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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon 5D Mark III vs Nikon D800
« on: April 05, 2012, 09:42:53 AM »
Asking whats the point of 36mp is kinda absurd;

So u're saying that If they can provide great high iso performance when downsized to their main competitor size AND still retain greater detail & DR  fullsized at anything below 1600 -plus- offering them 500$ cheaper doesnt make sense. Seriously?

Actually thats whats wrong with DPR forums, its not the nikon trolls & the pissed Canon users, its the thickheaded cheerleaders that are pathetic...

Ah, I knew a topic like this would attract more replies from Nikon fans than Canon, just like what happens in the Canon forum at DPR, which has now become unusable because more Nikon fanboys post on the Canon forums than Canon owners :D. I'm especially wary of member #s here higher than my own (read: recent registrants :P).

First of all, what is the point of 36MP if you have to downsize it to 22MP to get so-called "equivalent" high ISO noise IQ? This is why even DPR, rightly or wrongly, tests 100% crops from different MP cameras at its native resolution, and if you ask DPR they say that this is because "they don't do printer tests" (IOW, for them, it is silly to normalize to a common output). Most ironically, they actually now do printer tests :D. And thus, as early as now, I would say that the eventual DPR review would also show the same result as that on the article cited in the 1st post of this thread.

So again, those justifying the argument that "it's equivalent when downsized" should be called out, because then what about that other ability those other defenders claim 36MP allows them to do: crop and resize. Really, all their shots need to be downsized and cropped after* it has been downsized to 22MP to make it look good against its closest perceived competitor? I find that funny as a Nikon owner.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon marketing may be working overtime soon
« on: March 24, 2012, 10:23:55 AM »
well internet forums are only a small part of the "reality".
they are full of trolls, fanboys and wannabes.

a great deal of complains you see about the 5D MK3 comes from people who would/could not afford it anyway (same is of course true for the D800).

it´s like apple vs. microsoft.
if you believe the trolls neither of these companys make products that are good enough to make some money.

obviously these trolls are wrong.

what counts for canon and nikon are fiscal results.

My personal view is that opinion should be judged by its merits not by the person's expressing it. I dont care if you have a couple of phase1s lying around or a 350d, if your opinion is sound then thats all i need.

what counts for canon and nikon are fiscal results
Yes and this fuzz about the new releases will have repercussions to the fiscal results. If you see 5dmk3 dropping 300-500$ in less than a semester what would you think? That its Canon's good soul or that apparently many people stayed away (and a good percentage of them cause of the racket in forums like this)?

EOS Bodies / Re: Dpreview first impressions of the D800
« on: March 23, 2012, 11:23:30 AM »
I think a lot of people are simply buying the 36MP of the D800.  Canon is to blame in part for this for telling everyone more MP is better for the past few years!   ;)

My local store has become a Nikon fanboy so I dont rely on them anymore for advice.  I think the 5DmkIII will be great when the dust settle.

36mp isnt the whole picture im afraid, results are out @dxomark: http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Publications/DxOMark-Reviews/Nikon-D800-Review/Sensor-performance

D800 sensor is the new benchmark

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: D800 just took DXO Mark top spot...
« on: March 23, 2012, 11:16:56 AM »
Dxomark is getting hammered

Considering that it refers to a 36mp sensor the results are just insane. Congrats to the engineering team behind it.

EOS Bodies / Re: Dpreview first impressions of the D800
« on: March 23, 2012, 08:49:44 AM »
mmmkay... i'll give you another reason, the carton box of the nikon isn't as nice as the Canon one, and the font they use? ugly as hell!

Sorry OP but i seriously doubt your story

EOS Bodies / Re: Got it last night
« on: March 18, 2012, 06:19:00 PM »

EOS Bodies / Re: Any idea on how this was done...
« on: March 17, 2012, 05:34:01 PM »
He linked to the source, and its on a platform that by default allows sharing of content.
Plus with all the recent releases there was a flood of images and diagrams in the forum though i didnt notice you asking if they had permission, how's that?

I did recognize the items in 2 and 5 so that made it easier to guess.

How dare you be so well informed  :)

Images 2, 5, and 7 are from the Phase One. They are stunningly good images and beautifully lit, although I still find it odd that GM used such insanely expensive gear. I suppose that's the luxury you have when you're a multi-billion dollar corporation backed by taxpayer dollars :o The largest images like these are ever run in print are 4.5x3, and usually more like 3x2. As such, they are scaled to 10x8 at 300 dpi on GM's media site, so they're essentially throwing all the pixels away.

I think that much of the differences between the G7 and Phase One images are due to superior lighting techniques used in the MF images. I'd venture to say if the corporate hot shot photog shot used my G7 and I used the Phase One, the GM images might still look better.

If you havent mentioned that they're actual photos, 2 5 & 7 do look like engineering renders, rendered by an intern at that! That superior lightning technique you're referring to, is actually the default look of any GI render engine

Just my opinion but I believe very few people will actually switch camera makers, the majority who don't like the 5diii will just hold onto the current camera and see what is offered next. Whether that is a 3d, 5dmiiih, 7dmii there will be a next camera.
Maybe.., but there will be people buying into nikon without leaving Canon.
As justsomedude, I'm leaning also towards buying D800 after a month or so (basically after the reviews). And actually I'm excited about giving D800 a shot. As i was excited in the past about 5dm2, 1dsII, 5d, 40d, 5, 10 and 650!

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« on: March 15, 2012, 06:56:12 PM »
hey the 40d is The classic out of the whole xxd series!

Well class leading AF, 100% VF, accelerometers, higher sensitive sensors for ISO, digic 5+, 6FPS, in camera HDR, more robust body and weather sealing, faster response times, 2 cards, no sony to shovel extra money into R&D, this doesn't come for free...  Let alone damage to facilities, possible insurance claims and or negative effects thereof... all that gets passed on to the consumer in some way shape or form... Sucks but the improvements puts this camera in a whole new class of camera compared to the 5d2.
Your inability to see the discrepancy between price/product and 4yrs R&D/product just amazes me.

ps. Claiming the Thailand event is counterproductive, the competition had even bigger damages

I hope there aren't that many people around who are bound to buy any body that Canon releases. The only way to make Canon think again about their strategy "double the price and see what happens" is if they cannot sell their full output of 5d3 at 3500 bucks.

Who is getting tired of all BS of 5d3 vs d800? you not only buy a camera.. YOU BUY THE SYSTEM..

The whole D800 vs 5d3 issue wouldn't be that heated if the 5d3 would be a little cheaper than the D800 and people would think Canon is pricing their gear according to technical quality, not just market value generated by a demand of people who are unable to choose.

I'd think more about investing in Canon gear if I'd trust Canon's long term strategy more - but seeing the last lens releases for video or high end, and now the 5d3 update after 3,5 years of development, I'll keep my money for the time being.


EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« on: March 14, 2012, 01:14:15 PM »
Seriously mate, i've never, ever, ever had any client gripe about DR... That's a photographer's thing... But anyways it's not lacking, and ALL SAMPLES TO DATE HAVE BEEN PREPRODUCTION... wait a week or two... let the tests be done, then flame to your hearts desire... I dont care what you think or anyone else thinks about this and that... If the cameras IQ is as good as the 5d2 with AF better than a 1d4, the camera pays for itself right there

Your saying the AF is hacked up like it's a bad thing... Your getting the 7D meter, which reads the light from the AF spot(s) to feed to the AF and meter system, and the 1dx AF module?  Ok... so this is the second best AF system has to offer currently... Yep.. bad thing... seriously?  The 5d2 had the 5th best AF or maybe worse and the 5d3 is almost as good as the flagship... that's improvement any way you look at it...

I'm not settling for what Canon or any other company gives me, but unlike you, i dont gripe on forums about it... I call Canon, Email them, I get periodic surveys about their gear/customer service/etc... answer them... check your spam folders for them... Register with Canon, Join CPS, those methods, while they may seem pointless, has more chances of being seen by canon's marketing and research than Canon rumors postings...

Nope, i'm not saying that the hacked up job for the Af/meter wont be good. For all i care it can be the next big thing after sliced bread. Its a matter of principle, its the way Canon deliberately nerfs down the 5d series. (remember when they couldn't put a better Af on the mark2 cause "there wasn't any space you guys!"?)

Besides, we're in a product forum, we're here to talk about the tool, whats the point of it if we cant disagree or vent about'em here? How we run our business has little to do with a Canon forum, in here, in my opinion, we expect a technical discussion either from a lab rat or a field reporter, be it before a release or after, don't you agree?

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« on: March 14, 2012, 12:27:35 PM »
If Canon pumped out the camera before nikon ever introduced a D800, no one would be griping about DR, no one would be griping about ISO, AF, etc... it would have been praised as the camera all others would be measured to because of lack of something to compare to..

Quite an assumption, so you sincerely believe that if there wasn't a D800 people wouldn't complain about DR  lagging behind a 1000$ camera? or about banding? Seriously?
D800 just adds salt to it cause of the -500$
it adds also abit more cause they used the full shutter /mirrorbox +Af/meter from their premium model at said price whereas Canon's cheapskates cutback there too, which leads me to :
Aside confronting it with the competition (and rightly so) many people do have expectations after a theoretical 4years of R&D; slapping a hacked up AF/meter from 2 other cams to replace a decade old one and a sensor that its novelty is more geared towards videographers is bound to leave many people unhappy.
How is the 1dx AF system in the 5d3 hacked up?  Seriously?  It's the same damn system, just no IFCL meter, which is just for advanced tracking and metering... Even with that, it has the 7D meter... i haven't heard anyone on any blog ever complain about the 7D meter... It's not the newest or shinest, but it's a better combo than the 1d4... seriously, when they're tested i'm sure the 5d3 will stand up well against the D800's AF if not surpass it, much in the same way the 7D's AF rated higher than the D300's.  the sensor size is a nice fit, a nice compromise, and when I was asked, and the general consensus of other pro photographers, very few were asking for more MP... I said, and many others on this forum, that our dream camera was the 5d2 sensor in a 7D body and AF... Canon delivered, and went way beyond...

Nice, so im saying that the AF/meter is a hacked up solution between 2 cams and then you proceed on actually saying that the AF/meter is a hacked up solution of 1dx+7d systems and then u ask me how do i dare to say its like this?  ::)

plus this:
And for me its this people and this fuzz that pushes companies into fixing things rather than people "up your level" who are happy with whatever Canon throws at them.

Get off your high horse... I'm more than happy to use/want/evolve my photography, my business, my career to meeting my clients needs as they change through the years...  Any photographer who doesn't is being left behind... But in the end, I am grateful Canon did listen.. I'm grateful for no 30+ MP...  I'm grateful for class leasing AF system, even when compared against nikons D700/D800...  I'm grateful for video when my clients just so happen wants a short video for their website, the more they use me than look for someone else to do it, the longer I keep the client... I'm grateful for more usable ISO's for when the rare times I will need it.  You're unhappy, i get it, but don't drag others down who are.

So, you just quote me there and then you're going off talking about clients and business and how maybe a client will ask you a video... huh?  :o

We don't care if you preordered the camera mate, our beef is with Canon. If you feel that these discussions are bringing you down maybe you should work on your selfesteem

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« on: March 14, 2012, 11:19:21 AM »
Dont let other people bring you down to their level.  If you look at what most people wanted improved upon with the 5d3... AF, ISO, Handling, etc... Canon did just that, they listened to their consumer base, and they still get dragged in the mud... some people will never be happy. Enjoy your new camera an post pics when you can!

And what would be "their" level?
No doubt there're people who would never be  happy but most of the fuzz around here is well based. Aside confronting it with the competition (and rightly so) many people do have expectations after a theoretical 4years of R&D; slapping a hacked up AF/meter from 2 other cams to replace a decade old one and a sensor that its novelty is more geared towards videographers is bound to leave many people unhappy.
And for me its this people and this fuzz that pushes companies into fixing things rather than people "up your level" who are happy with whatever Canon throws at them.

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