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EOS Bodies / Re: Concept Cinema DSLR Official

« on: November 04, 2011, 11:53:40 AM »

For $6800/each it better be something more than an old L lens in a new housing

The value of these lenses is not just in the optics but also being able to set the distance marker for focus at, say, 20', and for the focus to be exactly that each and every time you move the focus ring to that distance.

Normal stills camera lenses (such as the 85/f.1.2) do not have properties such as this.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Concept Cinema DSLR Official

« on: November 04, 2011, 10:16:54 AM »

Sorry if this is a really dumb question, but will this be able to take stills aswell? I just havent seen anything about it?

Larry Thorpe: "You can, but only in HD - 1920 x 1080 pixels. So it won't be as good as a still that you'd get from the 5D Mark II, obviously. But it's a decent picture and you can record stills to SDHC cards, which slot in the side of the camera. You've got CompactFlash for motion imaging but you can record stills to SDHC. "

oh right, so it would be low res photos. So not at all for stills people really, or even people that want half and half. Its very much more geared to just advacnced video. So do you think the 5dmkiii would be more balanced inbetween video quality and stills.

The "concept cinema DSLR", which this thread is about. is the camera that I think will have more balanced video/still quality. I expect that the 5D3 will have similar video performance to what it has now. Maybe higher frame rates but not that much more. The 5D2 is a stills camera that also has some video capability and we should expect Canon to keep it that way.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Concept Cinema DSLR Official

« on: November 04, 2011, 10:06:38 AM »

I'd agree with several of these posts. I'll be very interested to see price point and uptake. It would seem that Canon have missed the point slightly, in that the enthusiasm for DSLR film making is from people who value a camera that can do both, and don't have the money to split their interests across two product lines.

If this is a high end product, aimed at Hollywood, then fine. I have a feeling though, that this might be one of those Canon eccentricities that never really finds it's desired market.

It is a higher end product than than their DSLRs.

Canon sees these cameras as being something to compete with the cheaper(?) Arri cameras.

The C300 cameras are not and were not targeted at people who take photographs. Yes, maybe they can, but nothing about their specifications or look says that to me. The C300s have neither automatic focus nor automatic exposure.

For those that are using the 5D2 or 7D to shoot video, I think the concept cinema DSLR is the one to watch for.

Now where will that get priced? Interesting question.

I can easily see it being more than a 5D2. More than the 1DX? Hard to say without knowing the full feature set. It could easily be $4k-$5k or more if it brings with it an increase in performance that results in requiring less post processing (time is money.)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Concept Cinema DSLR Official

« on: November 03, 2011, 11:41:36 PM »

$6800 for every single one of the primes?
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?

and I thought I could consider them for still photography use.
haha.

Pay close attention to all of the distance markers around the focus adjustment.

That's a big part of what you're paying for.

I'm also willing to bet that other properties, such as distortion, are rather different with these lenses.

Note that none of them are quoted in "F" stop - they're all "T" stop lenses.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Concept Cinema DSLR Official

« on: November 03, 2011, 09:08:10 PM »

probably because the new "cine"-Lenses [especially 30-300, 14.5-60] will only cover a Super 35 = roughly APS-H image circle.

Which means they would work on APS-C sensor cameras.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Concept Cinema DSLR Official

« on: November 03, 2011, 09:07:29 PM »

Well this looks like the "filler" that will be between the 1DX and the 5D3 in price.

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Lenses / Re: New Lenses Imminent? [CR1]

« on: November 02, 2011, 05:43:04 PM »

3 new lenses at 3 new prices...

If they were going to replace all of their micro-motor focus lenses with something better, I could definitely see the 35/2 and 50/1.8 being replaced. The other one of those that would be up for an update would be the 24/2.8. But maybe if they update those three then they don't believe that they're covering as wide of a range in focal lengths?

In APS-C terms, that's 56mm(35), 80mm(50) and either 153mm(85) or 38mm (28)

That might position the 50/1.8 as a "portrait lens" for APS-C and the 35/2 as the "50mm lens" for crop cameras?

From that perspective, I can easily see both the 35/2 and 50/1.8 being updated.

The 85/1.8 doesn't quite fit into any specific bracket for APS-C in terms of effective focal length.

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EOS Bodies / 1DX and external GPS

« on: November 01, 2011, 09:57:33 PM »

It occurs to me that putting the GPS inside a magnesium alloy body might not actually work because the magnesium alloy body is going to act as a pretty good shield and keep out all of the useful RF from the satellites.

It will be curious to see how well the GPS inside the A77 fares or how/where they've done the wiring for the GPS antennae in that camera.

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Canon General / Re: Filters: Cokin P Series "Equivalent" quandary

« on: November 01, 2011, 06:48:52 PM »

Oh, Cokin filters aren't really the best to be using with L lenses but there are other pieces of glass/plastic that can be mounted in Cokin holders:

Hitech
Singh Ray

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Canon General / Re: Filters: Cokin P Series "Equivalent" quandary

« on: November 01, 2011, 06:40:34 PM »

Looks like I need to hand hold the filters sans the holder 

That's what I do

Depending on the situation, I rest the P frame holder directly on the lens, without the screw in ring.

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Lenses / Re: Buy now or wait?

« on: November 01, 2011, 05:03:37 PM »

Additionally, you might find yourself in a position that a used 100-400mm is worth the same or even more than your original purchase price once a MKII is released and the stock levels of the existing model are all dried up.

That would be nice (from a seller's perspective, at least).  I'm not sure that will happen with the 100-400mm, though.  For some reason, I frequently see them come up on CL at what I would consider reasonable prices (~70% of new price) - there's one on my local CL for $1100 right now.  That sort of reduction is not unusual for this lens, but was very unusual for other white zooms.

Like this one?
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/pho/2659957148.html

Given the description, it's seen a bit of use...

Others are not quite as cheap...
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/pho/2678841997.html

... but still a fair bit lower than $1600.

The 100-400 seems a bit too large for my liking but others love it. *shrug*

I can easily imagine people buying it sight unseen over the internet and then discovering that it isn't what they really wanted...

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Lenses / Re: Buy now or wait?

« on: November 01, 2011, 04:19:34 PM »

I have to disagree with neuro. I don't think the 70-300L qualifies as a replacement for the 100-400.
The main reason most people buy the 100-400 is precisely to be able to get to 400mm ! The strenght of this lens is the long range.

Just to clarify, I don't think it's a replacement.  My point was that I think that Canon thinks it's a replacement.

Well, I think replacement is the wrong word, rather the 70-300L is the "100-500L EF-S" lens that also happens to work on FF.

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Lenses / Re: Buy now or wait?

« on: November 01, 2011, 04:15:55 PM »

If a 1-series is out of budget, the 200-400mm will be even moreso. Unlike the variable aperture 100-400, which is f/5.6 at the long end, the 200-400 is a constant f/4 and has a built-in TC. It will sit firmly inbthe supertele line, likely costing between $7.5-10K.

Ah...didn't realize it was going to be constant f/4...that will definitely push it into the rent category for me. Thanks for the info.

I guess the main one I'm worried about is that an upgrade will hit the 100-400mm not too long after I buy it. Does it seem that could be happening within the next few months or does this one sound like it's still in planning stages too? Like you said though, the current lenses are great but I don't ever sell my old gear. I still have the first SLR I learned on from 30 years ago.

Even if Canon did bring out a new 100-400mm tomorrow, it will not be cheaper than the current model if the upgrade to the 70-200/f2.8 IS USM is anything to go by. Additionally, you might find yourself in a position that a used 100-400mm is worth the same or even more than your original purchase price once a MKII is released and the stock levels of the existing model are all dried up.

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EOS Bodies / Re: *UPDATE* The \

« on: October 31, 2011, 05:35:12 PM »

Canon is choosing to announce the same day as Red Scarlet.

Canon did not choose the date based upon when Scarlet will be announced.  In fact, the opposite is the case:
"Not to be outdone, shortly after Canon coyly asked the press to “save the date,” Jim Jannard, the inimitable founder of Red, announced that “Everything you ever wanted to hear from RED regarding Scarlet will be announced Nov. 3 at 6 p.m.”
http://www.btlnews.com/crafts/camera/canon-promises-a-historic-global-announcement-nov-3/

And I'm willing to bet that one of those two companies has a product that is ready and one that does not.

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EOS Bodies / Re: what the 1Dx may tell us about the 5Diii

« on: October 31, 2011, 05:06:34 PM »

Try post processing 1k raw images like I do sometimes ... and see the time you save with this gimmick.  Trust me it is not fun sitting on the comp for a week merging all the AEB frames.... It may not be much for you, but for some it is very welcome.

I used to have a 1D2, and loved to take HDR shots with the 7AEB and 8fps. Now I have a 5D, I have almost given up on HDR since it is so much more inconvenient now.... I would like to get back into it once they have a decent set of functions on the 5D3.

I suspect that in camera HDR is becoming a tick-box thing that all new cameras of a certain grade must have in order to be worthy of the price tag.

I almost never use regular AEB brackets and use manual settings as sometimes the "darks" can be too dark.