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EOS Bodies / Re: Are you really serious about 6D?
« on: December 19, 2012, 04:35:54 AM »
The 6D or the 5DMKII will be a massive upgrade IQ wise over the 50D. The 50D was made for the megapixel race it was the same technology as the 40D but with a third more pixels. Therefore its noise performance was worse than the 40D it replaced.

If you are serious the 5DMKIII is the way to go. Mine arrived the other day and it is brilliant.

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EOS Bodies / Re: It's Christmas Eve !!
« on: December 18, 2012, 10:44:31 AM »
Mine arrived yesterday! With the 24-105mm L kit lens and a 100mm L macro! Your in for a treat what a beast so much better than my old 7D.

Bought mine from DigitalRev, saved over £1000. Prices are crazy here in the UK, no brainer buying from them as there is no import tax to pay.

Quick play last night and the ISO ability is madness!!!!

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From reading most of your posts on here Marsu42 you seem to be going round and round in circles.

Why not instead of idolising and agonising over equipment just go out and shoot some pictures?? Enjoy photography? Get your name out there sell some prints and that will make purchasing equipment easier. We all want to be

A good photographer can capture a fantastic pic with a box browny, gear enables more possibility but it should not stunt your creative growth. The camera is just a tool you tell it what to do.

I know i gave you some stick the other day, but seriously just enjoy it.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are you really serious about 6D?
« on: December 13, 2012, 06:48:45 PM »
Think your missing my point.

Im comparing in use, once you have sampled a better camera AF even the 7D its hard to go back to having so few, and for 5D MKII users most of which I would say are advanced amateurs or prosumers the 6D offers a slight upgrade in IQ and ISO whether it is worth while ditching it for I cant say, but where it counts as IQ will be similar AF body construction sealing the 6D isnt better etc

A camera is more than IQ, single point in the middle? You saying all of your pics are composed with the subject bang in the middle? Have you used fast L primes and tried to focus and recompose? The plane of focus shifts. That is my argument, if you are shooting with a 20mp FF camera you need good glass to resolve it so £700+ lenses if you were frustrated as a 5D MKII user then the 6D wont appeal, because the AF hasn't improved significantly where it counts. And I think an extra £1000 over a XXXD is even more difficult to swallow as an amateur!

I doubt highly that people who are used to buying an XXXD around £400-800 would upgrade to a camera that is £1600 body only without a lens seen as tho non of thier lenses would work! its a big money upgrade. XXXD users buy the cams caus they are the cheapest way to get into the DSLR market.

Im not saying the 6D is bad. Just saying its compromised for a lot of users. ISO and IQ count more so if your printing, for internet work the res is low so counts less. The majority of XXXD users buying a full frame camera wouldn't make sense regardless of spending £2200 on one with one lens, most use photos and put them on facebook...

Of corse I am generalising but I think these markets are different and this wont become the popular majestic entry FF  camera eveyone has been waiting for over night. I still think £2000 is a lot of money for a camera for people who aren't making money from photography. There will always be gear heads that need the latest and greatest but that market is small I just think the target market has been missed slightly and the more keen photographers will give this a miss because of its shortcomings and makes it a hard decision and I would always think I wish id spent the extra.. and if you can afford £2200 for the 6D and 24-105 then a 5D MKIII with the 24-105 at £2500 is not a big jump.


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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Top Focus Point Light Bleeding Issue
« on: December 13, 2012, 01:01:47 PM »
I had this on my 350D but on the right one... was quite annoying took it to canon, no fix.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are you really serious about 6D?
« on: December 13, 2012, 12:36:04 PM »
My upgrade path was 350D - 40D - 7D - 5D MKIII

Now I was happy with the 9 point AF 5-6 years ago I managed to really get it working well for me, but I hit its limitation really quite quickly, but then I got the 7D and at first was blown away by the amount of points and to start with it was a challenge because it was so different. Then I really got used to it! I still have my 40D and going back to that is really painful in comparison. Now I bought the 5D MKIII after nearly a year of umming and arring and waiting for a good price point it is even better the level of precision and general functionality of the AF its brilliant.

I suppose what I am saying is that Canon has moved on in AF but not implementing it as much as it could. This is an entry FF camera but for someone upgrading from an XXD or an XXXD between £500-800 to £1600 I would expect a better system. Twice the price for better IQ? The rest of the camera has to follow suit, not to the point of the pro cameras somewhere in-between.

Once you use the better systems it really does feel like a massive backward step with the others. I have used a 6D and found it quite snappy, but its the points there spread out and there arent many... so makes composition more difficult.

I dont think the 6D is a bad camera by any margin... It just think it could and should have been better, with a better AF it would have had awesome reviews and I think more people would be willing to suck up the extra £1000 for it.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are you really serious about 6D?
« on: December 13, 2012, 11:33:20 AM »
If they had remade the 7D AF system for the FF 6D and spread them out, unlike the D600. This would have flown off the shelves, would have made the camera from a meh camera to a wow camera.

Ahhh, so it's not flying off the shelves?  And you know this how?  Because you haven't bought one, yourself?   ::)

I didn't say that Neuro I was speculating that it would have sold better. As I said early in the post it wont affect Canon, and even you will admit it could have been better.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are you really serious about 6D?
« on: December 13, 2012, 10:50:11 AM »
Hate to admit it, but I agree.

The 6D could have been so much better and appealed to a much larger audience without the cost being too much more and without compromising on the 5D, with a real hybrid between a XXXD, XXD & 7D with a full frame sensor

If you are looking for a longer term investment a 6D just isnt one to get in my mind.

I didnt expect the 6D to have poor IQ, and it has proven itself, it appears to be fantastic. But if you are an amateur used to the 9 point system the 11 point isnt a massive upgrade apart from one point, even the 650Ds are all cross point, but it will feel similar... not sure i like the idea of that price and the camera AF feeling similar. But I wouldn't buy a 2k camera that really doesn't improve much apart from IQ it needs to be across the board, a camera consists of more than just a good sensor. IQ means nothing if only one point is worth using.

What happens if you want some nice primes like a 50mm 1.2? taking full advantage of that IQ? focusing with the single point and recomposing at this fine DOF will return poor focus and as the other 10 are pretty much useless.... makes the IQ worthless, unless you plan on manual focusing most of the time. How often is your subject bang in the centre?

It has a few cool quirks with the Wi-fi & GPS. But really if everyone were to be honest it could have been better, it has clearly been detuned so not so step on the toes of the 5D MKIII but people who buy that camera are in a different market in my opinion. The D600 although also having its quirks, is a better option if your an amateur without too much invested.


I make money with my camera and buy what i need. If i was an amateur then I would feel even worse! It is an improvement over the 5D MKII but not 4 years worth of improvement. With the 5D MKIII not much more it doesn't make any sense in my mind to buy a 6D. £2k for a 5D MKIII or £1600 for the 6D? I bought a 5D.

I disagree on a few levels.  Looking at al lthe bells and whistles on the mk3, and seeing the reaction to the price (many saying it should be $2500), where does that leave any room for improving the 6d? 

Center point only, yeah it seems like a step back, but, looking at all the amazing images the 5d2 has cranked out over the lifetime of the cam center point may do just fine!  Many claimed the 5d2 was only really usable to ISO 3200, and would push it to 6400 in a pinch if it was the only way to get the shot.  It seems that the 6d is following the 5d3 in ISO, so ISO 6400 -12800 being usable is a huge upgrade!

Different strokes I guess, also, everyone looking at these bodies has their own needs to fill.  For me, I have a mk3 so this would be a backup body.  Yeah, the price difference isn't that huge (in the sticker at least, it's closer to $1200 difference after tax though).  To me, that is the cost of a 135 f2L.  If your on a mk2 looking to upgrade though, then yeah the 6d may not be as big of a leap as you want.  But if your on a 60D, then just the FF sensor alone is reason to buy!  Different strokes!

Granted the 5D MKIII at release was insane at £3500 but you can get body only for £1990 now, with the 6D at £1600.

Most pros hated the AF of the 5D MKII, but you have to remember it was revolutionary and it will be forever held in that sense, the AF was flawed then, but it was a great camera so most put up with it. The difference is that was 4 years ago!!!! 4 Years later and we have 2 points more and ONE cross type thats sensitive! Right in the middle! So what about composition? Or do you put everything in the middle? and when using fast glass youll be fine to see your focus and recompose is now not in focus? Because thats all you can do the rest arent worth talking about.

Then you have the 5D MKIII with 61 AF points 50 more... huge gap! or the 7D AF system in the middle with 19. If they had remade the 7D AF system for the FF 6D and spread them out, unlike the D600. This would have flown off the shelves, would have made the camera from a meh camera to a wow camera. Really worth it for up graders, just because people are amateurs does that mean they have to have the worst AF? Especially when there are other AF systems in the parts bin. Its just lazy, but im sure Canon wont loose anything but my money didnt go to one.

Whether all those pictures you quote actually came from the AF system or were manual focused you cant tell.

Like I said IQ isn't the problem. But its a flawed combination of great IQ and awful AF especially when you need the best L glass to resolve the sensor. Completely baffling! Suppose its just a shame really!

Not sure what Canon are doing they are too bothered about protecting their markets than embracing new ones... like the EOS M, could have been much better but they are protecting the XXXD market.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are you really serious about 6D?
« on: December 13, 2012, 09:50:14 AM »
You would be better off keeping the money for the 6D and selling the 7D and buying a 5DMKIII best of both worlds

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are you really serious about 6D?
« on: December 13, 2012, 09:10:03 AM »
Hate to admit it, but I agree.

The 6D could have been so much better and appealed to a much larger audience without the cost being too much more and without compromising on the 5D, with a real hybrid between a XXXD, XXD & 7D with a full frame sensor

If you are looking for a longer term investment a 6D just isnt one to get in my mind.

I didnt expect the 6D to have poor IQ, and it has proven itself, it appears to be fantastic. But if you are an amateur used to the 9 point system the 11 point isnt a massive upgrade apart from one point, even the 650Ds are all cross point, but it will feel similar... not sure i like the idea of that price and the camera AF feeling similar. But I wouldn't buy a 2k camera that really doesn't improve much apart from IQ it needs to be across the board, a camera consists of more than just a good sensor. IQ means nothing if only one point is worth using.

What happens if you want some nice primes like a 50mm 1.2? taking full advantage of that IQ? focusing with the single point and recomposing at this fine DOF will return poor focus and as the other 10 are pretty much useless.... makes the IQ worthless, unless you plan on manual focusing most of the time. How often is your subject bang in the centre?

It has a few cool quirks with the Wi-fi & GPS. But really if everyone were to be honest it could have been better, it has clearly been detuned so not so step on the toes of the 5D MKIII but people who buy that camera are in a different market in my opinion. The D600 although also having its quirks, is a better option if your an amateur without too much invested.

I make money with my camera and buy what i need. If i was an amateur then I would feel even worse! It is an improvement over the 5D MKII but not 4 years worth of improvement. With the 5D MKIII not much more it doesn't make any sense in my mind to buy a 6D. £2k for a 5D MKIII or £1600 for the 6D? I bought a 5D.

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Marsu42 will you please just buy a full frame camera before you drive us all insane

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Lenses / Re: EF 24-70 F/2.8L II USM on 7D
« on: December 11, 2012, 10:36:25 AM »
17-55mm all the way cracking lens. Unless you plan on going full frame, then i would say get the 24-70mm MKI because the MKII IMO isnt worth another £1000!!!! Insane. Regardless how much better it is it isnt £1000 better.

Mine has suffered from bad dust, but doesn't affect IQ, but mine has shot over 150,000 images and had no filter for half of that. A filter is a must. Wish I had got one to start with, has had no extra dust since i put one on.

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Well strictly speaking they are completely different animals, chalk and cheese.

I am currently selling my 7D and replacing it with a 5D MKIII but was taking some pics of it with my old 40D for the advert and I thought man... this is much harder to focus and compose with. I remember when I bought the 7D and was overwhelmed by the amount of AF points but when you get used to it its brilliant. Going back to less points would just make life much harder when your used to more choice. I was going to keep the 40D as a back up but although I used to love it, it just really doesn't do anything for me anymore.

TBH the noise really isnt awful on a 7D if you print massive images then yes but if you are sticking to A4-A3 they are fine. Made an A2 print of mine the other week at ISO3200 and I was pretty impressed after seeling on screen it has too much noise. Its so easy to pixel peep. Infact coming from the 40D I was pleased with the higher ISO results but really disappointed with 100-400.

Another thing is that the 6D will feel slooooowww compared to the 7D especially trying to keep up with your kids. It depends how you feel, for an amateur the 7D is more than a great camera. But I dont think the 6D is the correct upgrade path and you will miss a lot of the features. Which is why the 5D is a more attractive option and the price difference I would save another few months and buy that instead.

If you were just doing Landscapes or still life I would say yes. But more than often you will be chasing the kids and you will find that one sensitive point in the middle wont be enough and those nice compositions wont be focused correctly in those fast situations. IQ is important but a camera is made of more than just IQ I think the 7D experience will be better and IQ doesnt sell that camera to me. Needs to have elements of the previous camera or you will miss it. Build quality weather sealed the class of cameras are completely different.

Other option is to wait for the new 7D MKII. Although a lot of cameras, the choice is still hard but still think the 5D MKIII is the best all round camera ever made.

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Black & White / Re: Your best Architectural & City B&W shots?
« on: December 09, 2012, 07:07:29 AM »

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EOS Bodies / Re: Why I'm Asking Santa for a 6D
« on: December 03, 2012, 11:45:17 AM »
The only problem is if you compare it on paper to the D600... but in hand in the real world, like Kai said theres not much in it.

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