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Canon General / Re: Does Canon really deserve this?
« on: November 22, 2014, 09:38:42 PM »
I browse this website quite often since 2012. I have never seen so many negative comments about Canon these days in comparison with before.

Here's my take:

For many, buying into a dslr system is a major investment you cannot revert w/o losing a lot of €€€ and time to re-learn procedures. And of course there's an emotional attachment to a brand that was in your pocket for all your life. For all this time, people were happy with Canon, keeping lenses longer and changing camera bodies more frequently. Canon made a good transition from film to digital.

But now, with mirrorless arriving and sony having more resources (and probably patents) for sensor research, I feel uneasiness grows if you've bet on the right horse. Canon might very well pull a rabbit out of the hat and surprise us all, but flat out denial that further sensor enhancement (dr or resolution) can be can be beneficial to some is counterproductive: No smoke without fire. Calling people names doesn't help either.

Furthermore, with more cpu power there are more opportunities to harvest this new resource - but Canon seems to be very set upon continuing exactly what they've done for the last decade. So apart from the hardware side, a very conservative software policy results in very stable, working products. But question if this balance won't tip to their disadvantage some time - Magic Lantern won't be around forever for the rescue like with focus peaking, raw histogram and raw video.

Last not least, there's the "value" aspect and the pure competition pressure from Nikon/Sony and 3rd party gear (lenses, flashes). If you are able to afford $15k+ gear, I imagine you're fine with Canon. But seeing what offers are around, you wonder if some rubber rings for weather sealing, a lens hood, ..., shouldn't be a given w/o buying their premium model(s).


+1 Very well put!


For me, I like Canon, I think they are one of the best brands available and in most respects they have the best offerings. I do feel they are lagging behind...have been lagging behind, technologically, for some time now. As someone very heavily invested in Canon (to the tune of over $20,000, with a significant chunk of that in one single lens), and who does care about being able to use the best technology available with my very expensive lenses (for a variety of reasons I won't go into), it is frustrating to see Canon innovate in the photography segment as minimally as possible while their competitors innovate up a storm.
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Let me quote you by saying:

+1 Very well put!

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Canon General / Re: Does Canon really deserve this?
« on: November 22, 2014, 08:02:13 PM »
Speak for yourself. I don't care a whit about mirrorless and yet the ways they are behind in sensors does matter to me.

"Ways"...they are behind in base ISO DR.

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And 36MP vs 22MP difference can be seen in prints

I've performed blind and even double blind tests and neither I nor my colleagues could sort the prints. Forgive me if I don't take your word on this one.

You start to see small differences at 30/36". And I would emphasize "start" and "small."

The 5D Mark III can safely do 19"x13" at 300dpi or 16"x11" at 360dpi.

How many DPI do you need?

http://www.digitalphotopro.com/technique/workflow/the-right-resolution.html

To go to 36", you need to drop the printing resolution to 160dpi (192dpi for 30") and then upsample that to your printer's resolution.

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Photography Technique / Re: uneven polarization
« on: November 22, 2014, 09:19:29 AM »
Hi guys,
on my last trips to mountains I encountered some uneven polarization effect. I was wondering, is there any way how to use polarizer and prevent from this effect? Or do you merge more shots to handle it in post processing?

Can you provide an example of what you mean?

If you're referring to the sky then it really depends on where in the sky you are pointing your camera.

The benefit of polarization varies with angular distance from the sun in the sky that you are targeting, If the sun is right behind you or right in front of you, the impact is nothing except darker.

Given that it varies, the amount of polarization will change in a sinusoidal fashion, so there will be a point at which the rate of change is very large and thus quite possible for a zoom'd image to show uneven polarization.

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Photography Technique / Re: travel advice - winter in Yellowstone
« on: November 22, 2014, 09:14:05 AM »
Thanks for any advice!

My advice: Try the search box :->

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=23218.msg452052#msg452052


See, this is why I dislike posting online.  I thought I was explicit enough when I noted the existing post on "what to bring"...  I was looking for "boots on the ground" where to go info, which isn't being discussed in that post as that OP already has a trip organized.

Dilbert, thanks for the Luminous link, some real gems on that site.

You're welcome.

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I'm about to go the same route, I'm picking up a Pentax K-5 iis next week, my first film camera was a Ricoh. S

A friend of mine who is my photography mentor has a K-5 and he loves it. The K-5II is even better.   He almost talked me into getting a K-3 and I am not sure I made the right decision in not getting it.

And the K-3 (along with the Nikon D7100) are both much older than the 7D Mark II (Canon's latest APS-C DSLR) and deliver better IQ right across the range.

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Canon General / Re: Does Canon really deserve this?
« on: November 22, 2014, 08:54:38 AM »
I browse this website quite often since 2012. I have never seen so many negative comments about Canon these days in comparison with before.
Has Canon really not satisfying its customers lately or is it that there are new members in the forum who like to put down Canon in comparison with other companies?

The answer is probably yes.   ;D

:D

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You can't blame them.  That is the whole purpose of these types of forums -- people to share their opinions.

But CR is pretty bad about that.  If you compare CR with say Nikon Rumors, which I also haunt, you will see a world of difference between the types of posts.  That is one of the reasons I like to hang out here.  Not only do I still shoot Canon but the entertainment value of CR far surpasses the other camera forums.

Interesting that you've bought into another camera system aside from Canon :)

I think Canon has been quite conservative lately and the criticism is not entirely of base. The dynamic range conversation is stupid, but I acknowledge Canon lags behind in that department.

I'm a little annoyed at the number of bodies they put the 18mp sensor in, t2i, t3i, t4i, t5i, t5, sl1, 60d, 7d, and the mirror less... seriously... if you do portrait or landscape, there hasn't been a rebel worth upgrading to because it is all the same camera... unless you rely on auto focus. 
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The above and in spades.

And what were the differences between the above cameras? Minor feature here, minor feature there. What an insult to consumers and technology in general.

It would appear that Canon doesn't understand technology and what people expect of hi-tech. Sony does. What do people expect? Advancement.

I browse this website quite often since 2012. I have never seen so many negative comments about Canon these days in comparison with before.

Here's my take:

For many, buying into a dslr system is a major investment you cannot revert w/o losing a lot of €€€ and time to re-learn procedures. And of course there's an emotional attachment to a brand that was in your pocket for all your life. For all this time, people were happy with Canon, keeping lenses longer and changing camera bodies more frequently. Canon made a good transition from film to digital.

Yes. Canon made the transition from film to digital painless/seamless with appropriate models for 2005-2008. But beyond that, well ...

Canon seems lost about what to do since then. Oh, make AF better and add more fps. AF, FPS = Canon's strategy for how many years now?

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But now, with mirrorless arriving and sony having more resources (and probably patents) for sensor research, I feel uneasiness grows if you've bet on the right horse. Canon might very well pull a rabbit out of the hat and surprise us all, but flat out denial that further sensor enhancement (dr or resolution) can be can be beneficial to some is counterproductive: No smoke without fire. Calling people names doesn't help either.

I think the lack of depth in research into digital cameras at Canon has been laid bare by Sony, Olympus and Fuji.

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Furthermore, with more cpu power there are more opportunities to harvest this new resource - but Canon seems to be very set upon continuing exactly what they've done for the last decade. So apart from the hardware side, a very conservative software policy results in very stable, working products. But question if this balance won't tip to their disadvantage some time - Magic Lantern won't be around forever for the rescue like with focus peaking, raw histogram and raw video.

Yup! Likely that in 10 years Canon's digital camera lineup will be a lot like this one. How boring would that be? Will it be news when Canon introduces the 5D Mark V with another 2 fps and more AF focus points/modes? Will anyone in the consumer market place continue to care?

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Last not least, there's the "value" aspect and the pure competition pressure from Nikon/Sony and 3rd party gear (lenses, flashes). If you are able to afford $15k+ gear, I imagine you're fine with Canon. But seeing what offers are around, you wonder if some rubber rings for weather sealing, a lens hood, ..., shouldn't be a given w/o buying their premium model(s).

Meh, weather sealing is over rated. I'm often shooting in wet weather with equipment that isn't rated for "weather sealing" and nothing has ever stopped working or broke.

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Canon General / Re: Does Canon really deserve this?
« on: November 22, 2014, 08:39:59 AM »
I think Canon satisfies photographers. I think the majority of complaints come from consumers that are way more interested in the latest and greatest gear and technology, and like the science of the technology that goes into making cameras and lenses.

But go over to Nikon Rumors and you will see endless complaints about Nikon not listening to their forum experts and how all every Nikon shooter ever wanted was a "true" D700 replacement and a D300 replacement... Basically people will just complain over what they dont have.

This is true!

Someone will always complain about something.

Like the recent post about someone returning their 7D Mark II because of digital noise after how many days?

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Post Processing / Re: My RAW Processing Workflow
« on: November 21, 2014, 06:32:11 PM »
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What secrets are there for website color-management.  I assumed that sRGB should be the right output.  I'm not sure how to post an example of what I'm seeing.  I can say this... I know for certain that using Firefox or Chrome yields very different results than IE for viewing... with Firefox or Chrome being much more accurate than IE.  I might be seeing things, but I think that Firefox tends to show the images sharper too. 

Anyone have any thoughts on it?

Firefox is color profile aware, not sure about Chrome or IE.

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I've been telling people the only thing holding me back was the lack of IBIS but...I didn't expect this feature to arrive so soon!  I'm still poor.  So I'll now amend that statement to: "I'll get a Sony AX series body when they have IBIS AND 4k video in-camera".

Sounds like the A7S Mark II is the camera for you? :)

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Personally, I was waiting for A7R II with quiet shutter, faster frame rates, and non-lossy RAW files.  A smalish 35 mm f/2. lens like on RX1/R would have helped the cause greatly as well.

Lossless raw files would be perfect!

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@Dilbert - Re the car analogy, fixes to minor issues is one thing. Adding IBIS to any camera body that didn't previously have it is another. The better car analogy would be if the same car from the same company went from 250hp in 2012 to 300hp (a la AF speed increase) with a newly developed 7 speed transmission (IBIS) for the exact same price as the previous year's model.

That sounds like a huge win for consumers.

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IBIS for the record, is an astronomically large addition/development to the A7 body. It is the first IBIS in a full frame body which also makes it ground breaking. So it is by no means merely an incremental bump.

So what is there to be upset about?

While it may not be a problem for people that are new to the Sony market, it is a problem for people that are already a part of the market (i.e. already own a Sony rig). This is mainly due to the fact that they are presenting large jumps in tech for the same price in a short span of time. What this does is depreciate the value of what you had already purchased very recently.

In the business world, you depreciate assets very quickly - electronics goods typically are worth $0 after 3 years or there abouts. If you use a digital camera professionally and you aren't writing it off then get a better tax accountant. Same goes for computer equipment. If you've got a really good tax accountant then they can probably find a way to write it off for you anyway.

The argument "don't innovate too quickly lest it devalue what I bought" is an incredibly selfish and self centred perspective to take. You want Sony to design, build and manufacture cameras at a pace that makes *you* feel comfortable? What about the millions of other people that buy digital cameras every year and are more concerned with getting a good camera than what they can sell it for?

Of the millions of DSLRs that were sold in the last 12 months, what percentage would you like to estimate as having been resold online or elsewhere?

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It also doesn't serve to create consumer satisfaction as many buyers will be discontent year over year once seeing that they paid the same price not too long ago for something that is nowhere near as good as the new one. Again, we are not talking incremental improvements. Consequently making me uneasy about holding onto any Sony body for too long.

Aren't you assuming that everyone else believes the same as you here, without asking them?

I'm willing to bet that most buyers will keep their cameras and won't care if a newer model is released "next year" or the year after because their camera will keep taking pictures.

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But just speaking from my vantage point, anticipation of devaluation and the presentation of something much better pushed me to get rid of the A7r rig I had quickly as I didn't want to be left with it once the mark 2 came out months later. I had realized I wasn't completely happy with it and just pulled the trigger on getting rid of it (much like a hot potato). Otherwise, I probably would have played with it for a few more months.

Good for you! You recognised that you'd bought something that you didn't need/want and sold it.


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@Dilbert - Re the car analogy, fixes to minor issues is one thing. Adding IBIS to any camera body that didn't previously have it is another. The better car analogy would be if the same car from the same company went from 250hp in 2012 to 300hp (a la AF speed increase) with a newly developed 7 speed transmission (IBIS) for the exact same price as the previous year's model.

That sounds like a huge win for consumers.

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IBIS for the record, is an astronomically large addition/development to the A7 body. It is the first IBIS in a full frame body which also makes it ground breaking. So it is by no means merely an incremental bump.

So what is there to be upset about?

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Why would you be pissed?
Because the manufacturer improved the way a feature worked and released an updated model?
How can you be angry with them for that?

A. If it were merely the AF speed improvement and nothing else, this could be done in firmware as Sony themselves have stated that it is a result of a change in algorithm. Fuji improves AF speed via firmware even in previous generations of the same cam.
B. In this case, I would moreso be angry with them for the IBIS specifically.


Are you upset with Sony because they bring out new features?
Or are you upset with Sony because the rate of their improvements would leave you feeling poor (or that you don't earn the salary that you want in order to keep up with them) rather than feeling rich?

A change in AF speed through a new algorithm may depend on there being a newer processor in the camera or something else. Or it may simply be that why should they spend money on updating obsolete/released products when they can spend money developing for new products to capture new markets?

Consider that from a release engineering perspective, it may be simpler, faster and more cost effective for Sony to release a whole new camera with a new AF algorithm than to update it for an existing camera.

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