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Lenses / Re: DXOMark: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Reviewed
« on: December 18, 2013, 10:29:09 AM »
Many of the cheap Canon 24-105L's are because vendors are taking it out of a kit and selling it and the camera separately. This is not a Canon approved activity but they seem to look the other way.

If you go to a proper web site for a store like B&H, then you can compare the price of the Canon and Sigma:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?atclk=Zoom+Focal+Lengths_24-105mm&ci=274&N=4288584247+4261208183

$1149 vs $899.

Adorama:

http://www.adorama.com/catalog.tpl?op=itemlist&cat1=Lenses&cat2=SLR%20Lenses&Feature5=24-105mm&sf=Price&st=de

$1149 vs $899.

Well, if the box the worth $500 to you, then get it for 1149.  It isn't to me.  And good luck selling a Canon 24-105 that you would buy for 1149 for anything close to that amount.

Or in other words, anyone that paid anything close to the MSRP when it was originally released has been screwed over and that this lens was never worth the investment when it was first released.

Says a lot for Canon "L" quality, doesn't it?

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Landscape / Re: Sky on Fire!
« on: December 18, 2013, 09:52:25 AM »
Seriously, none of these qualify as "sky on fire".


Since I'm saying that, I suppose I should post something that I liken more to "sky on fire".

Attached is something that I'd consider closer to "sky on fire" but even then, it is just an "auto-tone" out of Lightroom (no crop or manual saturation, etc, changes)  but even then, there may be a couple of better ones I've got.

Well, if attachments work... :/

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Site Information / front page is now without ads :-D
« on: December 18, 2013, 09:47:46 AM »
I don't know what you guys have done in the last 24 hours but today I see no ads at all when I visit this website!!!! wooo :-) :-)


Formatting of the front page is a bit borked but I can live with it!

please, don't change anything!!



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Lenses / Re: DXOMark: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Reviewed
« on: December 18, 2013, 09:42:38 AM »
As soon as this lens was announced, I felt that the only way that it would be a success is if it destroyed the 24-105L optically.  It didn't seem to offer any other compelling reason to purchase:  focal length the same.  IS/OS.  Same maximum aperture. 

Downsides included:  Heavier and larger front element.  Not weather sealed.  Sigma's reputation for sometimes inconsistent AF accuracy.  Third party lens with potential downsides that come with that.

I think the consensus out there is that in SOME ways the Sigma is better optically, but it certainly doesn't blow the 24-105L out of the water.  That is going to make it a hard sell.  Just out of curiosity:  a lot of you own the 24-105L - are you planning on selling it to get the Sigma? 

I don't own the 24-105L right now.  I've owned two copies in the past and liked them considerably.  I own let my last copy go when I got the Tamron 24-70 VC and found that I wasn't using the Canon anymore.  But if I owned the 24-105L right I certainly wouldn't be selling it to get this lens.

I'm tempted. The distortion on the Canon 24-105 at the wide end makes it almost unusable at anything less than 35mm.

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Lenses / Re: DXOMark: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Reviewed
« on: December 18, 2013, 09:40:37 AM »
People are comparing Sigma's MSRP with Canon's street price. That seems hardly fair. A proper comparison should be between equivalent prices, so either both MSRPs or both street. If the Sigma lens is able to sustain good sales at or close to its MSRP then that's not a bad thing.

It is fair because that the order price is the MSRP for the Sigma RIGHT NOW, at the same instant in time.  If I want to buy a Canon 24-105, I could have gotten one new for about 600.  If I want a to order a new Sigma, it'd cost me about 900.  Perhaps the Sigma's price will fall 100 in a 200 in a year and the Canon will remain at 600.  If so, then that is a comparison for next year.

Many of the cheap Canon 24-105L's are because vendors are taking it out of a kit and selling it and the camera separately. This is not a Canon approved activity but they seem to look the other way.

If you go to a proper web site for a store like B&H, then you can compare the price of the Canon and Sigma:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?atclk=Zoom+Focal+Lengths_24-105mm&ci=274&N=4288584247+4261208183

$1149 vs $899.

Adorama:

http://www.adorama.com/catalog.tpl?op=itemlist&cat1=Lenses&cat2=SLR%20Lenses&Feature5=24-105mm&sf=Price&st=de

$1149 vs $899.

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Lenses / Re: DXOMark: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Reviewed
« on: December 17, 2013, 10:54:34 PM »
Yeah, it only undercuts the Canon because DxO still has the 24-105 costing 1250, which is far above its current street price.  It may be a slightly better than Canon's 24-105, but with the Canon version selling at 600-700, the Sigma isn't quite the bargain as when the Canon sold at 1250.

Canon's MSRP for the lens is $1149.

That is somewhat irrelevant since that is not what people are paying for it.  The question would be what is the actual street cost of the two lenses.

People are comparing Sigma's MSRP with Canon's street price. That seems hardly fair. A proper comparison should be between equivalent prices, so either both MSRPs or both street. If the Sigma lens is able to sustain good sales at or close to its MSRP then that's not a bad thing.

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Lenses / Re: DXOMark: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Reviewed
« on: December 17, 2013, 08:39:53 PM »
Yeah, it only undercuts the Canon because DxO still has the 24-105 costing 1250, which is far above its current street price.  It may be a slightly better than Canon's 24-105, but with the Canon version selling at 600-700, the Sigma isn't quite the bargain as when the Canon sold at 1250.

Canon's MSRP for the lens is $1149.

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Lenses / Re: DXOMark: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Reviewed
« on: December 17, 2013, 08:33:21 PM »
The "T-Stop" difference is significant. Canon 24-105L f/4 is really f/5.1 whereas the Sigma is f/4.2.

What does that mean?

If the correct exposure for a scene is 1/60 at f/4 then with the Canon lens you'd need to have the shutter run at 1/35 whereas the Sigma would only require 1/53.

Sharpness: Sigma is better (sharper)
Distortion: Sigma is better (less)
Transmission: Sigma is better (more light gets through)
Vignetting: Canon is better (no vignetting at the long end)
Chromatic aberration: Canon is better

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Technically, the subject of this thread is wrong and amounts to false advertising.

The purchase price is NOT $1699, rather it is $1999.

A mail in rebate does not count against the purchase price.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / What happened to A-DEP?
« on: December 16, 2013, 07:15:27 AM »
Unless I'm mistaken, it has disappeared off of Canon bodies...?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Thinking Out Loud: EOS 7D Mark II Thoughts
« on: December 16, 2013, 07:04:25 AM »
If you set your mind back a few years, at the "affordable" end, the original 7d had a noticeable AF capability and speed advantage over the 5Dii and 50D.  It had a clearly defined position in the Canon hierarchy.

But, now, apart from an increase in fps, I'm not sure what a 7Dii could offer over a 5Diii, whereas the 5Diii would offer better IQ (something we all value highly).  At the other end, the 70D at $950 looks very compelling.  Canon would need to have something special to demand a significant premium.  So I think the problem is pricing.  There is clearly a lot of interest in a 7Dii type camera.  But can Canon put something together that can justify a high price tag and motivate buyers?  I hope so.

Or to put it differently, Canon can build a camera with any number of features, but selecting the ones they want to meet a particular price point is the hard part.

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Lenses / Re: Review: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS
« on: December 15, 2013, 02:22:37 AM »
Sadly, once again no weathersealing ;/    Isn't that something an "always-on"-lense *HAS* to be written on the *MUST*-List?

Un, no. Most people will quite taking photographs due to the elements well before their equipment is in danger. Do you think most of the 24-105's that Canon have sold get used in the rain? Most people will want to be inside and out of the rain first.

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The IQ is nice, but Sigma shouln't forget that Canon's KitLense 24-105 is on the market for ages and in hundreds below 600$.

Otherwise, I like the new way Sigma thinks  8)   The Art Line is the right way.

If you look for the price of the Canon 24-105L/F4 on Canon's website then:
http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup/ef_24_105mm_f_4l_is_usm
$1149

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Not Coming? [CR1]
« on: December 15, 2013, 02:14:13 AM »
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Sales of the 70D are slower than expected,

Yes.... if you look at the Amazon Sales ratings....

The 70D with a lens is only number 4 DSLR in sales
The 70D bare body is only #7
The T31 in various packages are #1 and #2 and #19
The 60D in various packages are #9, #10 and #39
The T5i is #18, #22, #23, 
The 7D is #38

Obviously APSC is DEAD! and FF will win the sales competition...
< HUGE SARCASM TAG>

The 6D is #11 an #16
The 5D3 is #14 and #21
The 1DX does not show up in the top 100....

It makes perfect sense that Canon will drop a top selling camera to protect one that does not it into the top 100... NOT!!!

So lets look at "digital camera" sales:

http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Digital-Cameras/zgbs/electronics/281052/

So looking at that, where do you invest in digital camera R&D?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Thinking Out Loud: EOS 7D Mark II Thoughts
« on: December 15, 2013, 02:01:16 AM »
It’s possible that Canon is waiting for Nikon to play their hand first.

If that is the case then a "Canon answer" to Nikon would be at least 1 year "later", possibly longer.

Maybe the problem for Canon is that the 7DII would be limited to the American (and possibly European) market. If it is a more expensive camera than the 70D and is $2000 or more, then what will that do to the number of people that will buy them?

How long until the American/European market catches on to mirrorless?

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EOS Bodies / Re: A New EOS M with EVF Second Half of 2014?
« on: December 09, 2013, 12:26:50 PM »
A eos-m with evf would be amazing! Who likes looking at a LCD screen for photos..

Tens of millions of people that every day use their smart phone to take a picture.

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