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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon did everything it could in 5D3
« on: May 02, 2012, 07:22:30 AM »

In terms of whether they did everything they could. Nope. The camera is an homologation of used parts, put together to create not only a great camera but also to do it cheaply. The profit on these cameras will be really good I assume, the cost of R&D on this camera is minimal, slightly updated sensor to keep the frame rate up and slight improvement to noise and DR, AF system moved from 1DX, body does have some ergonomic changes which is nice and a little more weather sealing. They just raided the parts bin instead of truly innovating this product which is fine by me, but for a £1000 premium... kind of annoying but what do you do?

I'm not sure I would consider a COMPLETELY new AF system that's only on TWO cameras "used parts", especially when it beat the camera it was "taken" from to market.  How many people would have loved to have had the "used" AF system out of the 1DsMKIII in the 5DMKII?  Hell, I know I would have.  Almost EVERY manufacturer shares parts across products.  Go look at almost any brand of vehicle in different models and you'll see things like steering wheels, control knobs, door handles and engines being used across multiple platforms.

You misinterpret what I mean, I meant that the AF wasn't designed specifically for the 5D MKIII it was designed for the 1DX and it has borrowed it. Which is fine. What I was meaning was the R&D isnt extreme because they have recycled tech, the AF is amazing and I welcome it but the overall point being the tech already existed yet we pay an extra £1000 premium over the 5D MKII. There is a lot of profit in this camera for Canon because it is not unique tech.

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EOS Bodies / Re: LR4.1 RC to blame. Check this out!
« on: May 01, 2012, 07:10:40 PM »
Great work!  8)

Really hoped this would be a reason.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon did everything it could in 5D3
« on: May 01, 2012, 11:51:00 AM »
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No I don't. Sure, the megapixel is less than the D800 - but it's where it needs to be for the market in question.

It might be where it needed to be, but cramming 18mp on the digic 4 was a bad idea, in fact it crippled a great camera same with the 550D, 600D and 60D because they just recycled technology. The IQ is worse than the older cameras such as the 40D. They did the same with the 50D and that turned out to have worse IQ than the 40D a third more pixels on the same sensor technology will lead to nothing but poor IQ. All for the MP race.

They arent struggling in the sensor category just not innovating as much as they could, im not really sure what they have been doing for the past 4 years, but sitting on the fence and seeing what the competition do is the wrong thing to do. Innovation is the way forward, otherwise you get left behind! I don't know whats happened, have they got a new CEO? The strategy has definitely changed.

For me the 5D MKIII is like the perfect camera so im not in the complaining crowd. But I wont buy until things simmer down and they sort the niggles out. Hopefully they are all just firmware problems.

In terms of whether they did everything they could. Nope. The camera is an homologation of used parts, put together to create not only a great camera but also to do it cheaply. The profit on these cameras will be really good I assume, the cost of R&D on this camera is minimal, slightly updated sensor to keep the frame rate up and slight improvement to noise and DR, AF system moved from 1DX, body does have some ergonomic changes which is nice and a little more weather sealing. They just raided the parts bin instead of truly innovating this product which is fine by me, but for a £1000 premium... kind of annoying but what do you do?


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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Rebel T4i [CR2]
« on: May 01, 2012, 09:39:29 AM »
Excellent.

The 60D and 7D are in NO need of an update.  ::)

If they bring a new sensor out for the 700D then there will be a need for update. The 60D needs updating to bring it back in line the XXD previously were. Was a disappointment for most XXD users. I agree with the 7D but then it would be nice to have a better sensor in it. I would buy it then. No point in buying something new for the IQ to be worse than previous models.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Rebel T4i [CR2]
« on: May 01, 2012, 06:10:16 AM »
Problem is where do you draw the line for beginner SLRs?

Half the specs on here that people are after are more in the XXD line so it wont happen.

From history, the XXXDs will be slow but in a great compact design, but still offer great IQ and a menu system that will allow you to grow. Which IMO is the correct way to go or you eat into your higher quality SLR list then gives an upgrade path.

Problems I see is that the competition are replying to Canons dominance by making the cheaper SLRs more into the medium sector better MP and a better skill set. So in this respect if Canon are to compete they must update the whole line meaning the 700D 70D and 7D MKII so as not to play themselves out of the game.

We are not talking 5Ds here, lets get off that band wagon. We are talking consumer products the im sure that the XXXDs will outsell the pro lines at least 10-1 so we are talking bread and butter and they must get this right especially with the Nikon D5200.

6-8fps is the base line for semi pro DSLRs like the 60D and 7D. I just hope they improve the 60D so it is back into the XXD product line and the 7D MKII does something extraordinary to put it into the pro category for crop sensor Canon cameras.

So would 5fps be a good base? better than the competition and a nice range. Maybe that is too fast? But if they did this the XXD would have to be at least 7 even 8 so the 7D MKII will have to be 10FPS and that will put it in 1DX territory so again I don't no whether they will. Although the crop will be the definitive factor between the two which is enough but again the old discussion between the 1.6 crop on longer lenses is a big deal.

Problem is that 18mp sensor wasn't that great... I think ok for the consumer cameras but I think they should put some distance between it and the 7D this time instead of recycling the tech. Although the 7D is a much better camera technically and ergonomically at the end of the day for still life you can get the same results and I dont think the 7D sensor is good enough for pros/semi pros the 40D had better noise characteristics at low ISO than the 18mp sensor and low ISO is the holy grail! Everyone will automatically go there to get the best quality in the right conditions so that was a bit of a kick in the teeth as thats where I primarily shoot. Which is why I didn't buy one.

It will be interesting where they go from here. They could be in trouble hope they get it right.

I just wish they would innovate instead of trying to be safe! Its the first step generally to show that a company is going in a wrong direction.

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Landscape / Re: Sydney Cityscapes - Still with a 7D
« on: April 30, 2012, 10:04:44 AM »
They are really nice pics.

But the HDR effect is far too strong nock it back and they would be much nicer images, sometimes its easy to get carried away.

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EOS Bodies / Re: The Last Generation of the Crop Sensor Cameras
« on: April 27, 2012, 11:10:14 AM »
This idea of video replacing video is probably correct and probable.

But a photograph says more than words, a snapshot of a moment in time. Video is the opposite of this and it is not romantic nor does the viewer connect with it in the same way.

This is the beauty of photography and that art is not going to give up easily. This is also a notion that seems to get lost with the newer age photographer where their kit is more important than the image as seen with the arrival of the D800 and 5D MKIII

Its like the 19/20th century debate about photography replacing painting. It hasn't, painting is as strong as ever it has just changed and the moving image has been around for over 100 years and still it hasn't removed the need for either medium.

I dont think that photography will become 'obsolete' it will continue to be a way of documenting and still is the best way to document.

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EOS Bodies / Re: The Last Generation of the Crop Sensor Cameras
« on: April 26, 2012, 09:53:18 AM »
For the near future no I dont think so. Crop is not only designed for consumers it also allows for quicker product obsolescence and this is where the manufacturers make all their money. The difference in sales between a XXXD and a XD will be phenomenal. The percentage of users with crop cameras will trump compared to full frame.

Most consumers dont even understand the difference.. It takes pictures.

You have to understand that not everyone buys cameras for a career, not everyone is a pro and people like taking pictures. Although there are newer techs like mirrorless the DSLR is the camera to go with if you want better quality pics. Up to A3 even A2 crops are fine! Seen as tho barely anyone has a printer bigger than A4 it wont matter anyway.

Whether it makes sense or not, there will always be a business man behind the decisions and killing crops is not one I see them applauding. Making a cheap camera that sells like hot cakes is a dream which is why so many people have XXXDs.

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Here we go....  >:(

Can we not just enjoy one thread without the BS! Jeese.

Half of the people on here need to realise this isnt a forum for pros it is for everyone and this attitude to the latest and greatest is rubbish. Photography should be enjoyed by everyone regardless of their kit and not to be fealt inferior for it.

One of my favourite motor sport photographers (Dennis Noten) still uses a 450D and a 40D and check out his flickr stream. Incredible.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/denniske/


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350D :D Loved it had a go with it the other week and thought wow how did I use this... ;p


Allium by tom_scott88, on Flickr


M3 by tom_scott88, on Flickr


M3 by tom_scott88, on Flickr

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I have to say no.

Im still a crop shooter looking to go full frame so I am going to have to sell 50% of my lenses to switch.

I really love both cameras TBH. I dont think either win they are both fantastic but aimed differently. The DR and noise difference is minimal if you ask me in real world terms. If you are a good photographer DR should be less of an issue and the 5D MKIII has the edge in noise.

The D800 is also slow, 4fps is poor although needed because of the huge files! 6fps gives you a great range for everyday to sports shooting. The 5D MKIII best all round camera out of the two and the file size is perfect! I dont understand the crave for more! Soon as it gets printed which lets be honest photography is all about, the images will be indistinguishable up to A2 (which is bigger than 50% people with these cameras will print). If you dont print especially with beautiful cameras like these whats the point in having one?

This discussion of changing is an old one, and what happens if canon bring out a industry changer again next time round? We will have the same discussion again. Taking it from a pros perspective the camera is a tool not a museum piece my camera is wrecked, it has gafa tape all over it the rear LCD is cracked but still takes cracking pics. I use crop because I am a sports shooter and like the range. Also the newspapers I shoot for dont demand extreme quality but still fancy the 5D MKIII.

IMO a perfect camera a supercharged 40D which has been my favourite all round canon camera to date. Fast, good IQ, value for money.

Canon cant compete pixel to pixel at the moment but if you need that resolution the pentax 645 or hasselblad H40 is the way forward, most pros wont worry about the cost because its their bread and butter they make their living from it and most of the time it may sound fickle but other people will have 5Ds or Nikon equivalents on the shoots and they need to have the best of the best to give confidence to the clients.

Most people here who are complaining arent pros which is the problem half of you are dreamers and dont shoot professionally. Pros are not hung up on gear as much as the subject, its just a tool! We are at a point where most cameras give incredible quality its what you fill the frame with, how you light it and the print thats important.

The gear thing is getting far too heated IMO. So go out and shoot and enjoy yourselves instead of getting frustrated.

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Well if Canon did make such a mess of it go buy the Nikon whos stopping you?

Its amazing how much fire there is here! The D800 isnt good enough to trade in thousands of £ of lenses for, when the 5D MKII came out we were all amazed with 22mp! Not only does it provide fantastic IQ it provides a good file size. Its more than 90% of photographers need. How many who would use a DSLR print bigger than A1? If you do you need to go medium format for crisp images.

IMO Canon made the best all round camera you can buy! The differences we are talking are so minuscule, unless you need the resolution then the Canon is much better IMO. All this crop rubbish, if you need to crop that far with an image you need to go back to basics.

There are going to be bad reviews, and poor testing just calm down.

OMG 81% THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Who cares about the scoring! Just use the camera! Sick of these threads

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Sports / Re: Cars cars cars (and some bikes)
« on: April 19, 2012, 04:21:25 AM »
Cheers V8Beast!

Theres a few more on my flickr feed.

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