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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS M Specs
« on: July 22, 2012, 11:28:32 AM »
About the size and weight of a Sony NEX 5n.

Here's the specs:
Canon - 108.6mm x 66.5mm x 32.3mm, 298 grams with battery and memory card
Sony - 110.8mm x 58.8mm x 38.2mm, 269 grams with battery and memory card

The NEX 5n sells for $599.99 without lens and $699.99 with 18-55mm lens. We will find out Canon's prices tomorrow.

Either the EF 85mm f/1.8 (425 grams) or EF 100 f/2.0 (460 grams) would be a good combination with the EF M. Add the EM 22mm f/2.0 and I'd have all the lenses I'd need. YMMV

This (NEX 5n) is the camera that this EOS M is being targeted at, not the NEX 7.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS M Specs
« on: July 22, 2012, 11:27:09 AM »
I'd like to know whether the new EF-M lenses will fit on a DSLR.  The 22mm F2 would be great on a crop body.

Not possible.

The EF-M lenses will not be able to focus on DSLRs due to the difference in distance from the lens to the sensor.

That's why they need an EF/EF-S to EF-M adapter - not because the electronics are different, but to maintain distance to the sensor from the lens.

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anyway back on topic 5D2 vs 5D3 sensor

they are a little bit different:
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5d3 is more color blind and can distinguish less colors than 5d2 (real world implications are very, very complex and i don't know anyone who has looked into the real world differences, all we know is the 5d3 measures the most color blind of any dslr made)

More information please?

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EOS Bodies / Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« on: July 22, 2012, 04:13:30 AM »
I'm certainly with you on that. Not so sure about the M mount, but the rest of the specs are dead on to what I would also like to see from a large optical company like Canon. Especially since they had years to evaluate the market and produce something truly fantastic. This camera is just ridiculous as an entry to an already well established market.

Exactly! It is really about time, Canon comes out with a truly innovative and absolutely amazing camera.

Not gong to happen.

Canon is a/the market leader.

All that Canon is interested in doing is the minimum required to stay on top.

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EOS Bodies / Re: New, cheaper, Canon FF DSLR... 70D?
« on: July 21, 2012, 04:33:09 PM »
There's another possibility and that is the new FF entry level DSLR will have a new label, not just a digit.

i.e. it will be EOS-somthing rather than just 70D or 9D, etc.

EOS-F?

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EOS Bodies / Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« on: July 21, 2012, 12:20:42 PM »
Who is this camera geared towards? Point and shooters that want to feel like they have a small dsrl?

People who do't want to lug around 100lbs of camera gear to take pictures that aren't noisy and lacking in quality.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Poll: What will be the price of first EOS M?
« on: July 21, 2012, 11:24:25 AM »

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EOS Bodies / Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« on: July 21, 2012, 05:32:56 AM »
Does everyone want a camera that is a sub 1000$ Leica?

Of course they do. Just like everyone wants a sub $30000 Ferrari.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Poll: What will be the price of first EOS M?
« on: July 21, 2012, 05:30:51 AM »
why can't we change our vote? I voted thinking that it was a G1X sensor and now that I know it is APS-C, I want to change my vote.

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EOS Bodies / New, cheaper, Canon FF DSLR... 70D?
« on: July 21, 2012, 12:13:00 AM »
Given that Canon seem to be putting APS-C into the EOS M cameras, why wouldn't they be just a bit more aggressive and make the 70D full frame?

Sure, if it debuts at $1999, it is vastly more expensive than what the 60D is today, but over time we should see prices drop.

It also solves the problem of which "digit" to use for the camera in the 6-9 numbering scale.

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Lenses / Re: Which to keep? EF 70-300 IS USM or 70-200 4L IS USM
« on: July 20, 2012, 10:44:16 AM »
Dump the 70-300.

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Lenses / Why did Canon release the 40/2.8 pancake before the A1?
« on: July 20, 2012, 07:50:41 AM »
Any thoughts as to why Canon released the 40/2.8 pancake so far ahead of its mirrorless offering?

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EOS Bodies / Re: A Bit of Mirrorless Informaton [CR3]
« on: July 19, 2012, 01:07:12 PM »
Details are still being confirmed?

What happened to posting specs and just updating them as time goes by?

More rumors, less news!

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Comparing ACR Process 2012 for 5D2 and 5D3 though I'm not seeing the detail advantage for the 5D3. With Neutral +4 sharpended, 0 NR in cam jpgs the 5D3 ones at ISO100 showed definitely more and crisper grabbed detail actually. Using ACR with all settings to 0, I can't see much, maybe 5D2 is a hair crisper per pixel but 5D3 has a hair more pixels, seems pretty similar detail and all between them.

Yeah at ISO100 honestly can't see much between the 5D2 and 5D3 for captured detail using ACR. So I don't see anything to match those saying it pulls in noticeably more detail than the 5D2. OTOH I definitely don't see anything to match those saying the 5D3 is soft and no good either. Honestly they seem pretty much the same using ACR, in that regard. Using in cam jpg neutral profil at +4 sharpening and 0 NR the 5D3 jpgs have less moire/artifacting and pull more detail than 5D2, at least for areas of very strong contrast (it might be the 5D3 fuzzes over low contrast detail more with in cam jpgs, at least with certain profile, didn't check that here though).

That's just what you would expect when you look at the results of the DxO lab tests.

The comparison between JPEGs does not really reflect a difference in sensors, rather a difference in the JPEG rendering algorithms implemented in each camera.

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Lenses / Are these new lenses expected to be sold for 15-20 years?
« on: July 17, 2012, 09:16:30 PM »
When we look at some of Canon's current lenses, such as the 50/1.4, we can see that they either are or are approaching being 20 years old and that their price hasn't changed a whole lot in that time. However in the last 20 years, lots of other things have had rather dramatic price changes, for example houses and cards and last but not least, wages have gone up.

What that makes me wonder is in 10 or 15 years time, will the prices of these new primes with IS still be considered to be "high" or will they have moderated if the price stays the same but our take home salary has increased?

Is Canon delivering new lenses at a higher price with the expectation that they will remain on sale for close to 20 years and that if the price doesn't change then as they approach end-of-life, they will have become as affordable as the current lenses are today?

Is an $800 lens today a $400 lens (in terms of affordability) in 20 years?

Something that I just realised is that Canon have to replace or retire a lens within 26 years of its first manufacturing date as their date code system does not have a way to handle it wrapping.

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