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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T4i/650D Specs [CR2.5]

« on: May 17, 2012, 04:49:58 PM »

The biggest upgrade will be the Digic 5 which in turn enhances low light performance dramatically even with the same sensor.  This is more than enough reason for me to ditch the T3i and 7D.

Still the 18mp sensor is 3 yrs old. maybe 7D2 will get a new 18m AND dual digic 5

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T4i/650D Specs [CR2.5]

« on: May 17, 2012, 01:16:34 PM »

Is it a new sensor? I know it's the same MP. ...

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18mp (no word on whether or not its a new or modified 18mp sensor
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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon to Announce 2 Cameras in June [CR2]

« on: May 17, 2012, 08:56:46 AM »

Almost everyone seems focused on the mirrorless. I'm anxious to see what this new Rebel is like. Hoping it will provide some clues as to the direction Canon will take with the 7DII. (At least I'll enjoy reading the tea leaves like everyone else.)

+1.  Clues, including the next generation of APS-C sensors, i.e. whether or not the 650 will have a mp-war sensor, and a IQ/DR sensor on the 7D2

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7D Mark II Info? [CR2]

« on: May 16, 2012, 05:20:55 PM »

exactly -- if we see a "mp war" type sensor emerge in the 650 then we will all start hoping that 7D2 will be different.  I wonder, for example, if additional investments in the sensor itself -- separating the 7D2 from the rest of the 1.6x pack, would ever happen.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7D Mark II Info? [CR2]

« on: May 16, 2012, 05:07:21 PM »

maybe we'll get some hints re:  the APS-C sensor roadmap when the 650D is announced.  A sub-$2K 7D2 with a new sensor would be attractive, esp if said sensor appears first in the 650D (and looks good) and then shows up in the 7D2 wrapped with better/faster DIGIC processing, 10 fps, updated af and a number of other goodies already mentioned here. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: 650D/600D wait or buy?

« on: May 16, 2012, 05:01:52 PM »

I think I'd at least wait for the 650 announcement, rumored for next month

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon to Announce 2 Cameras in June [CR2]

« on: May 16, 2012, 05:00:43 PM »

I wonder if the 650D will have a new APS-C sensor which will appear in the 7D2

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??

« on: May 07, 2012, 06:47:25 PM »

I Think y'all are making this pro definition too complex

Ok, here's the classic definition - a "pro" camera is when you wade through mud in the trenches, jump away from incoming grenades and after days of rain your camera is still working. That's when Nikon and their "F" got their reputation from... 

sure thats one of a few features that Canon and others have found people will pay for.  along with durable shutters, focusing at f/8, etc. 

but the most important concept to understand is that companies exist to make profit.  and the more profit they make the happier their CEOs and boards of directors and shareholders are. [...] And so Canon puts different features into different models, not necesssarily based on mfg cost (although that is certainly part of it), but based on what will make them money.

Indeed - but shareholder value doesn't only extend to the next quarter report, but beyond, too. And alienating the customer base that is (only!) currently pinned to one's product by their lenses & flashes is not a sound long-term strategy. So if you differentiate your product lineup too short-sales oriented and the mix of features in each specific product themselves do not make sense, you won't survive the competition.

  right, and all those things are part of shareholder value, unless of course you are a short term shareholder.  Marketing is marketing, and it can bring success or failure.  I view the 5D3 pricing in that category -- one wonders what Canon did or did not know, and if they got caught resting on their laurels, Suddenly propelling themselves into the "Higher priced mfg" label.

And Canon is really on the edge, e.g. with leaving out afma from the 60d or all the little software annoyances to make you wish for a better body while your current one would do just fine with a firmware upgrade. I hope they learn from the d800 - Nikon's reputation has skyrocketed around Canon users since then, and Canon might be sorry to have tried to squeeze every last $ out of 5d3 customers.

no argument there.  and I suspect they are carefully weighing the 7D2 intro, so that a D800-like embarrassment does not happen!   

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??

« on: May 07, 2012, 12:15:06 PM »

I Think y'all are making this pro definition too complex, but the most important concept to understand is that companies exist to make profit.  and the more profit they make the happier their CEOs and boards of directors and shareholders are.  Companies manipulate their SKUs and their product lines, including what they name their products and how many of them to produce, based on what their research shows what causes people to part with their money.  It isn't about who is better at all; in fact it isn't about the photographer at all, it is about what Canon thinks of the photographer. 

And so Canon puts different features into different models, not necesssarily based on mfg cost (although that is certainly part of it), but based on what will make them money.  For example;  there are people will read the number of MPs on the box and buy the commodity with the biggest number but don't want to spend very much money on it -- and there are cameras for those buyers because Canon wants their money.  There are also people who care more about eeking out that last bit of ISO/dynamic range and noise performance, and will trade that for a fewer number of pixels, and who want a camera durable enough to snap a half million frames, to work in  the rain, or perhaps at high fps with an AF system that will track birds and balls.   Others want to capture every mood of the pine cone in the shade of the mountain at a thousand feet.   My point is that some people are more likely to pay more for certain features, and Canon knows it, so bodies are spec'd and priced accordingly. Its market segmentation.   What we normaly think of as  a "pro" may be true in many cases (folks who are very succesful generating income with the equipment they purchase) , but really what we should say is that there are features that some photographers want which help them produce the results they want (whatever that is, even if it is a perception)  and they are willing to pay for it.  And Canon wants their money too.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D - buy now or hold off?

« on: May 04, 2012, 06:08:38 PM »

Have been following this forum for some time and appreciate all the insightful  remarks.  Budget doesn't allow a FF body now so am looking to a 7d.  Old film guy coming back to photography, so am a bit perplexed with the whole crop frame vs. FF arguments.  Still I enjoy the dialog.  Love my Xsi, can't wait to replace my t1i.  Drooling over a 7d.  Hearty cheer for the 10-22, 17-55, and the 70-200 2.8.  Many will scoff, but have had great results using the kit 55-250 in my studio.

+1 on that lens trilogy of 10-22, 17-55, and 70-200.  just add a 1.4x TC to the list!  I just sent my nearly five year old 17-55 back for its first repair.  $100 and she is back to new, so I'm happy.  I can't tell you how many times this lens has saved a picture, due to the IS.  remember that the equivalent FF FOV here is 27-88 mm, which is a very happy (useful) focal length range.  combine with f/2.8 and IS and we have a real winner. optical quality is, well, L-quality, you can read the reviews.  If this lens had a little better build quality and weather sealing it would have a red ring around it and cost $700 more

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EOS Bodies / Re: New Extensive Firmware for the Canon EOS 7D? [CR1]

« on: May 04, 2012, 04:21:37 PM »

 I think you and I are highlighting different metrics .  Just to be clear:  I am not calling out the time period during which a camera body is available for sale.  I am calling the elapsed time between intro and update -- that time period for the 5D2 is fixed in history;  it is defined by the time that elapsed between 5D2 intro date and 5D3 intro date, and that time period is approximately 3.5 years.  It is with respect to this metric that the 7D is catching up, with every passing month.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??

« on: May 04, 2012, 03:28:31 PM »

yea thats a CR1 level suggestion almost 3 months old.  I think our speculation here is just as credible, and based on the same level of credible evidence!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??

« on: May 04, 2012, 02:54:45 PM »

7D and D7000 are certainly compettors at similar price points, and there is no question that advanced functionalities are dipping into lower price ranges.    Personally I don't see room for all three (rebel, xxD and 7D) and the market may well be compressing that space, who knows. 

interesting shows to watch, to be sure.  But the 7D is still very succesful though, even with the D7000 in the picture.  there are advantages to each one (one stop shutter speed advantage on the 7D for example, and higher fps) that can be important depending on your needs.   

to propell the 7D into the very serious amateur and/or pro market would require taking on some of the pro-series features, like weather sealing, high-count shutter, grip, etc.  perhaps you're suggesting that Canon 70D should compete with D7000 and if that happens, AND if 1.3x goes away, then the king of the crop bodies may not be either of these at all it may be something betweeen "1" and "7" but not a "5"! 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??

« on: May 04, 2012, 12:46:31 PM »

So, there you have it.
The 7DII will either be a FF camera (unlikely) or it won't be called the 7DII but the 70D.

interesting analysis.  Still, the 7D can "put more pixels on the subject" and produce better IQ than the 5D at distance limited situations with the same lens and the cropped for the same FOV.  So if the 1.3x really goes away, then Canon will have abandoned the pro wildlife niche, in which case the argument would be stronger for a pro-level crop body.  In that case it probably wouldn't be called a 7D2 but a 3D!

but keeping the 7D in the 1.6x prosumer space has been wildly succesful so I would'nt expect Canon to merge 7D and 70D lines if they believe the market will bear it

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EOS Bodies / Re: New Extensive Firmware for the Canon EOS 7D? [CR1]

« on: May 04, 2012, 12:35:34 PM »

Except for the 1Ds3, 7D is currently as old or older than any other body in Canon's entire DSLR lineup since the begining. 

the 5DII is the oldest - I believe the 1DS3 is now discontinued

yes 5D2 is oldest but not by much (the difference is less than 15 percent).  I'm just pointing out that if you consider the time elapsed between intro and update (regardless of how long the older body keeps selling or when it discontinues), 7D and 5D2 are about the same -- for all practical purposes without splitting hairs.  yes, to be precise, give the 5D2 a few more months, but the "time elapsed between 5D2 intro and 5D3 intro" is fixed in history, and the 7D life is approaching that same figure with every passing month,  and "in the same league" if you will, as regards the lifecycle. 

1DS3 lasted longer than any body, at nearly 5 years.  then comes 5D2/7D, and then all the rest have been updated more frequently