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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specifications Confirmed
« on: September 11, 2014, 03:50:03 AM »
Price?

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Lenses / Re: DXOMark Reviews Zeiss Otus 85mm f/1.4
« on: September 10, 2014, 05:35:21 PM »
I know, DXO will always rate Canon lower than others so what?

DxO will only rate Canon lower to others as long as Canon's products produce inferior results to others.

There was a time, way back in the beginning, when Canon was in the lead in things like the sensor score, etc, relative to Nikon. One company saw reason to improve their products, another just sat on their laurels.

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Lenses / Re: DXOMark Reviews Zeiss Otus 85mm f/1.4
« on: September 10, 2014, 03:03:05 PM »
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Effectively, the lens goes from a score of 38 to 49 solely based on the increased resolving power of the Nikon.  See attached.
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And why shouldn't it?

The test results are a combination of the lens being used on a camera body (hence the "MP" score.)

So why shouldn't the lens score better on the Nikon body where it is able to provide a more detailed digital image?

To look at this differently, if they didn't score lenses based on which body they were used with then it would not be very useful information for a consumer.

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Lenses / Re: When will we see a replacement for the 100-400?
« on: September 10, 2014, 12:05:46 AM »
I doubt that the replacement is coming anytime soon.

The tammy 150-600 has upped the ante with better than reasonable IQ at a good price point. Sigma is hot on the heels with its own super zoom.

A Canon mark II with less than stellar IQ will be beaten by the super zooms on focal length and price. A Canon mark II with stellar IQ risks cannibalising Canon's own super telephotos. It is my opinion that Canon is caught in a bind and doing nothing makes most sense.

Yup, Canon doesn't want to eat their own lunch. Problem is that they're then exposed to others eating their lunch. Canon is never very aggressive here.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D750 to be Canon 5D3 competitor?
« on: September 09, 2014, 09:03:22 PM »
Why are we getting sidetracked by a dodgy analogy?

Because someone keeps trying to say that Canon is better because they sell more.

Would you prefer a car analogy? :D

Actually nobody has said that, as you well know, qv:

While you may be correctly parroting the way others misinterpret my argument, to be perfectly clear, I am not saying that selling the most dSLRs means Canon is 'the best' camera company, nor am I saying that selling the most dSLRs means Canon makes 'the best' dSLRs.

It hasn't been said explicitly but the "Canon sells more" response has been delivered multiple times when the topic of who's cameras are better, thereby suggesting that someone is attempting to imply (be it directly or indirectly) that Canon's cameras are better because more are sold (or that they're more profitable.)

That isn't the implication I have drawn from those comments, the implication I always hear is "SoNikon are one-two-three generations/stops of DR ahead of Canon who make crap cameras and sensors that I can't understand how anybody could or would want to use" to which the reply is, "but they keep selling, so maybe the metric by which you measure a cameras functionality isn't how the majority of purchasers measure a cameras functionality".

Indeed!

Some have preferred Canon cameras over Nikon because the equivalent Canon models had/have WiFi in them and Nikon did not.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D750 to be Canon 5D3 competitor?
« on: September 09, 2014, 06:12:11 PM »
Why are we getting sidetracked by a dodgy analogy?

Because someone keeps trying to say that Canon is better because they sell more.

Would you prefer a car analogy? :D

Actually nobody has said that, as you well know, qv:

While you may be correctly parroting the way others misinterpret my argument, to be perfectly clear, I am not saying that selling the most dSLRs means Canon is 'the best' camera company, nor am I saying that selling the most dSLRs means Canon makes 'the best' dSLRs.

It hasn't been said explicitly but the "Canon sells more" response has been delivered multiple times when the topic of who's cameras are better, thereby suggesting that someone is attempting to imply (be it directly or indirectly) that Canon's cameras are better because more are sold (or that they're more profitable.)

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At some point these cameras will get too small because the balance of where their weight is will be wrong or they'll just be too small to hold steady.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D750 to be Canon 5D3 competitor?
« on: September 09, 2014, 09:58:53 AM »
The comparison was being made that if Canon is the best camera making company based on unit sales then McDonalds is the best food making company based on unit sales.

The meme here is that the number of unit sales isn't an indicator of quality, just of pricing, popularity and availability.

While you may be correctly parroting the way others misinterpret my argument, to be perfectly clear, I am not saying that selling the most dSLRs means Canon is 'the best' camera company, nor am I saying that selling the most dSLRs means Canon makes 'the best' dSLRs. 

What I am saying is that Canon dSLRs best meet the needs of a majority of buyers.

But what is that worth when you look at the McD analogy?

You have a medical degree right?
I don´t know what that means in America but here most students get some nutritional courses too.

Wouldn't you say it´s wrong that so many people eat at McD so often?

BTW:

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In 1970, Americans spent about $6 billion on fast food; in 2000, they spent more than $110 billion. Americans now spend more money on fast food than on higher education, personal computers, computer software, or new cars. They spend more on fast food than on movies, books, magazines, newspapers, videos, and recorded music - combined.
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The key to a successful franchise, according to many texts on the subject, can be expressed in one word: uniformity. Franchises and chain stores strive to offer exactly the same product or service at numerous locations. Customers are drawn to familiar brands by an instinct to avoid the unknown.
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A brand offers a feeling of reassurance when its products are always and everywhere the same. We have found out . . . that we cannot trust some people who are nonconformists, declared Ray Kroc, one of the founders of McDonald’s, angered by some of his franchisees. We will make conformists out of them in a hurry . . . The organization cannot trust the individual; the individual must trust the organization.

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https://www.nytimes.com/books/first/s/schlosser-fast.html

Why are we getting sidetracked by a dodgy analogy?

Because someone keeps trying to say that Canon is better because they sell more.

Would you prefer a car analogy? :D

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D750 to be Canon 5D3 competitor?
« on: September 09, 2014, 02:15:41 AM »
according to Neuro, the top three restaurants in America are McDonald's, Subway, and BK. Why? because they are the leaders in annual sales revenue(of course.)

Indeed.  Since I don't eat at any of them, that puts me in the minority of American diners.  I'm fine with that.  I've never had anyone go out of their way to try and prove to me that one particular menu item at a certain chain of fast food restaurants made that chain better than the establishments at which I dine.   

For some reason, some on these forums who own brands other than Canon (or wish they did) seem insecure or defensive about being in the minority.

Analogy is a bit flawed.  I live in New Orleans. I know food. If we want to go down that road, some folks enjoy eclectic dishes at high end establishments that serve things like Sea Urchin. It's a delicacy and very good. But Most folks prefer and are used to a high end steak house.  So yes, Canon is your Ruth's Chris or Wolensky's that are both extremely good but a few folks still prefer the esoteric items at others. Still good, but they wont outsell a great steak.  McDonalds and Burger King? Canon? No.  That's the iPhone in the camera world.

Except that the iPhone isn't a camera, it is a phone.

The comparison was being made that if Canon is the best camera making company based on unit sales then McDonalds is the best food making company based on unit sales.

The meme here is that the number of unit sales isn't an indicator of quality, just of pricing, popularity and availability.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D750 to be Canon 5D3 competitor?
« on: September 08, 2014, 04:58:57 PM »
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You're right that the better the light/the easier the subject, the less good the camera has to be to produce acceptable results. But to return to the point - no real life situations cannot be captured at the best level of quality (in the final image) by (the best) Canon cameras. The situations where it falls behind Exmor are largely artificial - wanting to take a high DR landscape shot in a single exposure.
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No, they are not artificial. They occur everywhere in real life.

Go outside on a day when there is a small amount of cloud cover and include said clouds in a shot of something that is considered a shadow or similarly dark. Hard to find? Nope.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D750 to be Canon 5D3 competitor?
« on: September 08, 2014, 04:53:06 PM »
How about we all pitch in a few bucks/dollars/quid and buy dilbert a D800 for Christmas? Maybe he will finally stop complaining then, because I can't figure out why someone so unhappy with Canon and envious of Nikon wouldn't just switch and STFU :)

I'm 100% serious about this. I will pitch in the first $10 USD for dilbert's D800 fund. We just need 299 more people to pledge $10 USD to this altruistic cause. With the power of the internet, surely we can accomplish this!

-1.  Subsidies increase the target behavior while taxes cause the opposite effect.  What you want to do is charge him for each such post.

I was about to post Fred Miranda's DR test and start talking about how awful Canon sensors are. I don't actually believe in the "sensor gap", but I'll certainly take a free D800 to stop talking like there is a sensor gap  ;D

You don't complain nearly enough to warrant hush money :)

Now I'm starting to think that accepting a D8x0 would be accepting a cheap bribe!

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http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/article/6197/digital-cameras-sony-samsung-dominating-digital-camera-market-while-canon-nikon

Sony and Samsung are fortifying a two-superpower structure in the digital camera market in Korea. Traditional market leaders such as Canon, Nikon, and Olympus are losing ground.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D750 to be Canon 5D3 competitor?
« on: September 08, 2014, 12:55:09 PM »
I am now starting to think I was an idiot for not following the likes of Michael Riechmann (www.luminous-landscape.com) who sold all of his Canon kit when the Sony A900 came out because his view on product direction and discussion with executives led him to believe that Canon was a dead end. 3 or 4 years on, I've seen nothing to suggest that his decision to sell out of Canon was wrong and I'm starting to regret having not done the same.

Surely this provides as much of a warning given that someone who switched from Canon to the A900 has had to deal with being forced away from SLR's to light robbing SLT's and now has a system that's had limited lens support in recent years and looks like it might even be dropped.

Sums up Sony nicely for me, not a company with the right mentality for any kind of long term vision beyond selling the next cool gadget.

And did he keep the A900 forever? No. Sold that and moved on to the D800 and Sony's NEX and A7 series.

Remember. the camera is but a tool.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D750 to be Canon 5D3 competitor?
« on: September 08, 2014, 09:21:29 AM »
The issue the Canon needs to resolve is better metering AND dynamic range. I haven't seen anyone addressing the HUGE problem that Canon Cameras underexpose  because the meter isn't always linked to the focus point. I love my Mark III. But, I would love it even more if it would ALWAYS METER FROM THE SELECTED FOCUS POINT.
Canon needs to fix the meter link before they worry about dynamic range and that would solve a world of problems including dynamic range for some shots.

If you use live view metering then it does meter from the region being focused on. Apologies if that isn't convenient for you.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D750 to be Canon 5D3 competitor?
« on: September 08, 2014, 09:19:37 AM »
LTRLI and jrista, seems like you've been taking lesions at The Dilbert School for Reading Incomprehension.  See that line highlighted in red up there?  That line that I quoted in my reply?  Here's a hint, guys...when someone quotes something, often the reply is directed toward that quoted statement.

Vgramatikov stated that Canon lost a 'major part of users' switching to Nikon for the D8x0.  My mention of sales figures, in this context, was a refutation of the statement I quoted, to which I was responding (it's in red up above, in case you missed it...again).  We haven't heard back from Vgramatikov, but perhaps you guys – LTRLI or jrista – would care to provide some evidence for Canon users switching to Nikon in droves for the D8x0?

My point is that you mention sales figures in EVERY context. :P It's not a matter of reading incompreshension. You know me. It's a matter if looking at MORE than just your one post here...because your one post here is the same as all your other posts: "Canon sells more, therefor, they couldn't possibly be in danger of anything from the competition."

You parrot the same tired old argument again and again. I know exactly why you say that same thing over and over. The simple fact of the matter is, it doesn't matter if Canon sells more. It didn't matter that Nokia sold more phones, or Kodak sold more film. Who sells the most doesn't matter in the long run. Whether the company selling the most remains competitive is what matters.
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His argument is simple: find a place that shows Canon is ahead of Nikon and repeat that ad nauseam.  If you ask me, neuro is sounding more and more like someone doing Canon marketing than a regular consumer.

But you're right, it doesn't matter who sells more now. What matters is who has the best long term vision. Kodak failed. Nokia failed. I struggle to see any long term vision in Canon's camera line up beyond "keep doing what we've been doing" (which is what Kodak and Nokia did.) Sony is at the other extreme where they're experimenting with many different products to find one that will work.

I am now starting to think I was an idiot for not following the likes of Michael Riechmann (www.luminous-landscape.com) who sold all of his Canon kit when the Sony A900 came out because his view on product direction and discussion with executives led him to believe that Canon was a dead end. 3 or 4 years on, I've seen nothing to suggest that his decision to sell out of Canon was wrong and I'm starting to regret having not done the same.

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