hyper-wacko DRone nutcase...and that really ticks me off. So yeah...I really wish certain people (and no, I don't mean you...it's a small handful of specific individuals) would just IGNORE me, and be done with it.
I hope they pull a big surprise. 7D2 will have no measurable effect on a 5D3, let alone a 5D4. I don't understand why people keep trying to compare the two as competing bodies. They are not, nor will ever be. Not in price and not in use.+100000000000000000000000000000
I think Canon needs to make a statement before 2015. We have the sensors out there. Even if from Sony. I'd love to see a Sony sensor in a Canon system. Talk about the best of everything!
I disagree with you on this point.
Those looking only for one camera, namely a 7D2, are not the target market for a 5D4. One is 2x the price of the other. However, those dropping 3600 for a 5D4 can also afford the 1800 for a 7D2. Also, they are two totally different formats/tools (crop&speed vs. full-frame&sensitivity). The extra reach of crop, vs. the creative capabilities of full-frame are huge factors to many pro buyers that cannot be ignored; saying it is just speed vs. slightly better IQ is an oversimplification of what the two bodies offer.
In short, the 7D2 won't effect sales of a 5D4. Buyers on a budget looking for one camera will get a 7D2. Pros with the budget for a 5D4 will either get only a 5D4, or both a 5D4 and a 7D2. They are a dangerous (ie, perfect) pairing.
The 5D and 7D are two whole different markets apple and oranges....But when?Not spring. Canon has to milk buyers with the 7D2 for a year or so. If they released 5D4 with 7D2's AF feature in spring (5 months after 7D2 got released (not introduced)), who would buy the 7D2, if the 5D4 offers same or even tweaked AF with slightly lower frame, but better IQ?
I'm mostly curious about the 5D replacement. Spring or not?
I find it strange they haven't introduced a new rebel yet. It's been 18 months now.
The reason I ask the question. Before digital, the various manufacturers made their respective bodies and lenses while the film was made by someone totally unrelated to their company. The things that set one camera manufacturer apart from another was the build quality of their bodies, ie: ruggedness, sophistication and their lens construction, ie: build quality, optical quality.+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
They all used the same "imaging device" if you will. It was called film. It could be made by one of several different manufacturers, Kodak, Agfa, Fuji, Ilford, etc., all with their own image characteristics. One film stock could be used to compare the quality of one lens vs another. One body vs another.
So why is it important that Canon even make its own imaging sensor? Nikon tried then decided not to. They gave up on the the sensor race. They didn't have the size company with the deep pockets Canon had. Now, Canon should just buy them from Sony like Nikon and let the sensor wars become the body and lens wars again. I don't think Canon has the deep pockets or research capabilities Sony has for the long haul.
On paper the spec's look really impressive, if it ends up being as good as it looks I imagine it may take a few sales away from the 1DX. You could purchase 2 (1 for back up) and a very nice piece of glass for the amount of the 1DX. I know the 1DX has some more features and better weather sealing but I don't think that will matter to a lot of potential buyers; will be interesting to see what happens.The 1DX and the 7dII are two whole different markets but I'm not taking anything away from the 7DII because it will attract more budget minded shooters. The jury is out on the high ISO results.
The 40mm pancake turned out to be quite popular so maybe this 24mm one will too .... but wait EF-S? Now that just seems a little bit silly to me. Why restrict it to crop only? And without IS? This thing had better be under $100 because otherwise why would anyone need this? The kit lens does f/3.5 IS at 24mm, right? And if you want a quality 24mm prime there's the ~ $500 EF 24mm f/2.8 IS (which is pretty small already IMO).+10000000000000000000000000
The 24-105 could be a cheaper FF option. Some people were banging on about that here so I guess there might be a demand but seriously? So you fork out $1600 on a FF 6D right? Assuming you went body only. And then you go an pair it with, what I assume will be, a cheap kit lens with compromised IQ? Why? Why not just stick with a rebel and a 18-55 kit lens if you're a cheapo? Having a FF camera means you give a s___ about IQ. This rumor makes no sense.
And a 400mm DO version 2? because the the original was so popular right?? Right?
Where is the 100-400 replacement and where is our 50mm IS?
I have a feeling the next rumor will say "Sorry no 7D replacement, just a white powershot with instagram built in".
There are no stupid questionsDitto +10000000000000000000000
Most folks in general do not understand the relationship of sensor size, pixel density, and pixel size. For many, the picture they take on their phone looks great on that little 4 inch screen. Put it on an 8 by 10 print and it doesn't so much anymore.
Most folks who own good DSLRs are shooting crop sensors (APS-C). Those sensors are already 500 times bigger than an iPhone. Full frame is simply twice as big as that. Mr. Haines nailed it for you.
But again there are never stupid questions when you're trying to learn!
+10000000000000000000000000While very cool, I'm satisfied with the 16-35 f/4L already. Too late sigma.
The 16-35mm IS is excellent in a sea of wide angle zooms that are mediocre, with the Nikon 14-24mm, and 16-35mm VR being one of the few other good ones.
The thing is Sigma's 14-24mm might be even sharper than Canon's version and wider. That would be a killer lens. There's lots of room to improve quality in this segment. The 14-24mm could blow Canon out of the water, or just be slightly better in every way like the 24-105mm (though lacking weather sealing, and being much larger as the down side)
I'm very curious to see what the 24mm 1.4 is like, every major brand has tried to get the 24mm prime right, and most don't perform well above f/2.0.
I'm very hopeful of some serious improvements with these lenses.
I too am skeptical about a zoom as wide as 11mm. I hope they don't sacrifice too much IQ for it.+10000000000000000
My ideal UWA is a 14-30mm f/2.8. I'd gladly give up 5mm on the long end for 2mm on the wide in regards to the current 16-35mm. And despite the number of people here who don't think f/2.8 is necessary, it comes in very hand for wedding receptions and night photography.