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The source also stated that the sensor is made by Canon using a new CMOS manufacturing process.

So, who's first to pre-order one?

I don't need to be the first kid on the block to have one so I most definitely won't be preordering one.

And if it is a Canon sensor I will most definitely wait until it has been tested - especially by DxO.

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wow, i don't get it.  to me these specs look good, real good especially if they get the sensor right (and for a beast like this they better because if it doesn't come with some serious high quality at the low ISO's and more DR, then it should just be a jack of all trades camera). 

what I don't get though is how many negative comments here.  It's like the past 2.5 years of canon rumors posts  and posts just flipped over to the bizarro world.  For 2.5 years - sonikon has XXX MP"S and sonikon has XX DR - and how canon FF bodies are only suitable for FB selfies and kneel and pray to exmor, oh holy exmor.  Now we hear of this ---and yes this is a rumo spec list - no cr rating at all and the majority of posts want ---high iso and low light capabilities?????  REALLY????  Did the past 2.5 years just happen or did I blink while the majority of folks here had their priorities change???  Get a grip people!!!
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What's more, people are always going on about how the current Canon cameras already have great high ISO performance so you've got to ask yourself, what do they want? They've already got the best (so they say.)

What I think is upsetting people is that this camera isn't being aimed at action photography or low light photography AND has a huge number of megapixels. So there's a whole swathe of people that feel like they're being denied the use of a high megapixel camera by Canon.

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EOS Bodies / Re: More About the EOS 5DS & EOS 5DS R
« on: Today at 09:06:08 AM »
This is sounding more and more like a camera for serious photographers rather than "gun" shooters :-P

Not once have I read someone complain about colour accuracy when shooting birds or sport.

My only fear is that if this is meant to be a "premium" camera then the price will also be premium.

I'm kind of expecting it to be in the vicinity of the 1DX so far as price goes.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Big Announcements Coming Next Week [CR3]
« on: Today at 07:34:48 AM »
So.....  no multilayer RGB imager, no global shutter, less high
ISO performance, no GPS, no Wifi, no flash radio controller
built in......   

Not exactly what I had hoped for.

Since the spec list also doesn't mention what kind of battery it uses, should we assume that it doesn't have a battery?

What about the lack of optical view finder? Should we assume that is missing too because it is left out of what has been leaked?

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So a 30MP 1.3x mode and a 20MP 1.6x mode.

Comes packed with "extra reach" for birders :-P

This is also the first time a Canon DSLR has had an intervalometer.
7D2?

I was gonna say...

Was never interested in the 7D2 so I've not looked at its spec list.

Then perhaps you should avoid making blanket statements like that out of ignoranceā€¦

hahaha! You're precious. A whole new thread to talk about new specs and all you can do is pick on me and what I say! Someone is obsessed :) Do you love me yet?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Big Announcements Coming Next Week [CR3]
« on: Today at 07:28:12 AM »
But 5fps sounds good for something like this. I wonder 2 things: what the RAW buffer is like, and if it goes any faster/longer in either of the crop modes. 1.3 = ~30Mp and 1.6 = ~19.8Mp.

This is what I expected as a minimum but it is good news in more than one way. I expect it can do 8 fps @ 30 mpix and 10 fps @ 19.8 mpix. If so that would be a serious fps upgrade from the relatively slow 5DIII into 7DII fast shooting territory - and still with somewhat more mpix than the 5DIII.

Overall the 1.3 and 1.6 crop modes will add a lot of flexibility to the camera by offering real fast shutter speeds. I could easily see myself often go for a compromise 8 fps @ 30 mpix for action shots.

For 8-10 fps, they'd have to give it a 1-series type mirror/shutter assembly.  I think it's more likely the crop modes will get you fewer MP...and that's it.

Hope not. That would make it more a marketing gimmick than a truly useful feature. Nikon 810 does 7 fps in crop mode. We'll see.

Not if you're birding, unless you want lots more filler around the subject (bird).

Think of it as "extra reach" modes :-P

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So a 30MP 1.3x mode and a 20MP 1.6x mode.

Comes packed with "extra reach" for birders :-P

This is also the first time a Canon DSLR has had an intervalometer.
7D2?

I was gonna say...

Was never interested in the 7D2 so I've not looked at its spec list.

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So a 30MP 1.3x mode and a 20MP 1.6x mode.

Comes packed with "extra reach" for birders :-P

This is also the first time a Canon DSLR has had an intervalometer.

Don't forget most Nikon full Frames will do higher FPS in Crop mode, maybe this one will do faster also.

That would be interesting, wouldn't it?

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and I hope they ditch CF cards. I'm getting sick of dealing with pins.

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So a 30MP 1.3x mode and a 20MP 1.6x mode.

Comes packed with "extra reach" for birders :-P

This is also the first time a Canon DSLR has had an intervalometer.

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Anyone want to guess on the price?

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If ISO only going to 6400 means that results are better at 100, then so be it.

how is that?
can you explain the logic behind it?

from my (limited) experience the higher the max ISO goes the better the low ISO is.

Every step in ISO halves the sensitivity of the sensor, e.g.:

http://sensorgen.info/CanonEOS-7D-Mark-II.html

... and the 5Ds will have a similar pixel size and thus similar full well capacity to that. For ISO levels above 6400, regardless of whether or not it is clean, there's very little left in the way of signal to work with (for detail work.)

With a shrinking pixel size, beyond a certain ISO level it kind of becomes pointless to even be shooting raw.

Beyond a certain point, high ISOs are just a marketing gimmick. Look at what you get from a 1DX if you shoot at maximum ISO.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Big Announcements Coming Next Week [CR3]
« on: January 29, 2015, 05:41:37 AM »
My only point was Canon needs SOMETHING with competitive 4k that isn't $10,000.

Why?  Canon was the first to make a 4K dSLR, so clearly they have the technology.  The fact that they haven't brought 4K down the lineup indicates they haven't seen it as a need so far.  I suspect Canon knows more about their business than you do.

Yes they have it. That's the point. The last FF bodies released were 2013. 4k was widely a non-issue at that time.  2015 is a new day and quite the opposite is the case now. Point was that these NEW bodies should have it for this round for the next 2-3 year life cycle

Giventhe current market penetration of 4K TVs (or lack thereof), I suspect it's still widely a non-issue.
I believe the market forecast for this year is for 4K TVs to outsell 2K TVs..... At my local best buy, the 4K section is now bigger than the 2K section. There is still not very much content, but people are buying them.....

Just like most 2K TVs were 3D, resulting in lots of "3D TVs" being sold when in fact all that people needed was 2D/2K.

Maybe the margins are also better with 4K (thus the stores want to sell them in preference to 2K)?

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EOS Bodies / Re: A Sony & Canon Sensor Partnership Mentioned Again [CR1]
« on: January 29, 2015, 01:23:06 AM »
what so many people seem to forget is that Sony sensors work better at low ISO and canon sensors work best at high ISO. Nobody is best across the board. I think it would be a step backwards for the industry to just pick one.

The lead that the Sony sensor has at low ISO is much greater than the lead the Canon sensor has at high ISO. Furthermore the Sony sensor has a linear relationship between ISO and performance where the Canon sesnor does not.

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Another point that needs to be made is that you can outsource the production of your design. It is very possible that Sony can produce a Canon design of sensor more economically than in house at Canon.

Or can produce designs that Canon cannot (due to fabrication process limitations.)

Canon make steppers, part of the machinery needed to make sensors, Sony don't.

Well in that case it means that Canon is behind in another area of its business (whoever is making the plant equipment that supplies Sony or the company that makes Sony's sensors.)

There are three companies in the world that make steppers, Canon, Nikon, and ASML a Dutch company. I believe they all make the same generation steppers, though Nikon are well off the boil, and Canon lost a lot of market share to ASML as well due to very restrictive and proprietary attitudes. ASML have carved a substantial portion of the market out for themselves because of business practices, not technology.

How is it that you know this?

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EOS Bodies / Re: A Sony & Canon Sensor Partnership Mentioned Again [CR1]
« on: January 28, 2015, 11:09:40 PM »
Canon: All right. Who makes the sensor? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both take pictures, and find out who has Canon... and who has Sony.
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hahaha!

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