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I'm with you on this, RLPhoto.  Any perceived/imagined DR "problem" is all too easy to work around.

Oh my, we're going full circle, aren't we? Just as I thought even the fiercest dr antagonists seem to conclude that for some applications (think "noon beach volleyball") 11ev or 14ev dr might make a real difference, it's back to square one with everything "easy to work around" :-p

It's called going with the flow and siding with what appears to be the best idea/argument at the time.

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It's amazing how many electrons can be expended discussing/fighting-over minutia.  Just because an observer can find a difference between Sony and Canon sensors doesn't mean that the difference plays any meaningful role in serious image production.

I'm with you on this, RLPhoto.  Any perceived/imagined DR "problem" is all too easy to work around. 

To me, it's as if DRones use this small (yes, observable, but only under test conditions) difference as an excuse for being _unable_ to make a great image.  It's as if they're saying "... if only I had [fill in the blank] I'd be able to make great images.  But because I don't have, I can't and won't."

There are limitations with any piece of equipment.

Some limitations can be worked around, some cannot.

When you see that a different brand of equipment doesn't have the same limitations as yours and that the limitations the other brand doesn't have limit what you can do with your equipment then it would seem to me to be only natural to desire that limitation removed from the equipment that you own.

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EOS Bodies / Re: High Megapixel Camera to Come in Two Variants? [CR1]
« on: October 11, 2014, 02:23:42 AM »
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Fundamentally, I don't think you understand landscape photography, Dilbert. Just like I generally don't think you understand cameras, camera technology or photography. Just look around at some of the most highly rated landscape photos on sites like 500px, 1x, etc. The majority make exquisite use of wide angle lenses to bring in both foreground and background elements. Sometimes the foreground may just be interesting patterns in foreground sand, other times it may be an interesting log or stump. In almost every case, the foreground element helps solidify the sense of depth and create interesting, and yes possibly unexpected, relationships between foreground and background.

I'll take that into consideration.

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Here ya go, dilbert:
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Yes, then I'll be able to come back and taunt you all with pictures that your Canon cameras can't match :D
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I don't see a vow anywhere in that text.

You've stated your intentions of taunting Canon users with pictures that our Canon cameras can't match. That's the point. Nitpicking over semantics is merely an attempt to divert focus from your stated intentions, which you claim you never stated: ie "taunt you all with pictures that your Canon cameras can't match." 

Replacing "vow" with "state" or "express" doesn't change the context of you said in the least bit. Nice try, though.

Wow, you're really focused on conflict, aren't you? Semantics are important, as is knowing how to read a sentence for what it says rather than what it doesn't say.

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Actually, what it will come with is a tripod mount that attaches to the lens, thereby shifting the center of gravity and the weight that the ball friction needs to keep horizontal. As it stands, in the 70-300 range, I'm only aware of the Canon 70-300L having a lens collar for tripods.

Yeah, keep blaming the gear, buddy. I've shot with heavy long lenses without tripod collars more times than I can count. A sturdy tripod, a cable release, and locking up the mirror works wonders.

I'm guessing that the gear you're using is completely different to that which I use on a regular basis as you have different regular operating requirements.

Possibly, but since you brought up a 70-300, I presume we're talking about long lenses, in which case my experience applying the aforementioned techniques (sturdy tripod, cable release, mirror lock) with a 70-300L, 70-200 f/2.8L, and 100-400L are still applicable to the discussion.

Actually, the tripod itself is not as important as the head that is mounted on it because not all heads are the same when it comes to ball heads.

Don't know how many read this:
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/8192473209/battle-of-the-titans-top-ball-heads-tested

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I'd say for every 2 out of three drones, the photos they actually produce are garbage. Now I'm speaking about the drones that come here to complain so fiercely that when we actually scrutinize the photos the produce, they fall flat on their face.

Careful. I get flamed every time I make a similar observation. According to some of the most vocal DR "advocates," most people seeking more DR do indeed produce stunning images.......it's just that they keep those images top secret, and no one is allowed to see them.
I think you mistake that I want to be correct on that statement. I really hope that I'm wrong and a Droner can prove me wrong. IE: dilbert.

I'm probably just like everyone else where probably less than 3% of my images are what I'd call "postcard" quality.
That sounds like you have a lot of work on and DR would be the least of those things.

Twelve significant photographs in any one year is a good crop.
And I'm sure DR is only a miniscule part of making those photos.

No but it helps.
Not as much as a proper ball head. ;)

haha! Yes, indeed :)

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Actually, what it will come with is a tripod mount that attaches to the lens, thereby shifting the center of gravity and the weight that the ball friction needs to keep horizontal. As it stands, in the 70-300 range, I'm only aware of the Canon 70-300L having a lens collar for tripods.

Yeah, keep blaming the gear, buddy. I've shot with heavy long lenses without tripod collars more times than I can count. A sturdy tripod, a cable release, and locking up the mirror works wonders.

I'm guessing that the gear you're using is completely different to that which I use on a regular basis as you have different regular operating requirements.

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I'd say for every 2 out of three drones, the photos they actually produce are garbage. Now I'm speaking about the drones that come here to complain so fiercely that when we actually scrutinize the photos the produce, they fall flat on their face.

Careful. I get flamed every time I make a similar observation. According to some of the most vocal DR "advocates," most people seeking more DR do indeed produce stunning images.......it's just that they keep those images top secret, and no one is allowed to see them.
I think you mistake that I want to be correct on that statement. I really hope that I'm wrong and a Droner can prove me wrong. IE: dilbert.

I'm probably just like everyone else where probably less than 3% of my images are what I'd call "postcard" quality.
That sounds like you have a lot of work on and DR would be the least of those things.

Twelve significant photographs in any one year is a good crop.
And I'm sure DR is only a miniscule part of making those photos.

No but it helps.

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Here ya go, dilbert:
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Yes, then I'll be able to come back and taunt you all with pictures that your Canon cameras can't match :D
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I don't see a vow anywhere in that text.

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The latter group far and away outnumbers the former.

This has left me confused - how would you know that? Or are you just talking of the number of posters in this thread?

There were close to 14 million dSLRs sold last year.  How many of those people do you think know what low ISO DR is, much less care about it?

I did forget to mention an intermediate (but still minority) group...those who know what it is, care about it, but do not think it's the most important factor in camera performance or even in image quality.  Based on posts from members of this forum, I suspect even that group outnumbers those for whom DR means everything about IQ and camera performance.

Thinking of the percentage of DSLR owners I know personally (not on forums), I am going to go with about 5%, 700K. I would also guess that there are 12 million of them that never get past the point of using the running man, head or mountain settings.

Yup!

But if I might contrast this with a recent survey, of the first 30-something images on flickr's front page, roughly 1/3 were at ISO 100 and about 1/16 were ISO 1000 or greater.

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My attempt to keep things on a scientific/theoretical/factual/evidentiary basis was itself eventually used against me.

If you tried to have a conversation with a devout catholic about the lack of scientific evidence that there is a God, is it going to be a fruitful discussion? I suspect not. And thus being "anti-DRone" has become a religion for some meaning that...

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Apparently, now, theories and math and known facts are all useless and pointless...only the experience of a handful of pros matters, and what a pro says goes.

Exactly this.

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As far as I am concerned, the DRones vs. anti-DRones is exactly that: people vs. people. The last month or so, it hasn't really had anything to do with hardware or science or evidence. It's had to do with the anti-people being anti-people, about a certain group of people. That's just wrong. OF COURSE that's going to increase tensions. Of course that's going to lead to the opposing side ratcheting it up, and getting personal about things themselves. It's all a mess.

But it doesn't need to get personal, in fact there is never a need for it to get personal. And we both know who is the worst when it comes to making insinuating comments/personal insults/remarks on this topic that are completely uncalled for. But it is how they think they can win the debate: divert attention away from the subject at hand and attack the person presenting the material/topic. By attacking/discrediting the speaker they thus hope to undermine the assertion that they disbelieve. I see this time and again here and to me, it is childish politics that is not at all intellectual, never mind mature. But seemingly, some people don't know how to behave or communicate in any other way, so what do you do? Nothing but ignore it or call it out.

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The simple fact of the matter is the DR issue isn't going to go anywhere until Canon makes it go somewhere. To many people, it matters, to some people it matters a LOT. This community is going to have to come to grips with that. It doesn't matter if you agree...there should always be a way to be reasonable about it. Flinging insults, insultingly calling people DRones, constantly being spiteful, etc. isn't the solution.

Agree 1000%.

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If you disagree with someone, you can just call them a "DRone" and label them as talentless geeks who shoot lens caps all day.

It won't be resolved. This is the internet after all, where pigheaded people can argue all day, and forget everything about a civil discussion.

This is the sad truth.

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I'd say for every 2 out of three drones, the photos they actually produce are garbage. Now I'm speaking about the drones that come here to complain so fiercely that when we actually scrutinize the photos the produce, they fall flat on their face.

Careful. I get flamed every time I make a similar observation. According to some of the most vocal DR "advocates," most people seeking more DR do indeed produce stunning images.......it's just that they keep those images top secret, and no one is allowed to see them.
I think you mistake that I want to be correct on that statement. I really hope that I'm wrong and a Droner can prove me wrong. IE: dilbert.

I'm probably just like everyone else where probably less than 3% of my images are what I'd call "postcard" quality.

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  • The people that are never satisfied no matter how good their gear is.
  • Trolls Trolls TROLLS will you stop feeding the TROLLS ALREADY. 

In this case, imho it's rather easy to tell trolls apart from people really struggling with the sensor:

There's a fix for low dr at low iso available, it's called Magic Lantern, it gives you 14.5ev+, installation only takes a couple of minutes and it's free. Unless someone has tried ML and evaluated if this software fix works for him/her, crying that one's pictures are crappy because of low dr is trolling.

Sorry, but needing to go to 3rd party vendors to maximize the potential of your camera should not be required. It also puts the warranty of the camera at risk = there are very good reasons to not use ML.

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I'd say for every 2 out of three drones, the photos they actually produce are garbage. Now I'm speaking about the drones that come here to complain so fiercely that when we actually scrutinize the photos the produce, they fall flat on their face.

Careful. I get flamed every time I make a similar observation. According to some of the most vocal DR "advocates," most people seeking more DR do indeed produce stunning images.......it's just that they keep those images top secret, and no one is allowed to see them.
I think you mistake that I want to be correct on that statement. I really hope that I'm wrong and a Droner can prove me wrong. IE: dilbert.

I'd love to be proven wrong. dilbert has vowed to post images that makes Canon shooters envious once he switches to SoNikon.

Strange, I don't recall ever making any such vow.


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For his sake, hopefully that new camera will come in a bundle that includes a functioning ballhead and cable release.

Actually, what it will come with is a tripod mount that attaches to the lens, thereby shifting the center of gravity and the weight that the ball friction needs to keep horizontal. As it stands, in the 70-300 range, I'm only aware of the Canon 70-300L having a lens collar for tripods.

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