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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Canon 5D Mark III - Resolution Review
« on: March 26, 2012, 12:27:54 PM »
OK now I've done some more pixel peeper tests and I've come around to agreeing with the Crooked Path recommended picture style: Faithful 2, -4, -2, 0. Faithful is truer to skin tones, which you usually will want, though without humans in the picture Neutral may sometimes be better. But the important thing is two clicks of sharpening is the right setting. Sharpening at 0 is the right setting for stills I think but that doesn't translate to video. The picture looks a bit blurred at 0 sharpening...they may actually be intentionally blurring it as an anti-aliasing or anti-moire measure (just speculation...I have no idea...maybe they did it that way for the 5d2 and it's carried over). So it's possible the "native" sharpening setting is 2, but regardless, I am getting a sharper picture without haloing on the setting of 2.

Crooked path also has his own picture styles built off faithful. Though personally if I'm going to use a flat picture style it will be Technicolor Cinestyle which Crooked Path explains on his own blog: rather than a hacked-up faithful, Cinestyle is a deeper interaction with H.264. And I do think Sharpening 2 on Cinestyle is probably a better idea too than sharpening 0.

Just sharing my thoughts as I update them. Try it out and see what you think.

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D mk3 - A few complaints
« on: March 26, 2012, 09:49:47 AM »
The earring makes clear at least one problem your software is having is related to the new chromatic aberration correction system.

I think they had to rush out the camera with unbaked software due to the D800 shipping. I have no worries they will get the software right in a few months latest. They have ambitious plans which will require careful implementations, and it's too bad Nikon forced their hand. But I am happy to have the camera now regardless even though you're right it will not be easy to use yet.

I also think the rest of your complaints are mostly due to settings you haven't made properly yet in camera. This camera is deep and requires study.

It's a bit too early to know how this is going to work. But my impression is, if you shoot JPEG, the correction is baked in and shouldn't be redone (unless you feel it needs it). If shooting RAW, the software should read the correction as metadata and apply it under your control (I.e. like a preset amount on the software's sliders). It would then be activated if you had activated it in-camera,and would not be double-dipped.

That's how I would do it if hired to design these things, but again, it's too early to know ow they will actually design these things, potentially for good reasons.

How yagonna pull focus on the 50/1.8?

EOS Bodies / Re: Curious about B&H & mkiii shipments
« on: March 25, 2012, 02:22:54 AM »
Confirming 538xx arrived safe and sound 3/23. Full test of cam reveals no problems.

Personally I find at least 80% of the sex appeal of L glass to be their unique color rendition.

You're not going to find a particular mix of color very easily in post. "Can't get there from here" is of course a strong could, perhaps, but the question is whether you would.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5d3 Annoyances
« on: March 24, 2012, 07:52:20 PM »
Ditto, on my 7D it's also my 'quick, a bird!' setting.
C2 is for macros and landscapes I see while i'm wandering around forests looking for birds.
C1 is for HDRs, pre-set to 2-stop bracketing with a -2/3 centre, take 3, turn EV dial to 0 centre, take 3, turn EV dial to +2/3 centre. so within 5 seconds I can get a 9-shot HDR spread 2/3EV apart.

I find it strange that my 7D can set bracketing to a custom-mode and the 5D3 can't.
Is it only the 5/7/9-brackets that can't be set to a Cx?
Or is it the special in-camera HDR setting that can't be a Custom Mode?

As mentioned AEB (and from 2 to 7 shots) works fine for C1-C3. It's just HDR that they actually worked extra hard to prevent from working. You're going to love the 5d3's 7-shot AEB with continuous out that whole ladder with one instantaneous button press.

Since I feel a need to post a new annoyance with each of my comments here, next up: there is room for both the realtime histogram and the electronic level at once in the live view screen during manual mode, but additional INFO presses toggle one off and the other on. You can't tell me that the CPU just can't handle drawing both at once, right? How about letting us see both at once, so I can just set the whole shot up with no additional button presses. A minor nit.

I just love the electronic level in the optical viewfinder (settable to the M.Fn button, it uses the AF points to dynamically show you tilt and level). I really do like this camera, don't get me wrong...I just want them to fix the firmware a bit while they are still interested in it.

Oh and another one, I can RATE pictures immediately after taking them, but I can't do it with movies, I have to go into play mode. If I'm on set and we screw up or nail a take, I should be able to RATE right away, right? How about letting us RATE during the recording too? And also, what about the X Rejected rating that appears in DPP but doesn't appear in camera? And I would also love an Erase Images option that went by rating. So "Erase All Images ** and lower" etc. would be us from using the Lock function when prioritizing storage.

Software & Accessories / Re: Loading MK 5III images into Aperture 3
« on: March 24, 2012, 07:31:57 PM »
I know it's depressing I want to show off my new toy. Just keep collecting shots and ingest later when the next RAW compatibility update ships out. It may be a while...DPP is generating soft output, so even on Canon's end there may be problems. Haven't tried the Adobe converter yet, thanks for that.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5d3 Annoyances
« on: March 24, 2012, 03:36:29 PM »
A complaint is a gift, and the camera will not be improved if complaints are not aired and discussed. Which hurts Canon and you. If a courtesy period was observed for complaints, few would remember to post them later, just resigning themselves to "that's the way things are."

Now then, the next annoyance:

The Silent Control feature during movie shooting is a terrific idea, but really only currently makes sense for audio control. The reason is the exposure controls are not graduated in effect: the picture suddenly shifts from one ISO or aperture to another. While I understand shutter speed might be hard to ramp up and down, aperture and sensor gain (ISO) should be able to have smooth ramping functions applied to them. This might get a little tricky with different lenses' implementations of aperture control (I have no idea) but at least sensor gain should be rampable because the non-whole-EV ISO's (e.g. 320 or 640) are non-native pull-up/pull-down implementations as I understand it and therefore Canon ought to be able to create a ramping function in software that ramps up to nearly a whole stop of gain before switching to the native ISO of the next stop up. With a ramp speed parameter (say 10ms-1s).

Not as easy a change as my first two but it would really be a big positive impact in getting around our lack of manual (and declicked) aperture controls on Canon glass. Sure Canon will say "just buy the Cinema lenses" but no one shooting 5d3 has the money for such things. And it's in Canon's financial interest to complete this incomplete feature, to stave off people buying the Samyang declicked/cine lenses.

Lenses / Re: Why are video lenses so fat?
« on: March 24, 2012, 01:14:40 PM »
Another thing cine lenses will have is smooth manual control of aperture, without any clicks. So you can change DOF and overall exposure during a shot without shaking the camera.

It is possible to declick non-cine lenses with manual aperture rings and has become hip to do so to get some of that working.

Cine shoots tend not to care as much about bulk and cost as still shoots and are a smaller market so will have higher prices. Though Samyang is coming out with cine versions of their inexpensive EF lenses which may be cool.

EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Canon 5D Mark III - Resolution Review
« on: March 24, 2012, 07:04:36 AM »
Well thanks for contributing your tests, and I thank Andrew as well, imperfect though his articles may be they are useful and often on-point.

EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: 5D Mark III - Brick Wall Test
« on: March 24, 2012, 06:13:48 AM »
Probably as good as any delivery format that the people priced out of the C300 will use during this camera's lifetime.

I.e. Youtube and Vimeo etc. will do more damage than the camera for the foreseeable future. So will lesser projectors.

I know lots of ego's in film probably dream their film will be a sleeper hit pulled out of the dustbin and ushered into glory, and therefore want the best possible print for posterity. But I think the three or four cases that pull that off will have a certain swagger that their film was so good it survived the weak and cheap technology it was made with.

Therefore I'm not seeing a problem. The moire and aliasing on the 5D2 was a problem.

EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Canon 5D Mark III - Resolution Review
« on: March 24, 2012, 06:03:43 AM »
jcs now I have the 5D3 and doing tests I can confirm you probably want to be using the following picture style (unless you are using a 3rd party one like CineStyle):

EDITED: This was the old Vince Laforet suggested setting, Neutral 0, -4, -2, 0, but now I've decided it's no longer best. Instead, I'm now suggesting another setting in my updated post below.

Reading Andrew's site, he's got factual errors in many of the articles I read. For instance, in his camera comparison as posted now, he dismisses the C300 has having only 4:2:0 color when in fact it has 4:2:2 as can be easily verified on Canon's site. Lazy for someone of that influence...this is why proper journals hire fact checkers.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5d3 Annoyances
« on: March 24, 2012, 04:43:44 AM »
It's a relief that at least the SET button can be made into the magnifier. But why can't pressing down on the multi-controller (aka "joystick") be the magnifier/focus assist? All it can be is AF direct point selection in the custom controls settings. If press down on the joystick was magnify, you wouldn't have to reposition your thumb to the joystick to move the magnification around. Really this is obvious and suggests a rush to market (over a 3.5 year period?).

Unbelievable they won't let the old buttons work for focus assist/digital zoom...but I think their rationale is based on getting people away from those buttons because they are going to replace them with a proper video autofocus system. But it's a generation too early to wean people off those buttons. Let the people work the way they want to. Which btw includes focus assist during video recording!

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Sigma 17-50mm 2.8 lens
« on: March 24, 2012, 04:01:14 AM »
For s&g I tested this lens on the 5d3 today, it crops out a circle (with the top and bottom lopped off) in the center of the frame. The coverage is only adequate for APS-C, on FF you will have to crop as if it was APS-C, which is pointless.

I find the zoom to be way too stiff on my copy for zooms during video. It's fine for stills. To zoom during video, you will want a sturdy tripod, though I'm not sure even that and a "follow zoom" will counteract the stiffness and yield no shake.

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