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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??
« on: April 28, 2012, 04:08:00 PM »
Or to put it differently, how would the 7D Mark II sell against a full frame camera that was priced sub-$2000?
You forget that there are a significant number of people who want the reach of a crop. A ~20MP crop camera with great IQ holds great appeal for people who shoot at a distance.

Riddle me this.

If you could buy a Canon DSLR today that was full frame but cropped was 18-20MP, would you buy it and crop or would you use the pictures as they were? Or if there was a crop mode for use with L lenses, would you use it?

If the 7D2 had 61-pt AF, 8+ fps, top-of-the-line weather sealing, etc., and the entry-level FF just had image quality and ISO going for it. Even if it takes a lot of corner-cutting to offset the extra cost of the FF sensor, there are a lot of corners to cut in such a complicated device.

Just buy yourself a 1D series camera, ok?

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D MK3 vs. D800 - fredmiranda
« on: April 28, 2012, 03:54:12 PM »
Dammit, so that means I cannot take good photos now?

No, it just means that if you took the same photo as someone else with a D800 using ISO 100-400 that the D800 image would always be better.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D MK3 vs. D800 - fredmiranda
« on: April 28, 2012, 01:59:08 PM »
We have all seen how well the d800 handles shadow detail, and I am impressed. I just wonder is it done at the expense of high lights? Has anyone done any comparisons in that area? I do a lot of landscapes and was considering the new 5d, but at 500 less and the price of a great zoom for a d800 i have much to think about!!

You should ask that sort of question about the D800 over on the luminous-landscape.com forums.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??
« on: April 28, 2012, 01:57:58 PM »
If the rumors of a Nikon D600 at 24MP are correct and it will sell at around $1500, then you can kiss goodbye to any hopes of a 7D Mark II. There just isn't space to put a product like it into the lineup and have it sell competitively against the competition.

Or to put it differently, how would the 7D Mark II sell against a full frame camera that was priced sub-$2000?

Whilst the current 5D2 is at around $2100, the rumors for the Nikon D600 put it at $1500. There's no way on earth Canon would officially sell the 5D2 at that price. If Canon were to introduce an entry-level FF camera at that price point then it would get in the way of the 7D2 (if that remained a APS-C.)

So I cannot see the future having any room for a crop-sensor 7D Mark II.

And at 24MP, a $1500 Nikon full frame D600 would take a lot of life out of 5D2 sales. The only people that would continue to buy the 5D2 after that would be people with lesser Canon DSLRs that already own full-frame lenses and don't want to switch to Nikon.

When I look at the 5D3 from a strategic point of view, the only context it makes sense in is one where it is a $3500 servicing of the 5D2 to fix focusing and other issues. Or as some have put it, the 5D3 is what the 5D2 should have been only 3.5 years too late. Otherwise nothing about it as a product makes sense. So once you arrive at that conclusion (that the 5D3 doesn't make sense), then you can be much more open minded about what full frame cameras Canon can introduce during the remainder of the year.

EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: 48fps - Too Fast?
« on: April 28, 2012, 12:58:02 PM »
One outcome of 48fps shooting should be that the 3D version will be 24fps for both eyes, rather than 12fps for each eye, which should make the 3D easier on the eyes for a lot of people.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D MK3 vs. D800 - fredmiranda
« on: April 28, 2012, 11:57:03 AM »
From that review, it is this page:


That is most interesting. Why?

Because about half way down, they take the same shot from the D800/5D3 and 100% crop of the shadows.

The image from the Canon sensor is as noisy as all hell (splotchy? banded?) whereas the Nikon one is noise free. That tells me that Canon still haven't fixed the noise issues that were integral with the 5D2.

That's now got me working out whether I can fit a D800E plus lenses into my budget because it just miles ahead of anything that Canon is doing or can demonstrate. The only thing that will dissuade me from expanding my camera and lens portfolio is if the 1DX is clean with similar treatment as that would mean that Canon does have the technology required and that they just haven't applied it to the 5D3's sensor.

That photo, of the lack of shadow noise from the D800 is all that I need to see to know how good the D800 sensor is. I don't need to look at any DxO charts or anything else. Time to add a D800E, shutter release and pair of lenses to my kit and forget about my Canon stuff because the D800 simply is that much better.

EOS Bodies / EF-S lenses?
« on: April 28, 2012, 10:37:33 AM »
If Canon continues to push FF further down into its product range, what does that mean for EF-S lenses?
Do they become the bridging lens format used by APS-C cameras until FF was affordable?
Or do they get supported by some sort of small NEX-like mirrorless camera?

So the digital camera market is eating itself alive?

If APS-C is going to become the mirror-less format of choice for prosumers and in a few years, FF picks up where APS-C used to be (~$1500), then life will be interesting.

In the pursuit of more megapixels, he who has the larger sensor wins. So for the consumer that always wants more megapixels, the FF camera should always be able to win (all else being equal) so if you don't have a FF sensor camera, then you can't compete above a certain price point. Catch is, not too many people printing FF CMOS sensors so ....

This may push some out of the market, to fold, or reduce product lines.

Lenses / Re: Canon 50 1.4 worth the upgrade?
« on: April 26, 2012, 09:42:28 AM »
The 50/1.8 was just too fragile for me.

Speedlites, Printers, Accessories / Re: BG-E11 Delayed
« on: April 26, 2012, 09:39:54 AM »
News at 11, another Canon product is delayed.

Maybe Canon should change their product announcements into product rumor announcements and give them a CR# for their guesstimate as to how many months before consumers get them.

A review of this lens:

The graphs look pretty normal - peak in lens resolution at somewhere around f/5.6 to f/8.0. For a landscape shot, at f/8 or f/11, it's going to be pretty damn good.

Interestingly, even though the center peaks at 8.0, it is also at around this point when the entire image is of similar resolution - exactly what you want and need for a good landscape shot.

To read the graph in a different manner, if you're shooting portrait at 2.8, looking for nice bokeh with your subject centered then the drop off in resolution towards the edge is not going to harm the picture at all.

Cant wait to see how till this will compete against canons 24-70L II. My tamron 28-75 comes pretty close to my 24-70L

Here's a special site just for the 24-70 Tamoron. And as pointed out by others, all shots at 5,6 or narrower, not very comforting.


All the shots are at 5,6 because otherwise parts of the shots would be out of focus.

The photographs were taken by a professional photographer who is showing what the lens can do. There's more to any lens than what it can shoot at maximum aperture.

If any of those photos had of been taken at 2.8 then critical parts of the subject matter would have been out of focus. Seems to me that people criticising the lack of 2.8 pics are arm chair internet experts rather than photographers.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D600
« on: April 26, 2012, 05:37:04 AM »
Nikon's pushing hard.  Gotta love competition!  Now if they could only deliver their products :)  I look around quite a bit on NR and there are quite a few people upset about not receiving d800s yet.
By the way, I think the only reason to why there are so many 5D3's in stock is because most 5D2 owners has decided to keep their camera.

In stock? Where? My order with B&H is back-ordered, and they are still trying to fill orders from March from what I hear...

Canon can't ship all 5D3s to B&H.

Maybe you should try finding a store that has them rather than relying on B&H.


Hi guys,
This is my first time doing landscape. As a newbie, I will take any feedbacks that you may have - I will take it as "LESSON & LEARN"



Next time, use a lens other than the 16-35. Try the 24-70 Mk II. Should help you discover what your subjects are.

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