« on: February 27, 2014, 11:29:11 PM »
Given that all raw handling software is "tuned" for each camera, I wonder how images will look with Lightroom and DPP?
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Anyway, I certainly don't dictate anything. Neither do any of you. It's Canon who will decide, and I am simply betting that they don't jump on the 4k bandwagon for consumer-grade devices yet. They probably won't until next year at the earliest (and then only in the higher end models, likely as a firmware update for existing cameras), and I don't suspect we'll see 4k recording in "all" of their devices until some time after 2016.
If Canon felt that sensor IQ needed to be addressed, they'd have done so. They've had a low ISO DR gap for years, and for most of those years they gained market share at the expense of their competition with more low ISO DR. Those who incessantly beat the low ISO DRum can't seem to grasp that what matters most (or exclusively) to them is far less important (or even irrelevant) to the vast majority of camera buyers.
Are you suggesting that DxO worshippers are jealous that Canon has "sold tens of millions of cameras with 'recycled' 18 MP sensors"? if so, I agree ... I think they are just jealous that their "oh so superior DR capable" senors aren't flying off store shelves as much as Canon's "recycled" sensorsIf customers are willing to buy their "recycled" 70D sensor, what is the problem?
Canon has sold tens of millions of cameras with 'recycled' 18 MP sensors.
Mostly I think they're frustrated that tens of millions of people seem to ignore what they perceive as the only important feature of a camera, namely an extra two stops of low ISO DR.
I say it is substantial...to the point that I'm wondering if all of this difference is solely due to the AA filter and slightly higher pixel density (and newer processing)? Or is it more due to sample variation of lenses, or a bit of human inaccuracy with focusing? I guess there are a number of factors in play...but assuming these are two different samples of the 200 f/2L, that would be the biggest factor in the difference, by far...in my opinion. Because like it or not, there is sample variation, even among the best, most expensive lenses.
I think in the long run, between the improvements made in the 70D and even more so the improvements made in the 6D, the next DSLRs from canon should be pretty good on the noise front.
4k BluRay playback
You forgot to take off your bluray fanboy hat. Everyone else understands UHD video support in current devices (2014) is about network streaming but for you that is somehow not good enough - did you post your comment on bluray disc to this forum?
There isn't enough bandwidth to support 4k streaming such that it looks significantly better than 2k.
... my only fear is what most CR headlines will be about once it's actually released, maybe the rumored 5d4?
Maybe the main page headlines. The forum topics will mostly be about how bad the IQ of the 7DII will be, due to poor DR at low ISO, FPN, etc...all before its even released.
Must be nice to be a hypocrite and not give a damn, Dilbert. You have no credibility. You have no respect.
You don't know that...he may be held in highly respected esteem by his fellow DRones and trolls. Naah, probably not - even most of those folks usually have their facts right, even if they grossly misinterpret or distort the implications of those facts (something dilbert also manages to do, whether his facts are correct or not).
Look, I confirmed it for him and said that I don't give a damn. Does that make it any easier for you?
I look at all the facts and see them pointing in a direction that says 4k will become common place very soon - as in 2H2014 and definitely by CY2015. Other people (such as yourself) read the tea leaves differently.
It's not about reading the tea leaves. There is this thing called humility. You seem to lack it. I even stated ahead of time, even though I was correct in the first place, that I would happily admit if I was wrong if there was evidence that the PS4 already supported 4k BluRay. That, that humility...you haven't exhibited one little iota of it.
Anyway, I'm honestly not hurt by it...just, well, I guess I hated having you confirm my opinion of you...
I think we've all pretty much established what our opinions are on the matter.
The question I was left thinking about as a result though is where Canon would actually do it if we were working on the assumption that it would happen this year. These were just thoughts that crossed my mind. Not that I need to say it, but feel free to correct me in my thinking where it is flawed which I'm sure it is.
1Dx - Too early for model update?
5D3 - Also too soon for an update?
Would Canon also risk cannibalizing the Cinema bodies by putting it in the 1 and 5D lines?
6D - Too low on the totem pole + cannibalization factor?
70D - Just came out, too soon for refresh?
Rebels - Too low on the totem pole + risk of cannibalizing the rest of the lineup if omitted from those bodies?
7DII - This is the only place I could feasibly see it happening. Wondering how much that would raise the starting price point. Also, how would it be packaged so as to not cannibalize the cinema lines? Max 24 FPS for 4k? Dual pixel live view included/excluded?
DP recently ran an interview with Nikon exects.
They were amazed at the Df's popularity, but
also mentioned the decline of sales both for
p&s as well as DSLR's.
That made me think that people might
be attracted to retro designs like the Df
because it looks like a safe investment.
Possibly it reminds people of those great
cameras of the 70's and 80's they still
value so highly?
Personally, I think Canon is making the
right choice. For one thing, Canon changed
its lens mount and everyone would laugh
if their retro design did not offer compatibility
with those earlier lenses and I agree.
I would chock it up to the posers... i.e. the people that bought the DF are casual users who bought it to look cool.
They will grow tired of it.
They will go back to their iPhones and Instagram as their main photo outlets...
They will not INVEST in lenses...