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EOS-M / Re: The Next EOS M in 2014 [CR2]
« on: November 12, 2013, 04:00:45 PM »
So I just acquired a EOS M over weekend, of course it showed up AFTER returning home from the trip that justified the purchase! Grrr. Anyway, I've been dying to get my hands on this camera for sometime now. I've been shooting for about 8 years now and always wanted an alternative to lugging around L-Glass and a Full Size DSLR Body. I was waiting to see what Canon was going to do with the next version of the M before I bought one, unfortunately my patience expired. I am still within the 30-days to return the camera, so I've turned to CR for advice. I understand everything is speculation at this point, but from those of you who own this camera, should I hang on to it? Will the update be that significant?

 I am thrilled about the images it produces and how easy it is to use. It is just lacking a few things, like a viewfinder. I found myself bring the camera up to my face a few times.

Bottom line; to keep or not to keep and restart my patience clock.  :-[



Really, it comes down to how you use it, so the answer is that "it depends."  Mine replaced a powershot 230, so it represented a large increase in IQ.  My wife uses it primarily, and I use it for quick snapshots if the DSLR isn't handy.  Really like it with the 22 f/2 (especially indoors/when the light is dim), while the wife prefers the 18-55.  I got the adaptor so it can serve as a backup to the DSLR, but I've yet to use it much with EF lenses.  I also got a 230EX for the wife, which barely has enough power to bounce off ceilings (skipped the smaller 90EX) but works well enough for what it is.

So what would M2 give me?  It won't affect resale value much given that I got the M + 22 f/2 for 300.  I don't do video much, so the main advantage of a 70D sensor is minimized.  Otherwise, the IQ will be similar and the M2 will cost a lot more than the M does not when it launches.  If I need better AF or high ISO performance, I'll be grabbing the DSLR anyway.

So, if you will use it similar to how we use ours, then keep it.  The M2 will still have the EF-M mount, so any lenses you get now for it will still have value.  The thing to keep in mind with consumer lines is that they get refreshed often.  The newest and greatest will always cost the most, but wait a year and prices drop significantly when the newer model appears.

Software & Accessories / Remote release/intervalometer question
« on: November 12, 2013, 12:09:45 PM »
I am looking for a remote release for my 5DIII.  I'm trying to decide between the Vello Shutterboss and the Hahnel Giga T Pro II.  I'd use it more as remote release than as an intervalometer, but I like having that capability as well.  Is either significantly better than the other?  I notice that the receiver is often mounted on the hotshoe, but I'm assuming it doesn't have to be when a flash is being used... TIA for your insight!

Lenses / Re: EF 8-15 FE Vignette Issue
« on: November 09, 2013, 10:48:52 PM »
Lens hood is off. I took a couple pics on my FF to show it better. I don't mind so much but there were a couple shots that had the vignette on the right and not the left. The only thing I can do in post to fix it is crop which sucks when you want to go really wide. No issues on 8mm; It's a full circle. I think I'm going to end up going to Canon service to look it over.

Not normal at all.  My lens vignettes equally in each corner when I shoot wider than 14mm on FF.  Have it checked out.

Lenses / Re: Macro lens for the missus for christmas
« on: November 07, 2013, 04:40:26 PM »
+1 for the 100L.  For serious macro stuff, a tripod and flash are required, but the 100L does well informally and especially well for portraiture.  I really like having the ability to take a picture of something and then get close for a detail without changing lenses.  IS helps, but for outside work, wind can often be a bigger obstacle than light/camera shake.

Anyone else having an issue where it shows up in PS6 but not in LR?  I'd rather launch from LR, rather than LR -> PS -> Analog Efex...

i also like sigma lenses but i think it is a lens issue with the new ones. there should only be 2 variables, the mount to image sensor distance and the mount to af sensor light path distance. that remains constant so should cause consistent focus misalignment.  once you calibrate a sigma lens with the dock it makes changes to the focusing characteristics of the lens and does not consider any camera lens pairing. when i have done this the 2 lenses 18-35 and 120-300 work the same on the 3 camera bodies i have tried them on. i don't know all the inner workings but it seems more like the lens is just not calibrated right to begin with?

in order to really set the lens right with the dock you need to make 4 focal range x 4 distance corrections and they can be all over the place?

the 2 lenses that i have would be unusable by most peoples standards without the dock adjustments.

How do the dock adjustments work on multiple bodies?  If you dock adjust the lens on body 1, will AFMA on body 2 get it to be accurate, or do you have to readjust all those values specifically for body 2?

EOS Bodies / Re: An Announcement Coming in November? [CR1]
« on: November 02, 2013, 08:00:32 PM »
Its not greed, its business.  Mirrorless sells horribly across all manufactures compared to DSLR, so why would Canon stack their resources in a category that fails to sel?

Mirrorless has sold horribly up to now, because products offered ranged between "inadequate and horrible". EOS-M (dog-slow, no EVF), Nikon 1 (dwarf-sensored, too expensive), mFT (generally too expensive and not small/light enough compared to APS-C), APS-C sensored NEX did rather well ... compared to Sony SLT/DSLR sales ;-)

Wow, so the mirrorless products have not been good a value proposition to date!  What a surprise.  It might happen in a few generations, but not in 2013 nor 2014.  I'll wait when native lens families are more well developed.  f/2.8 primes for $1000?  Not interested.

Lenses / Re: I'm done - I have all the lenses I need
« on: November 01, 2013, 04:43:11 PM »
I'm sure I sound a bit nuts :o, but I'd like to thank that I have all I need to own.  Has anyone else "completed" their lens kit?

Would this change with the advent of a 14-24L f/2.8?

Lenses / Re: Help. 50mm 1.2 ?
« on: October 29, 2013, 08:01:03 PM »
Agree. I used three copies, they needed different MA (the current one needs none). They all focus very well on my 5D2, no complaints at all. I can focus well even with the outer AF points, unless it is really dark.

To the OP - the 50L is an excellent lens. Sharp enough wide open, with some loss of contrast with backlit scenes  wide open (well, avoid them), excellent color rendering, great potential for good bokeh.

My 5D2 AF with the 50L was hit or miss (mostly miss) at the outer points.  Center point AF was good.  With 5D3, AF with non-center points is almost as good as the center column.

Lenses / Re: 85L or 135L?
« on: October 28, 2013, 12:26:20 PM »
Hmm, If you attach a Kenko 1.7x Teleconverter to the 85L you'll get a 145mm f2. So why another expensive lense? ;)

I guess this combo would work well in ai servo with... snails!   ::)

Pricewatch Deals / Re: Have you ever purchase camera gear from
« on: October 28, 2013, 12:17:29 PM »
Bought one camera and at least 2 lenses from BuyDig/Beach Camera, and never had a problem with the equipment I bought there so I never dealt with their customer service.

Lenses / Re: Which TS lens is better
« on: October 22, 2013, 11:23:01 AM »
Both TS-Es are very good at what they do, so it comes down to which focal length suits your needs better (as others have already stated).

Both TS-Es can use extenders, but the image degrades slightly.  The 17 also has slightly less swing than the 24, so the 17 + 1.4x will not be able to correct as much as the 24 does natively.

For buildings, especially interiors, I use the 17 primarily.  For landscapes, it's the 24.  I also find that TS-E 24 panoramas are more pleasing than the 17s because the subject to camera distance is longer and the foreground objects aren't stressed as much.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Sony A7 or A7R pre-order list
« on: October 18, 2013, 09:47:07 AM »
Sony has published a road map. 15 lenses in 2 years is really not bad for a whole new system. Has Canon done better with the EOS-M?

Moreover, Samyang has confirmed the release of FE lenses in a couple of months. Not to mention Leica, Voigtländer, Nikon, Canon, etc etc via Metabones adapters that even retain AF. Sigma and Tamron will also express an interest sooner rather than later, to try and conquer this whole new market. If this system lacks something, it's certainly not lenses - not for long.

And no, the A-mount has not been abandoned. Together with the A7/r, Sony has announced a new 70-200/2.8 for A-mount and a new enthusiast camera is scheduled for 2014.

This roadmap?

Is there a more detailed one for the outer years?  Those unmarked bars are far enough in the future that Sony probably has not committed the big development bucks to it.  If the system sells poorly, those plans may never be realized.

A f/2.8 35 prime?  A f/1.8 55 prime?  A f/4 70-200?  A f/4 24-70?  A f/4 wide-angle zoom?  So far, their planned offerings are slower than their DSLR counterparts.  No f/2.8 zooms?  Why buy into an expensive system to get the FF sensor and not be able to use fast glass that APS-C cameras can already use natively?  And how many Sony adaptors are there?  It looks like Sony is trying to hedge their bets (A, FE mount, etc.), and it'll be a mess for a while.

The future may belong to mirrorless, but technology development is not a smooth transition.  Early adopters can get burned (minidisc or Sony-proprietary memorsticks, anyone?).  I'll wait.  And battery technology is a big issue.  There really isn't anything better than lithium batteries on the horizon and 300 shots/battery is not going to cut it.

Lenses / Re: 16-35 2.8 vs 70-200 4 on 650D
« on: October 17, 2013, 11:01:59 PM »
I would suggest getting a APS-C zoom first, unless you plan on moving to FF in the near future (less than 6 months).  If the price of a new 15-85 or something similar is too steep, try looking for a good used copy.  The range of the 16-35 is too short on aps-c, and it is pricy to be used that way.  On FF, it becomes more of a specialty lens, and it's IQ isn't that great.  If you get this general purpose zoom for APS-Cused, then you won't lose much selling it when you move FF.

And, if you have sufficient additional funds, I'd suggest getting the 70-200.  It's good on APC-S, but it'll really come into its own on FF.

Near term:  T4i, 15-85, 50, 70-200.

Sell 15-85 when moving to FF and get kit lens:  5D or 6D, 24-104, 70-200.


Why? 70-200L II + 1.4x TC gets you nearly there, is more compact and lighter, and costs less.

Why?  Because that combo does not "nearly get you there", it merely gives you a 100-280 f/4, and it weighs 3.5 pounds...and it costs not much less ($2200 + $500 = $2700).  It's also only f/4, rather than f/3.5.  So that's why.  Think about it...50-300 millimeters of zoom at f/3.5.  There's a lot of shots you can do in that range from 50 to 100mm that you would miss...and that you even miss with the 70-200 without a TC.  A "fast" ultra-wide zoom...wider and faster than the much-loved 70-300 f/4-5.6.  Weighing the same or less than the 70-200 f/2.8 ii...I want one!

Right, f/3.5 is such a big difference from f/4:  1/3 of a stop.  And at <= weight of a 70-200L II.  You're dreaming!

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