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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D mk III HDR samples.
« on: April 05, 2012, 06:29:14 AM »Couple of in-camera HDR from this morning.
Nice images, but they do look a little flat, bit of PP would sort them out.
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Nice images, but they do look a little flat, bit of PP would sort them out.
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Lenses / Re: 70-200mm 2.8 IS mkii vignetting in the corner problem. Can someone help me?
« on: April 05, 2012, 06:15:02 AM »273
Lenses / Re: Prime VS Zooms.
« on: April 05, 2012, 06:14:09 AM »weddings, fashion, beauty, portraits, lifestyle, documentary...
14L, 35L, 50L, 45TS-E, 85L, 135L
PURE SEX.
YES! Awesome combination.
But TBH I think there is room for both all the time! I love using both, sometimes when im feeling lazy I will just stick a zoom on, sometimes I feel more creative so instantly go towards primes. I think its more of my mood and also the subject. But I like using both! I cant believe the views toward the 70-200mm I think it is my fav lens! Think its quick, very useable, great results and not that cumbersome, im guessing my opinion is quite universal which is why they are so popular.
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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D MKIII vs 1Ds MKIII
« on: April 05, 2012, 05:49:06 AM »You guys have some interesting opinions about the 5D Mark III. It was one of the most anticipated camera upgrades ever and now that it's out, people seem to shun it. I've heard people talk about "issues with it". I'm interested to know what issues everyone is talking about because so far (with the exception of native RAW support for Aperture or LR), I haven't had any. Personally I took the plunge and sold my 1D4 to pay for it as I also have (2) 1DXes on order to cover my action photography. I couldn't be happier with the IQ. I was so tired of looking at nasty noise in the shadows of images off my 1D4. That noise is all but gone on my 5DIII images. And the focus is just spot on! About the only things I miss from my 1D4 is the incredible battery life, simplicity with less button clutter and fast fps.
BTW Tom, I love your shots that you posted. Very nice indeed.
Thanks DarkKnightNine, your opinion is very welcome and thanks for the kind words on the images.
I dont think there any problems with the 5D MKIII in terms of specification if anything it is pretty much the perfect camera for me a supercharged 40D. But I will wait until the niggles are ironed out before a purchase. Then I saw the 1DsIII I have found one locally to me with less than 20k actuations for £2500 which is a steal IMO. So thats why I started the thread. Again the 1D4 would be nice but is currently £500 more than the 5D MKIII with the kit lens secondhand and most are pretty used! As I described I dont like the 1.3 crop. I dont really have need for the 10fps 6 is fine for what I do.
I'm about to plagiarize myself from another post, but here goes.
The 5DIII vs. 1DsIII debate is a tough one. I think I'm committed to the 5DIII at this point, but the 1DsIII is awfully tempting for roughly the same money. I shoot cars, and the highest I pushed the ISO was 3,200 on my last shoot, and most of the time ISO was 400 or less, with the occasional tick up to 800-1,600. That's another way of saying that if the biggest advantage of the 5DIII over the 1DsIII is ISO performance, I didn't push it hard enough on this last shoot to benefit from it. That said, I do have some ideas on how to really push the ISO for creative effect in the future, so perhaps that will change my opinion once I fully utilize the 5DIII's potential.
IQ aside, the 5DIII does handle very well. I still prefer the handling of my 1DII, but the 5DIII's ergonomics and responsiveness are very good. Most the second-hand 1D bodies I've seen for sale are beat to hell, probably since many are used by sports photogs and journalists that are on the go. However, I've seen many 1DsIII's on ebay that are in outstanding condition. Perhaps they've lived a more coddled life inside a studio
I also shoot cars so understand the problems. I agree with the temptation £500 cheaper for the one im looking at, but the 1Ds III is about the same performance noise and IQ wise as a 5DMKII? Which would also be a huge upgrade in IQ to my 40D. I do or would like to go up higher in the ISO range but my 40D doesn't really allow me to do this and if I do Noise ninja is my first port of call and it does a pretty good job tbh!
I would say the only reason I don't get as many shots as I should is by trying to keep the ISO in the lower end of the scale and risking a bit of blur rather than being confident in ISO performance that I can go up higher and not worry.
Its not that I will push it hard enough in the high ISO range but to know its there is what is attractive. Like everyone i prefer to shoot in the lower rnage for IQ. I do shoot in a vast amount of situations and generally my shoots are not comparable in terms of light, which is the problem for most of us as photographers so having confidence that the camera will be able to deal with anything I throw at it is the main benefit for me.
Going back a few years the 40D was a game changer and did everything I wanted but now I am much more demanding and so are the clients so either cameras would be great! The 1Ds or the 5D MKIII just deciding which!!!
At the moment it is the 5D MKIII because of its size and relative usability to be an all round monster. But I always wanted a 1Ds and im sure we've all been there!!
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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D MKIII vs 1Ds MKIII
« on: April 04, 2012, 07:09:45 AM »
Im used the the XXds so should feel quite at home with it. Probably a learning curve with the 1Ds MKIII.
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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D MKIII vs 1Ds MKIII
« on: April 04, 2012, 06:15:33 AM »
Yes but what im saying is I need an all round camera the 1.3 crop doesnt give me this. For my uses the 1D4 isnt what im after, although if money wasnt a problem I would use one in conjunction. But as I dont a crop would probably be my second camera. IMHO I think the 5D MKIII is a much better compromise than the 1D 4 and the 1D 4 is more specialist and generally used by sports photographers. Im not a sports photographer but do shoot motor sport but have found 6fps fine for this.
Hence why im not looking at the 1D4 but the 5D MKIII and the 1Ds MKIII as the title. That is my compromise between speed and quality.
Hence why im not looking at the 1D4 but the 5D MKIII and the 1Ds MKIII as the title. That is my compromise between speed and quality.
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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D MKIII vs 1Ds MKIII
« on: April 04, 2012, 04:18:30 AM »
Depends if your shooting in tight spaces you need all the width you can!!
Which is kind of why I like the APC, you can get the length with EF lenses on the 1.6 crop. But you can also use the dedicated awesome lenses like the 10-22mm which offer the width and the quality. Similar to the 17-55mm I use this instead of a 24-70 or 24-105 because it offers a good range, quality, quick aperture and IS.
In hien-sight it would have been better to buy the FF equivalent but that 17-55mm is a cracking lens!
The crop bodies don't offer the quality of the FF but they are a good compromise!
Which is kind of why I like the APC, you can get the length with EF lenses on the 1.6 crop. But you can also use the dedicated awesome lenses like the 10-22mm which offer the width and the quality. Similar to the 17-55mm I use this instead of a 24-70 or 24-105 because it offers a good range, quality, quick aperture and IS.
In hien-sight it would have been better to buy the FF equivalent but that 17-55mm is a cracking lens!
The crop bodies don't offer the quality of the FF but they are a good compromise!
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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D MKIII vs 1Ds MKIII
« on: April 03, 2012, 08:24:19 PM »
No doubt it is a better camera.
I just mean for general shooting the regular focal lengths are awkward like a 24-70mm is 31-91mm etc etc.
I just mean for general shooting the regular focal lengths are awkward like a 24-70mm is 31-91mm etc etc.
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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D MKIII vs 1Ds MKIII
« on: April 03, 2012, 12:32:25 PM »
Ye the 1D 4 maybe a great camera but I personally think the 1.3x crop factor is awkward and produces a strange focal range with lenses that I don't feel benefits my shooting. I prefer the apc with efs lenses and the crop with longer ef lenses.
I think the camera is very useful if you use it in combination with a cam like the 1ds as you get the best of both worlds but still feel that for me the 1Ds or the 5D would be the better all round camera! If my budget stretched think I may pair it with a 7D because to get the 1.6x on my longer lenses and use the 5d wider and more standard focal lengths. As the 7D is a great cam per £ but not good enough to replace as my main camera.
But my budget doesn't stretch atm so it's a 5D or a 1Ds has to be full frame no crop of any kind
I think the camera is very useful if you use it in combination with a cam like the 1ds as you get the best of both worlds but still feel that for me the 1Ds or the 5D would be the better all round camera! If my budget stretched think I may pair it with a 7D because to get the 1.6x on my longer lenses and use the 5d wider and more standard focal lengths. As the 7D is a great cam per £ but not good enough to replace as my main camera.
But my budget doesn't stretch atm so it's a 5D or a 1Ds has to be full frame no crop of any kind
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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: T3i vs 40D - No I am Serious
« on: April 03, 2012, 12:02:21 PM »
I shoot on a 40D still and never in a million years would I go from an XXD to a XXXD. And tbh the 18mp sensor doesnt have better IQ any better in fact more noisy.. just allows larger printing. So isnt a great upgrade. The 40D hit the spot that many cameras still haven't IMO lived up to except the 5D MKIII. Also the 40D is fairly quick at 6.3FPS the XXXDs are very slow compared
50D wasnt worthy upgrade the 60D is a joke downgrade and the 7D is awesome apart from its noisy and at 100-200 the IQ is no better but has better noise performance.
The XXXDs also are a lot less useable in terms of ergonomics. The only way up is if you want to go crop is a 7D atm but I didnt want it because apart from better higher ISO noise performance the higher def screen and much better AF its not any better really.
5D MKIII is my next aim it is basically a supercharged full frame 40D. Nailed it on the head for me.
So in summary there isnt enough there to warrant a change, for me anyway. I keep an old 350D around as it was my first DSLR and going back to that is painstaking. Love the dual controls on the 40D the XXXDs take longer to switch up the settings.
If i were you I would buy a 7D if you need an upgrade but if like me you dont see a huge upgrade keep hold of it shoots awesome images still.
BMW Z4M Coupe by tom_scott88, on Flickr
Conison Water Feb 2011 by tom_scott88, on Flickr
50D wasnt worthy upgrade the 60D is a joke downgrade and the 7D is awesome apart from its noisy and at 100-200 the IQ is no better but has better noise performance.
The XXXDs also are a lot less useable in terms of ergonomics. The only way up is if you want to go crop is a 7D atm but I didnt want it because apart from better higher ISO noise performance the higher def screen and much better AF its not any better really.
5D MKIII is my next aim it is basically a supercharged full frame 40D. Nailed it on the head for me.
So in summary there isnt enough there to warrant a change, for me anyway. I keep an old 350D around as it was my first DSLR and going back to that is painstaking. Love the dual controls on the 40D the XXXDs take longer to switch up the settings.
If i were you I would buy a 7D if you need an upgrade but if like me you dont see a huge upgrade keep hold of it shoots awesome images still.
BMW Z4M Coupe by tom_scott88, on Flickr
Conison Water Feb 2011 by tom_scott88, on Flickr
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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D MKIII vs 1Ds MKIII
« on: April 03, 2012, 10:55:04 AM »
I mean intrusive as in it is a big camera, people see it and instantly feel like ooo whats he doing. Especially with street photography, those candid ones slightly less likely. Also I like the understatement of the smaller bodies.
A grip will be a definite purchase. I find them very useful to balance the camera with heavier lenses, but also because I like to use it without too with primes like a nifty 50 shooting some street photography. Best of both worlds.
I agree with you on the age and the performance, although like I said both will be a huge upgrade in IQ compared to the 40D im used to. I think the best thing to do is to get hold of a 5D and put it though its paces and see how I like it.
A grip will be a definite purchase. I find them very useful to balance the camera with heavier lenses, but also because I like to use it without too with primes like a nifty 50 shooting some street photography. Best of both worlds.
I agree with you on the age and the performance, although like I said both will be a huge upgrade in IQ compared to the 40D im used to. I think the best thing to do is to get hold of a 5D and put it though its paces and see how I like it.
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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D MKIII vs 1Ds MKIII
« on: April 03, 2012, 10:13:13 AM »
Thanks for all the really helpful information.
I suppose the thing with the 1Ds is that it is massive and quite intrusive. Thats the nice thing about the 5D MKIII it is still a small format camera and you have the option of adding the grip.
I would like the 70-200mm IS II but the extra £500 at the moment will go on a wide angle lens like the 17-40 mm to replace my 10-22. In time I hope to, but I want to re-complete my kit before upgrading my lenses.
The 17-40 like the 10-22 will be really helpful in the pit lane.
ATM I am thinking the 5D MKIII but im pretty sure the 1Ds MKII will still be a huge upgrade form my 40D but I think maybe the best thing to do is wait until the fire dies down on the 5D and we get some proper reviews of the camera and comparisons between the two. TBH I would prefer to have th newer tech because I will use this nxt body for 5 years or so similar to my 40D.
I suppose the thing with the 1Ds is that it is massive and quite intrusive. Thats the nice thing about the 5D MKIII it is still a small format camera and you have the option of adding the grip.
I would like the 70-200mm IS II but the extra £500 at the moment will go on a wide angle lens like the 17-40 mm to replace my 10-22. In time I hope to, but I want to re-complete my kit before upgrading my lenses.
The 17-40 like the 10-22 will be really helpful in the pit lane.
ATM I am thinking the 5D MKIII but im pretty sure the 1Ds MKII will still be a huge upgrade form my 40D but I think maybe the best thing to do is wait until the fire dies down on the 5D and we get some proper reviews of the camera and comparisons between the two. TBH I would prefer to have th newer tech because I will use this nxt body for 5 years or so similar to my 40D.
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Canon General / Re: Why pay over the odds for 5D mkiii ??
« on: April 03, 2012, 07:44:53 AM »the issue is not only the absolute price point of the 5D 3. It is the "PAYING OVER THE ODDS" bit that irks so many of us.
Fact is, the Nikon D800 is a way better photographic tool - with the single exception of shooting speed - for 600 Euros less.
Nikon tried it too ... with the ludicrously overpriced D3x and they hit the wall with it. NOW, all of a sudden, they are able to sell a camera that is way better than the D3x for half the price of the D3 ... we can and should expoect Canon to do the same thing. A camera better than the 1Ds III for half the price of a 1D IV ... wghich would get us to exactly the pricepoint where the D800 sits.
5D 3 is a good camera but after all only offers, what the 5D 2 should have offered from the start: a decent AF module combined with a decent sensor. IQ from ISO100 to 1600 is hardly better than the 5D 2.
3300 Euro for the 5D 3 is exactly 600 Euro too much. Nobody in their right mind should spend 600 Euro for nothing. Even if it still makes some economic sense, because one is TRAPPED by a bigger investment in Canon lenses. :-)
Have to say I agree with you. As a pro I like to keep my gear as long as possible until it is in dire need of replacement or there is something that completely changes the industry or allows me to shoot something impossible with my previous body. Because the less you spend on bodies the more profit you get from the stills. Obviously when it comes to lenses it is different. Good glass is paramount and what you stick it in front of is much less important. But regardless whether you make money with the camera that £600 is Canon premium, just like Apple over Microsoft.
Yet I still use Canon and Macs because I prefer both to the competition.
A bad craftsman blames his tools. Most pros will be able to get better results with a XXXD than an amateur with an XD. People get too tangled up in specs!!! Just go out and shoot!! Half the people on this forum buy the cameras so they can shoot test sheets to see how well or poorly the camera performs which is a huge shame. This forum used to be full of decent people who were good photographers now it has turned full circle.
What the pro cameras offer compared to the amateur ones is all the complex settings that allow you to do things faster and more efficiently. Also better layout, ergonomics, higher quality build using them all day long you need these things. I no a lot of pros who shoot only on APC and get incredible results. Its just when they come to blow things up they have problems.
The rest is Apples and Oranges.
I used to contribute a fair amount earlier on to the forum but half the people on here make me so fed up of reading the forum! Same old BS.
This 5D MKIII thing has got out of hand and I hope the moderators sort it out. The camera has been out no time at all stop whining.
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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D MKIII vs 1Ds MKIII
« on: April 01, 2012, 07:52:22 PM »
Cheers for the replies!
Thanks very much! All those images were candid street photos I shot recently in London with a 50mm 1.4. Love street photography and around covent garden and the millennium bridge gives some nice backdrops and some interesting people!
The BMW Z4Mc was a rig shot, I do a lot of work for clients who are interested in automotive and/or like to have some pics of their cars. The Z4Mc is a really nice car to shoot because they are very rare and have some great lines.
Ye well I have been waiting for a long time had the 40D since release so its been around 5 years and the camera is about to keel over lol. Im sure the 5D MKIII will be a big upgrade for me anyway, the IQ argument with the 5D MKII and MKIII seems a bit futile because even if it is slightly softer adding sharpening in PP surely will solve this I always PP so straight out the camera can be improved shooting raw? and from a 10mp digit 3 to a 22mp digic 5+ I'm sure I will be blown away! Theres always some teething problems, but it would be nice to see a small decrease in price maybe £2800 or somewhere around there.
I might rent one and see how I get on with it. Hopefully your right about the prices of the 1Ds its just finding ones that haven't been hammered by pros, I like to keep my gear so it kind of maximises profit. Always a believer that a poor craftsman blames his tools but I do feel like I have hit the wall with what the 40D can do.
Thanks very much! All those images were candid street photos I shot recently in London with a 50mm 1.4. Love street photography and around covent garden and the millennium bridge gives some nice backdrops and some interesting people!
The BMW Z4Mc was a rig shot, I do a lot of work for clients who are interested in automotive and/or like to have some pics of their cars. The Z4Mc is a really nice car to shoot because they are very rare and have some great lines.
Ye well I have been waiting for a long time had the 40D since release so its been around 5 years and the camera is about to keel over lol. Im sure the 5D MKIII will be a big upgrade for me anyway, the IQ argument with the 5D MKII and MKIII seems a bit futile because even if it is slightly softer adding sharpening in PP surely will solve this I always PP so straight out the camera can be improved shooting raw? and from a 10mp digit 3 to a 22mp digic 5+ I'm sure I will be blown away! Theres always some teething problems, but it would be nice to see a small decrease in price maybe £2800 or somewhere around there.
I might rent one and see how I get on with it. Hopefully your right about the prices of the 1Ds its just finding ones that haven't been hammered by pros, I like to keep my gear so it kind of maximises profit. Always a believer that a poor craftsman blames his tools but I do feel like I have hit the wall with what the 40D can do.