October 20, 2014, 07:29:13 PM

Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.


Messages - dilbert

Pages: 1 ... 115 116 [117] 118 119 ... 206
1741
EOS Bodies / Re: Canon is out foxed.
« on: September 15, 2012, 10:37:28 AM »
Nikon and Sony have completely out foxed Canon.

Canon's first big mistake was putting only 22MP in the 5D3 with a sensor that performs about the same as the 5D2.

Having learnt from the lesson of the 1Ds3/5D2, Canon did not want to introduce a "lesser camera" (6D) than the 5D3 with the same sensor because lots of would-be purchasers of the 5D3 would simply buy the 6D instead. So the 6D will have 20MP to stop it stealing sales from those who want more MP (22) from the 5D3.

Where Nikon has outfoxed Canon is that their camera at about the same price ($2099 is close enough to $1999) but with 20% more pixels. Nikon were able to deliver a 24MP FF camera at $2099 because their next model up camera has substantially more megapixels - 36.

Canon's product lineup below the 1DX is screwed. They really need to throw it out and start over.

And why does Canon need to do that?

Because the number of megapixels in their sensors is now too low. And if megapixels didn't matter then why wouldn't the 6D have the same, if not more, than the 5D3?

You must have gotten the MP kool-aid.  MP's aren't everything!  If the rumored specs said 24 MP, would that and that alone make this on par?  No.  Where the d800 differentiates itself from the mk3 isn't in mp's, but in IQ and DR at ISO 100-800, and above ISO 800 Canon takes the lead in both IQ and DR.

Back to why these specs suck.  It isn't MP's --- if it said 40 MP's it would still suck due to only having 11 AF points with 1 cross type at the center, and sd card only memory (unless this new sensor fixed the DR issues - but if it did, then the 6d would be closer to $2800).  Those are really the biggest issues. It's 2012, we shouldn't have to center point recompose on a brand new $2000 camera.  I could even deal with SD only if the AF was actually modern - it doesn't need to be the 61 point of the mk3, but dang it use the 21 point from 7d or the 45 point from the 1d4.  If it had at least that then it would be a worthy purchase and sit on my left side as backup to my mk3 (if the ISO performance is close to that of the mk3).  As it stands, the throwback to 2008 AF is useless, and SD only would prevent any kind of burst shooting due because SD wouldn't be able to handle writing at higher speeds.  So sorry, while I agree these specs are a big fail --- it isn't because of MP's...

Why is the number of AF points a better measuring stick than megapixels?
I typically only use 1 AF point, so if the camera has 65, 64 of them are useless to me.
And when one isn't good enough, I use live view.

Whereas I can use every megapixel with every photograph.

As it is with AF points, it is the quality of them that matters more than the number of them. If the 6D had 39 AF points that worked about as well as the 5D2's 11 then it wouldn't matter if it had 39 or 390 - only one of them would actually be of use. So it all depends on if the 6D will have 11 AF points then is the AF module simply a 5D2 "spare part" or a completely new module.

Oh, as for SD vs CF. It's a pointless comparison. It's a place to put digital photographs, nothing more. If the camera didn't have such a thing then that would be a problem.

1742
EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D should be $1500
« on: September 15, 2012, 09:55:14 AM »
Yup, at $1200-$1500, this camera would sell. And sell well.

But at the same price as the D600, who's going to buy it?

If you've got an APS-C Canon DSLR and "L" lenses then you're probably in a position to buy the 6D but would you?

When you look at it, $2000 for 24MP Nikon D600 or $2000 for 20MP Canon 6D.

Who's going to think that the Canon is a good purchase? Nobody... people will buy it because they feel like there is no other choice, not because they want to.
Furthermore, I don't understand who will buy this camera anyway.   Who is it really marketed at?   The consumer segment has no clue between APS-C and FF.  FF is not an upgrade over crop, they each have their purpose (you don't upgrade your car by buying a truck, cars haul people and trucks haul stuff).  Those that want to add a FF (like myself), will find the specs inadequate.  So who is this thing for?   All I see is Canon purely reacting to their competitor and not producing  a product for their customers.  Tell me where I'm wrong.

Where you're wrong is that the design and planning for this camera probably started 3 or 4 years ago.

Thus what you see in this design is Canon reacting to what Nkon/Sony were doing then, not now.

The features (including sensor) would have been locked down sometime last year.

1743
EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« on: September 15, 2012, 09:28:52 AM »
My question is:  if it is indeed 20MP, why the heck did they develop yet another FF sensor?

They're Canon. They did it because they can.

As long as they can increase the DR, 20MP is enough.

I agree with increasing the DR, but I'm skeptical as any other. Not saying it's impossible, because people did welcome the 5D series and knew what they were sacrificing performance wise, just so they could get the IQ. The 5D mark III is a beast with it's AF performance. A lower 5D with more DR is what we're all hoping for, judging from Canon's habits... Most likely not going to happen. As for the sensor, they do make their own sensor unlike Nikon who has to depend on Sony. Canon has repeatedly used the 7D sensor without releasing completely brand new sensors (aside from small tweaks) in the crop line, and perhaps in that time they developed a secret line of new sensors including what's rumored to be this 20mp one. Or... They just used that time to develop their new Cinema cameras, and we're still pretty much screwed for new bodies until they can recover. In the meantime while we all wait for that, I'm still enjoying shooting because of Canon's awesome lens lineup.

An increase in DR won't make any difference if it has fewer than 24MP.

It would need to have some kind of extraordinary DR, like 16 or 18 stops, maybe 20, for it to make up for the lack of megapixels in the eyes of the average DSLR shopper.

I thought with the 22MP 5D3 that Canon would do something special for video because of the 3:1 ratio for 1920x1080 but it has delivered nothing special, so we were all wrong about that.

All of this means that Canon's strategy for this evolution of sensors and cameras is wrong.

nothing stopped D700 to be a good seller compared to 5D2.  WTH I'm just looking for a DR of 15 for 20MP.  16 will be heaven.  If they can deliver it, for $1700, even with 9 AF points all cross-type, I'll buy it in an instant.

The sales of the D700 were nothing compared to the 5D2.
Yes, the D700 sold, but in nowhere near the numbers of the 5D2.
So as a matter of fact, the 5D2 did eat up a lot of potential D700 sales.

1744
I think we can see how Canon will respond - with a very forgetful camera.

1745
EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« on: September 15, 2012, 08:50:10 AM »
My question is:  if it is indeed 20MP, why the heck did they develop yet another FF sensor?

They're Canon. They did it because they can.

As long as they can increase the DR, 20MP is enough.

I agree with increasing the DR, but I'm skeptical as any other. Not saying it's impossible, because people did welcome the 5D series and knew what they were sacrificing performance wise, just so they could get the IQ. The 5D mark III is a beast with it's AF performance. A lower 5D with more DR is what we're all hoping for, judging from Canon's habits... Most likely not going to happen. As for the sensor, they do make their own sensor unlike Nikon who has to depend on Sony. Canon has repeatedly used the 7D sensor without releasing completely brand new sensors (aside from small tweaks) in the crop line, and perhaps in that time they developed a secret line of new sensors including what's rumored to be this 20mp one. Or... They just used that time to develop their new Cinema cameras, and we're still pretty much screwed for new bodies until they can recover. In the meantime while we all wait for that, I'm still enjoying shooting because of Canon's awesome lens lineup.

An increase in DR won't make any difference if it has fewer than 24MP.

It would need to have some kind of extraordinary DR, like 16 or 18 stops, maybe 20, for it to make up for the lack of megapixels in the eyes of the average DSLR shopper.

I thought with the 22MP 5D3 that Canon would do something special for video because of the 3:1 ratio for 1920x1080 but it has delivered nothing special, so we were all wrong about that.

All of this means that Canon's strategy for this evolution of sensors and cameras is wrong.

1746
EOS Bodies / Re: D600 vs. leaked 6D specs: a comparison
« on: September 15, 2012, 08:45:47 AM »
Thanks Dilbert.  That's a useful consolidation of the known specs.

Maybe you could add "shipping date" to it <grin>

I added "Availability"

1747
EOS Bodies / Re: D600 vs. leaked 6D specs: a comparison
« on: September 15, 2012, 08:12:16 AM »
FeatureNikon D600Canon 6D
Max ISO640025600
Megapixels2420
AF Points3911
Flashbuilt itnone
GPSadd onbuiltin
WiFiadd onbuiltin
FPS5.54.5
Price20991999
Availability5 days after announcementHopefully within 6 months of the announcement

1748
EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« on: September 15, 2012, 08:03:58 AM »
With the leaked specs, this is DOA at $1999.

1749
EOS Bodies / EOS 6D should be $1500
« on: September 15, 2012, 05:32:57 AM »
Yup, at $1200-$1500, this camera would sell. And sell well.

But at the same price as the D600, who's going to buy it?

If you've got an APS-C Canon DSLR and "L" lenses then you're probably in a position to buy the 6D but would you?

When you look at it, $2000 for 24MP Nikon D600 or $2000 for 20MP Canon 6D.

Who's going to think that the Canon is a good purchase? Nobody... people will buy it because they feel like there is no other choice, not because they want to.

1750
EOS Bodies / Canon is out foxed.
« on: September 15, 2012, 05:19:52 AM »
Nikon and Sony have completely out foxed Canon.

Canon's first big mistake was putting only 22MP in the 5D3 with a sensor that performs about the same as the 5D2.

Having learnt from the lesson of the 1Ds3/5D2, Canon did not want to introduce a "lesser camera" (6D) than the 5D3 with the same sensor because lots of would-be purchasers of the 5D3 would simply buy the 6D instead. So the 6D will have 20MP to stop it stealing sales from those who want more MP (22) from the 5D3.

Where Nikon has outfoxed Canon is that their camera at about the same price ($2099 is close enough to $1999) but with 20% more pixels. Nikon were able to deliver a 24MP FF camera at $2099 because their next model up camera has substantially more megapixels - 36.

Canon's product lineup below the 1DX is screwed. They really need to throw it out and start over.

And why does Canon need to do that?

Because the number of megapixels in their sensors is now too low. And if megapixels didn't matter then why wouldn't the 6D have the same, if not more, than the 5D3?

1752
I find it interesting that the D600 released at basically the same price point as the 5dII is at now, retail wise. Makes me wonder if they can really go much lower in terms of retail price than the $2000 mark.

Except that the 5D2 is 4 years old and has been marked down a lot.

The D600 is new.

Just wait until there are deals on the D600 and it has been marked down - then it'll be going for $1900 or $1800.

1753
Is it wrong that my first response to those numbers is excitement over the tamron?

That much better than the excellent mark I? With stabilisation? For me it's a no-brainer (unless Canon decide to release a mark III with IS any time soon)

+1

1754
Third Party Manufacturers / New Pentax K-5 IIs - no AA filter!
« on: September 11, 2012, 07:48:35 AM »
Another manufacturer is now offering a DSLR without the low-pass AA filter - Pentax.

Nikon was first with the D800e and now Pentax with the K-5 IIs.

Will Canon offer us the option?

1755
Is it too small?

Pages: 1 ... 115 116 [117] 118 119 ... 206