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EOS Bodies / Re: Big Megapixel Camera in 2014
« on: February 11, 2013, 01:58:15 AM »
Don't be so fixed on megapixels as being the only problem that needs attention.

What needs addressing is IQ. A combination of more megapixels and improvements in noise, DR, etc, is what is sought.

In essence, this is what the entire Canon community (apart from a few deniers such as yourself) seem to be saying - a new camera that costs $800-$900 more but my pictures are pretty much the same as before. WTF?

First, what makes you think I'm 'fixed on megapixels'?? I'm quite happy with the 18 MP that I have. Also, in case it escaped your notice, this rumor thread is about a high MP Canon body...no guarantee of better IQ, and as I alluded to earlier, high MP doesn't mean 'better'.

Because when I was critical of the 5D3 sensor (without being specific), you mentioned megapixels.

But I do agree - more megapixels does not necessarily mean better IQ.

If Canon do deliver more MP and the IQ is about the same then they'll quite likely get blasted again.

More and more, people want discernibly better IQ, not just more MP or the same MP.

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Second, I do take issue with your statements that Canon's current sensors are somehow 'bad'.  I'm not saying they're the best on the market, they're not...but implying they're sub-par is rather disingenuous.

Ok, that's just a battle of words that would make lawyers rub their hands with glee.

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Third, who the heck is 'the entire Canon community'?  I can only assume you're referring to the tiny minority of people here bitching about Canon's 'terribly low DR' and 'horrible, shot-destroying pattern noise.'  The 'Canon community' and in fact, the dSLR-buying community at large seems to be quite pleased with the 5DIII, and with Canon in general.

Yes, they're so please with them that online vendors have effectively had fire sales to get rid of stock. e.g. Adorama's(?) sale of 900+ units at $2750. So a store bought a lot of them from Canon and obviously they didn't walk out as quickly as imagined, so the store had to take emergency measures to offload them.

If Canon hadn't of introduced MAP, the price of the 5D Mark III would probably now be at around $2800 everywhere, if not lower.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Big Megapixel Camera in 2014
« on: February 10, 2013, 08:59:12 PM »
So Canon did all of this yet there are stories already about a quick replacement of the 5D3? Well, that tells you how important that list of "improvements" that you listed is, doesn't it?

It tells me nothing. There have been 'stories' of a new 100-400L for what...7-8 years?  There have even been at least two patents. Where's the lens? Stories.

As for a 5DIII 'replacement', I'd say BS and wishful thinking.  Many of the people clamoring for a high MP camera from Canon don't want to pay the price for a 1-series body, and from such dreams, rumors are born.

Don't be so fixed on megapixels as being the only problem that needs attention.

What needs addressing is IQ. A combination of more megapixels and improvements in noise, DR, etc, is what is sought.

In essence, this is what the entire Canon community (apart from a few deniers such as yourself) seem to be saying - a new camera that costs $800-$900 more but my pictures are pretty much the same as before. WTF?

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Let me put this another way. If I pick up and use a 5D Mark III, what am I going to notice as being significantly better aside from the AF? Nothing. What do I see as being better when I look at the images on my computer? Nothing.

So $800 or $900 more for improved AF.

Sorry, I completely disagree with that conclusion.  With a few notable (and *cough* vociferous) minority exceptions, the consensus was that the sensor-based IQ of the 5DII was excellent - it wasn't broke, and Canon didn't fix it.  Because of that excellent IQ, many people used the 5DII for tasks for which it's not ideal.  There's a reason I and a whole bunch of other people had both a 5DII and a 7D.  What Canon did with the 5DIII was, IMO, huge.  They took a camera with already excellent IQ, and improved substantially on the overall performance. 

For 5DII tripod-only, ISO 100 shooters, I can see the incremental nature of the upgrade. But if that's you, the answer is simple - keep your 5DII.

You state, "If I pick up and use a 5D Mark III...," which I take to mean you haven't.

After a couple years shooting a 7D and a 5DII, when I tried out a 5DIII what I immediately noticed was that it felt 'fast'. For example, the difference between the ~200 ms shutter lag of the 5DII and the ~100 ms lag of the 5DIII is very apparent.

From the ones I've picked up in stores, I've not noticed any difference. If I pick up a stop watch and time 1/10th of a second vs 1/20th of a second, it is almost impossible to do manually because the resolution of my finger pressing ability is not that fine.

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My overall impression of the 5DIII is that using it feels like using a 7D from a performance standpoint, and it delivers the IQ of the 5DII - that's a powerful combination, and whereas the 5DII was liked (almost exclusively) for its IQ, the 5DIII is, IMO, the best all-around dSLR on the market.

Except that for the price the IQ is very very ordinary.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Big Megapixel Camera in 2014
« on: February 10, 2013, 08:40:16 AM »
In short, the only thing that Canon really got right with the 5D Mark III was autofocus (probably because that was the leading criticism from the 5D Mark II) but in fixing that, it is almost like they ignored the rest of the camera (sensor included.) Oops!

Yep.  The 50% faster frame rate, better sealing, better viewfinder, dual card slots, shutter lag reduced by half, better metering, better ergonomics including a multicontroller on the grip, etc., it does seem like Canon ignored everything but the AF.  Right.

So Canon did all of this yet there are stories already about a quick replacement of the 5D3? Well, that tells you how important that list of "improvements" that you listed is, doesn't it?

If I want lots of frames per second then I buy a 1D series or 1DX series. If I want lots of fps, I don't buy the 5D3. Whilst the 5D3 may do more fps than the 5D2, you don't buy a 5D3 if you need high fps because if you do, the number of fps in a 5D3 is not going to be enough. And so on.

Let me put this another way. If I pick up and use a 5D Mark III, what am I going to notice as being significantly better aside from the AF? Nothing. What do I see as being better when I look at the images on my computer? Nothing.

So $800 or $900 more for improved AF.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Cost of Canon 5D mk III
« on: February 10, 2013, 08:10:51 AM »
Unless you NEED the 5D3 now, just wait until there is a special advertised for $2900 or less.

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Lenses / Re: Considering the Zeiss 21
« on: February 10, 2013, 08:07:06 AM »
Canon urgently needs to replace the 16-35 and 17-40. Or at least the 17-40. That's even if they bring out a 14-24 or similar. Otherwise, yes, get the 21 because nothing from Canon compares.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Big Megapixel Camera in 2014
« on: February 10, 2013, 06:55:34 AM »
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EOS 5D X?
A faster update? One suggestion from a known source is that Canon has loose plans to replace and/or update the EOS 5D Mark III quicker than the previous iterations. Could we see one some time in 2014? I would think a direct replacement would be unlikely, however a small, high performance & higher megapixel DSLR would probably have a place in the market.

I'm not surprised. The 5D Mark III has only delivered to a couple of segments of the 5D Mark II's market and the 6D delivers to only one (the amateur) and possibly none. The above rumor is undoubtedly in response to this plus the D800's lower price and the 5D Mark III "sales" that have been in the $2750-$2900 range indicating that Canon got the target price wrong, especially given two key feature comparisons (megapixels, IQ.)

There may also be questions being asked about the feature comparison with the 6D (WiFi, GPS)

In short, the only thing that Canon really got right with the 5D Mark III was autofocus (probably because that was the leading criticism from the 5D Mark II) but in fixing that, it is almost like they ignored the rest of the camera (sensor included.) Oops!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Big Megapixel Camera in 2014
« on: February 09, 2013, 10:33:52 AM »
What will the four lenses be?

1. 200-400. confirmed by many sources and recently an interview. It IS coming.
2. 14-24. Seems likely as the wide angle is where Canon is hurting lots.
3. 50/1.4 or 50/1.8 IS USM? This lens is widely known to be weak wide open. Or the 50/1.2 but that's very young.

After that.. it becomes guess work.

Replace the 17-40 or the 16-35? Both are very week wide open and at 17/16mm respectively.
Replace the 100-400?
Replace the 24-105? It is a very weak "L" lens and newer cameras will need something better for a "kit" lens. Or will it be replaced by the 24-70/f4 as the kit lens?
Another??

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EOS Bodies / Re: Big Megapixel Camera in 2014
« on: February 07, 2013, 08:54:20 AM »
Heh, 5DX.

Admission from Canon that they got the 5D3 wrong? No, not much.

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Lenses / Re: EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x Hands-On Review
« on: February 04, 2013, 10:51:44 PM »

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Just wondering - what if Canon shocked us all and came out with a new sensor that was a new format - a 1.5 or 1.4 APS-C? I know Nikons are already a 1.5x. Is it possible to make the sensor any bigger and still maintain the necessary mirror distance to keep compatibility with EF-S lenses? That would be interesting.

Given that they ditched a well selling 1.3 (APS-H), I can't see them inventing a new crop sensor.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Confirms 70D; Future of Semi-Pro DSLR is FF
« on: February 02, 2013, 12:32:18 AM »
What I find remarkable about the commentary here is the self entitlement that some people seem to have.

But what the CEO is saying is smart and sensible. He sounds like someone that knows what is going on.

He can quite clearly see a future in which it is no longer sensible to be producing DSLRs with APS-C sensors because the IQ/feature difference between them and cameras like the EOS-M range is not significant enough to support the more expensive models.

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Which customer will this make happy?

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: MTF Chart for New Nikon 800mm f/5.6
« on: January 30, 2013, 12:14:43 AM »
Yeah, I saw that too.

Pretty f'ing amazing if it delivers what I think it will.

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PowerShot / Re: Canon Announces 3 Long Zoom PowerShot Cameras
« on: January 29, 2013, 05:45:25 PM »
Canon: Y U NO GIVE 7D MK II???  ;D

Actually, I am expecting it in a while, but still...  ;D
The recent interview with Canon by DC Watch at CES indicated that they did not want to issue a 7D MK II that was just a feature upgrade, but wanted substantial improvements (Thats how I read the translation).  Apparently, its not yet ready.
http://photorumors.com/2013/01/24/canon-eos-7d-successor-will-not-be-announced-at-the-cp-show/

Sure... and there is a pig flying past my window right now too.

All that Canon does is produce minor updates.

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