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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« on: September 20, 2012, 11:46:07 AM »
Well, two years later we're gonna have 6Dm2 with multi-cross focus points.

Yes but with the same sensor, cause Canon heard the people and the people only wanted a new AF  ;D

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« on: September 20, 2012, 11:41:52 AM »

The 6D will sell...a LOT.  It's just like when the 7D was launched to give those moving up from a Rebel to the x0D series another option in 2009... "7D or 50D?? Hmmm...if I buy the 50D will I wish I'd bought the 7D in six months?"

The 6D Will sell a lot????? HAHAHAHA............ At the same Price you can have something very very very BETTER: Nikon D600! I always loved Canon.... In the 2012 a product like that with that features and with that price is VERY VERY RIDICULOUS. See what the D600 have more for the same price!

You can't compare what happen with 7D: it's ridicolous!!.....

How old are you?  15?  Event shooters with multiple Canon bodies don't even look at Nikon and vice versa.  What is so "very very very BETTER" about the D600 grasshopper? It is still a Nikon after all, no? 

...and it's exactly like the 7D launch, 60D launch and even 1Dc launch... in that it's another option to choose from... having more choices is always "very very very BETTER".

first signs in are not that positive though, according to amazon list 6D is currently @ #14 below 60d, a bunch of rebels & dxxxxs, both body & kit D600s and D800. Not very promising for an entry level enthusiast camera...

EOS Bodies / Re: DxOMark Sensor Performance: Nikon vs. Canon
« on: September 19, 2012, 07:05:20 PM »

I'm just surprised at how many people call foul at DXO without taking the effort to really analyze what the measurements/results show.


confirmation bias, thats why you didnt also get a response over your comment @ dtaylor and his "the right way" DR test.

EOS Bodies / Re: DxOMark Sensor Performance: Nikon vs. Canon
« on: September 19, 2012, 06:02:59 PM »
Funny how these threads emerge on this forum with each new Nikon review on DxO.  As an interesting comparison Tech Radar, who is apparantly using the same DxO Analyzer software, recently posted a comparison of SNR and Dynamic Range for the 1DX, 5DIII, 1D4, D4 and D800. http://www.techradar.com/reviews/cameras-and-camcorders/cameras/digital-slrs-hybrids/canon-1dx-1091200/review/page:5#articleContent

While it does show an advantage for the Nikons on base ISO Dynamic Range, the Canons actually shows a better ability to retain it over the ISO range.
:o :P

actually what techradar results show is that they dont have a clue what they're doing. Just look at the progression of these lines, they dont even make sense!

According to the page you linked we can assume that:

Raw (after conversion to TIFF) dynamic range:
  • D4 has the same DR either @ 100 or 1600
  • 1Dx has peak DR @ 3200 and at 6400 it falls to the same level as @ 100 (magic!)
  • 1DIV has a variation of .5stop through the entire range of isos

JPEG dynamic range:
  • 1Dx peak DR @ 12800  :o
  • 1D4 solid DR from 100 through 4000

Its not the 1st time either that there is a discussion about techradar's silly results, just search around here or any other forum.

EOS Bodies / Re: DxOMark Sensor Performance: Nikon vs. Canon
« on: September 19, 2012, 01:54:46 PM »
Anyway, without being a fanboy at all. I know that nikon cameras recently are very very good , DXO over rates them, how can the d3200 be as good as the 5dmark III...

It cant and noone says it is. What Dxo says is that certain aspects of 3200 sensor are better than canon's. Thats reasonable since canon's sensor tech remained quasi-stagnant for a whole generation. Lets not overgeneralise just because we dont like it

Lenses / Re: Were EF-S lenses a bad idea?
« on: September 19, 2012, 08:52:06 AM »
going back to my days on Aps-c i dont regret buying ef-s lenses and that even though i had a stash of ef lenses from the film days. Shooting with the 10-22 & 17-55 was much more enjoyable and productive than any ef combo and if i had to do it again i would also add the new 50-150 from sigma and feel complete. Resale value was also good on this lenses, i think i lost something like 100e when i sold the 10-22, thats 100$ for 4yrs of usage, not bad at all.

EOS Bodies / Re: Enough Full Frame Talk: Where are the 7D II Rumors?
« on: September 17, 2012, 08:17:51 PM »
Canon made it clear some time ago when the announced the big firmware upfrade for the 7D that a 7D Mark II was not coming soon... if ever.  Nikon has also killed off the D400 with their D600.
Personally, I think a 7D Mark II is coming, but not this fall.

true, i do believe though that there is a place & a market for pro APS-Cs

As for wishlist, a full stop in noise & DR and clean 100, dual drive and some mini tweaks (damned spotlinked metering ffs!)

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« on: September 17, 2012, 07:35:20 PM »
The 6D seems very much aligned with what the 5DII was when it came out - a class leading landscape and low light camera with great IQ but lacking the FPS and AF required for sports and action.

I hereby declare this as the funniest statement i've ever read in these forums. Its stature could only be challenged by a video showing you typing it down with a straight face   ;D

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« on: September 17, 2012, 07:26:42 PM »
so, pwp,
But for someone wanting an economical pathway out of APS-C, the 6D would be first choice over the excellent but now relatively ancient 5DII. The newer sensor, newer processor, no doubt improved AF array and other new features/incremental improvements etc make the 6D the clear choice.

and a couple of days before:
Wow! Eleven focus points. That's progress.  :P
The spec list reads pretty much as beige mush.
I doubt this camera exists.


so do tell us again, that beige mush is the clear choice?

as long as i remember Canon's samples were always subpar, so lets refrain criticism for now

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« on: September 17, 2012, 11:50:38 AM »
I can't believe they had the gall to charge more than the Nikon D600. Canon's pricing is downright insulting lately.

Canon's pricing policy is pure MARKETING GENIUS....

........any xxD or xxxD owner will aspire to owning a 6D.... the higher initial entry price for the 6D will ensure (listen to the voices on CR over the last 12 hours as proof) that those serious amateur enthusiasts (incl. 7D owners) will now pony up the extra for a 5D3.....

.... meanwhile lots of budding videographers (look at the Canon 6D  Press Release - it mentions 3 categories of user: PHOTOGRAPHERS, VIDEOGRAPHERS & CINEMATOGRAPHERS - 2 out of 3 are video users) will happily pay 2 grand for a FF DSLR video cam with low-light capability as well as compatibility with the new STM lenses

.... read the threads on this forum re. 6D, commentators have polarized into 2 distinct groups:

 (1) those who have their credit cards out and cannot wait till October to get their hands on a 6D


(2) those who think its awful and the disappointment is enough to finally trigger their 5D3 purchase

As a 7D owner I wouldn't buy a 6D, but I'm glad that Canon has just protected the residual value of my 7D with their inane pricing strategy

I can see that you're out preaching incessantly about how this joke of a camera is somehow worth the investement, but seriously, your posts are choke full of assumptions and missinformation

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Sensor... why?
« on: September 17, 2012, 11:10:36 AM »
According to Canon USA the image format of 6D is 35.8mm x 23.9mm, 5D2 is 36mm x 24mm.
I guess Canon just trim down the 5D2's sensor a bit. Maybe the AF is also modified from the 9 point AF in the 5D2. In this way, Canon is able to use these 4 years old parts to create a new body, reduce the overstocked 5D2 sensors and AF module and cut the cost a lot. Three birds with one stone.

nice catch

EOS Bodies / Re: Describe the 6D in one word...
« on: September 17, 2012, 07:58:52 AM »
LOL! Love the analogy. Yup, as much as these people moan they're not going to leave. Unfortunately :(

well they donĀ“t spend MORE money either.. at least i will not buy this camera...  i stick 2 more years to my 5D MK2 then.
i've already picked a D800 for this round & im still using my 5d2. I dont see myself buying anything Canon till their products start being competitive again.

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D and crop feature
« on: September 15, 2012, 07:55:14 AM »

My biggest reluctance with getting a 7D is only the low light performance where it badly trails behind the likes of the D7000.
i cant see a huge difference in iq between d7000 and 7d sensor at high iso (2/3 of stop...maybe) and is AF, shutter lag, speed and so on the 7d is a better camera than d7000/d300s.
Not quite correct, there is a noticeable difference sensor-wise between Canon's 18mp and that sony 16mp across the whole spectrum, more so in Pentax's implemenation.
Plus 7d & d300 have the same fps and actually 7d has the worst shutter lag of all 3 (.45 vs .54 vs .64) and despite its price its a single drive camera without spot linked meter. Having said that, i like the responsiveness of 7d's AF, the reach and the build but i've never recommended it cause there is just not a single iso setting without noise :(

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