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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« on: September 17, 2012, 08:38:06 AM »
I can't believe they had the gall to charge more than the Nikon D600. Canon's pricing is downright insulting lately.

Canon's pricing policy is pure MARKETING GENIUS....

........any xxD or xxxD owner will aspire to owning a 6D.... the higher initial entry price for the 6D will ensure (listen to the voices on CR over the last 12 hours as proof) that those serious amateur enthusiasts (incl. 7D owners) will now pony up the extra for a 5D3.....

.... meanwhile lots of budding videographers (look at the Canon 6D  Press Release - it mentions 3 categories of user: PHOTOGRAPHERS, VIDEOGRAPHERS & CINEMATOGRAPHERS - 2 out of 3 are video users) will happily pay 2 grand for a FF DSLR video cam with low-light capability as well as compatibility with the new STM lenses


.... read the threads on this forum re. 6D, commentators have polarized into 2 distinct groups:

 (1) those who have their credit cards out and cannot wait till October to get their hands on a 6D

It isn't arriving in October, it is arriving in December.

What that means is that web sites like dpreview will not be able to do a full production model review before Christmas, thus they prevent any negative press from reviews impacting Christmas buying..

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« on: September 17, 2012, 08:19:34 AM »
wow ... http://home.comcast.net/~NikonD70/Charts/PDR.htm#EOS%205D%20Mark%20III,D600,D800

D600 sensor has same DR as D800 ... 6D will suck air.

Lol, do you think that matters with Canon or the customers? Sensor is the last thing that matters to regular public. They will more likely attracted by the bundled package including free UV filter, lens cleaning brush, and of course Canon's award winning customer service.

They won't care about the free UV filter, etc, it will be "ooh, that camera has 24megapixels and this one only has 20, I want the one with more!"
Suuure nobody reads the reviews.. The customers (at this price range) spend their 3k on a camera just because it has more megapixels than the rival model... Yea sure..

They guy who spends that amount of money for a camera is probably not part of the "regular public" (whatever that means).

For the 6D to review better than the D600 it has to produce better quality images than the 5D3 and the D800.

That's not going to happen.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon Announced the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« on: September 17, 2012, 08:18:09 AM »
Does Canon know how badly it has delivered with the 6D?

Will we have to wait 3 to 4 years for it to be replaced with something that might be worthwhile?

Or will Canon wake up and deliver a replacement in 12 to 18 months?

The EOS 6D will outsell the 7D...period. It will become one of Canon's biggest selling digital  interchangeable lens cameras of all time

That remains to be seen.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« on: September 17, 2012, 08:11:23 AM »
So far, this looks like a very weak offer from Canon -and why have they bothered developing a new 20.2MP sensor, when they already have 18MP and 22MP sensors that are less than a year old?

Canon's lesson from the 1Ds3/5D2 having the same sensor resolution (but huge price difference) is that the one with the lesser price will steal sales from the more expensive one.

Thus the 6D was not allowed to have the same megapixels (or more) than the 5D3.

Whereas Nikon now has 24MP for full frame (D600) and APS-C (D3200). The D3200 isn't even their top of the line APS-C DSLR.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« on: September 17, 2012, 07:39:43 AM »
Does Canon know how badly it has delivered with the 6D?

Will we have to wait 3 to 4 years for it to be replaced with something that might be worthwhile?

Or will Canon wake up and deliver a replacement in 12 to 18 months?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Describe the 6D in one word...
« on: September 17, 2012, 07:01:17 AM »
Surely I can't be the only xxD user excited about this camera?

  • I really can't justify spending more than 2K on a body (or any photo/electronics purchase for that matter), & this sucker should be down close to early 7D money pretty soon
  • remote control with live view from Android or iOS app
  • built-in geotagging
  • awesome low-light performance
  • AF better than my current 40D, which is already pretty good
  • AF better than 5DII (pretty much the same unit as the 40D's as I understand it)

Yes, the AF is not as good as the D600, and I'm hoping there are some more new lenses coming down the pipe before the end of the year, but I think this camera will take the place of the 5DII in the lineup, & they'll sell tons of them.

The 5DII sold well because it was a ground breaking camera with respect to video (full frame!) as well as its photographic performance for the price. The 6D does not have the luxury of being ground breaking in any area.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 06:57:48 AM »
If you were me, 6D vs D600?  What do I choose?  I'm not deeply invested in lenses so I can still switch.  I'm mainly a landscape/macro/portrait photographer.

D600

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EOS Bodies / Re: Describe the 6D in one word...
« on: September 17, 2012, 06:52:14 AM »
one word? I got several that fit the scheme.
1.sucks
2.disappointment
3.really?
and lastly Canon made a good step pushing me to the dark side...

1. the AF sucks
2. no reason to ''upgrade'' from 5D2
3. disappointment

''and lastly Canon made a good step pushing me to the dark side...''
totally agree...

the only strong point that 6D can have over Nikon D600 will be IQ at high ISO, but I do not do many illusions...

Evidence is emerging that the D600's sensor performs at the same level as the D800 and the D800 is already better than the 5D3 at every ISO under 1600 and even when over, it's not a big difference.

So The 6D would have to outclass the 5D3 by a large margin to be significantly better than the D600.

And we all know that there is no way that the 6D is going to have a sensor that performs better than the 5D3.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon Announced the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« on: September 17, 2012, 06:47:32 AM »
*yawn*

Is this really the best that Canon could come up with for this price point?

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EOS Bodies / Re: When it could be presented the new Canon 70D?
« on: September 17, 2012, 06:46:37 AM »
MARCH 2013 Canon will launch an EOS 70D as the new flagship 18MP APS-C sensor body for $1299

If they do, it'll be dead on arrival.

It will need at least 24MP or it will fail.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« on: September 17, 2012, 06:45:24 AM »
wow ... http://home.comcast.net/~NikonD70/Charts/PDR.htm#EOS%205D%20Mark%20III,D600,D800

D600 sensor has same DR as D800 ... 6D will suck air.

Lol, do you think that matters with Canon or the customers? Sensor is the last thing that matters to regular public. They will more likely attracted by the bundled package including free UV filter, lens cleaning brush, and of course Canon's award winning customer service.

They won't care about the free UV filter, etc, it will be "ooh, that camera has 24megapixels and this one only has 20, I want the one with more!"

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 04:45:51 AM »
yup.  sorry, I misquote.  no touchscreen indeed.  I wonder what could be the justifying reason for 2099?

because they can. 

canon is more and more a camera company for the mass-market-facebook-shooter.

nikon becomes the company for serious photographers without a fortune to spend... im really sorry to say that.

Something tells me that it was always thus and that the D1-D2x period of Nikon was them forgetting their way. Time to stop pretending that Canon is for serious photographers.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« on: September 17, 2012, 04:44:14 AM »
Well it is now confirmed that the 6D has 11 point AF with only one cross type point.

So you'll be using the old focus and recompose technique, no matter which camera you pick.

If I were you, I'd abandon ship and go for the D600. Looks like a much much better camera.

+1

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 12:05:13 AM »
Okay, Somebody sell this to me. Why do I need AMFA?

Because the combination of random camera from the factory and random lens from the factory can result in pictures being unfocused even when the autofocus thinks it is correct.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 16, 2012, 11:59:42 PM »
I think we should withhold judgement until we see IQ and noise control from this 20.2 megapixel sensor. Because in the end, isn't that what really matters?

yeah but it will be tough to beat the D600 if the D600 is exmor and if it does come close then what the heck were they thinking saving their best tech for the 6D and putting old tech in the king pin 5D3 and 1DX???

What if the 6D was always intended for Photokina (Sep 2012) and the 5D3 was intended for Sep 2011 but due to the earthquake last year, it was put back 6 months?

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