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The new 70D and 7DmkII (if we see one) will have to compete over a long 2 yr or more product life cycle with the D5200 and D7200 -- and D400 (if we see one).   I think it is more plausible that we will see a new sensor in the XXd and Xd -- either an actually new and improved 18MP sensor that really does have lower-ISO DR improvement and high-ISO performance that are demonstrable for marketing --  more likely with something like a 21 MP count to compete with the Nikon products with their higher MP counts.   Then the T5i would finally get this new sensor a year or so from now.

Expecting a dusted-off 18MP sensor to compete for the next two years or so is not a compelling marketing plan.

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EOS Bodies / Can's Recent prices don't suggest a bargain FF, alas
« on: March 25, 2012, 08:13:50 PM »
Everything lately from Canon -- from the G1X to the 24 and 28 USM IS -- to the 5DmkIII has been much more expensive than one might have expected.   If there is new "entry level" FF I would be very surprised if it broke that pricing trend.   Expect an 18MP ff with 9pt AF and digic V at $2.5K.    Expect the new mirrorless -- if it has a G1X size sensor -- to be at $899 for body only.  And expect the EF/ef-s adapter for it to be about $300.

That is just the way Canon pricing seems to be headed.   I think the wish for a ff price breakthrough from Canon is bound for disappointment.   Sure hope I'm wrong about it though...    ;)

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Lenses / Re: Canon Rebates Extended Until March 3, 2012?
« on: February 05, 2012, 01:06:55 PM »
Judging from the 70-300 IS zoom, these rebates are now in place on the B&H website. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Patent: 400 f/4, 300 f/4, 200 f/5.6
« on: February 03, 2012, 04:26:08 PM »
Time for a dumb question: doesn't an image height of 21.64mm imply that these are all less than FF (24x36)?   These could be for ef-s (22.2x14.8), or even a future mirrorless system?   

I think more likely I'm just not understanding how the given image height factors into sensor size.   Anyone who can clarify, please do!    ???

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PowerShot / Re: Canon PowerShot SX240 HS Spotted
« on: February 03, 2012, 12:06:45 PM »
We haven't heard much about it lately, but I'm still hoping for a T4i next week! 

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PowerShot Cameras / 1/1.5 = 2/3 -- vs. 1/1.7
« on: January 05, 2012, 01:31:07 PM »
If we are talking 1/1.5", that is the same as 2/3".  The sensor surface area would be over 30% bigger than the 1/1.7.   

That is a nice bump up, but when compared to the N1 or the Sony NEX intro models at very roughly the same price it is less than impressive.   What could have made it more competitive is to start at 24mm wide, but that evidently is not the case.

I hope stavreski is on the right track, and we are talking about a sensor of roughly APS-C dimensions.

Or it could be the rumor is just bogus.    Ah well, we'll see...

source for sensor numbers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_sensor_format

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Canon General / G-Next: must be larger sensor
« on: November 08, 2011, 11:49:24 AM »
I can pay $600 for a Sony NEX-5 with APS-C sensor including a kit lens.  (599.99 with rebate and free shipping -- B&H 11/08/11).

$600 is the usual price point for the G-series camera, roughly.   For $600, do I want a 1/1.7 camera when I can get a slightly larger but still compact full aps-c camera for the same price?   Tough sell.

To compete effectively, I think the G-series has got to be larger sensor, hopefully full APS-C, even if it is still not an interchangeable lens camera.   I wouldn't be surprised to see the G-"Next" as non-interchangeable APS-C this spring, (hopefully with a nice reasonably fast 24-1nn IS lens) and the interchangeable lens non-mirror system at the end of the summer.   Hopefully all APS-C.

Another poster in this thread speculated that Canon is stupid.  ...I don't think Canon is stupid.   The question is, does Canon think we are stupid?   I don't think so.   That Canon skipped producing a G13 with a 1/1.7 sensor suggests that Canon respects the intelligence of its customers.

Now another major camera company producing a small-sensor interchangeable lens non-mirror camera with a tiny sensor and expecting us to buy it because of cute ads with Ashton Kutchner.... not so much.

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EOS Bodies / Re: *UPDATE* The Red Dot EOS DSLR
« on: November 03, 2011, 09:18:04 PM »
The 24 mm and 85mm cinema eos lenses are on display here also.   With a red ring AND a red mount flange it is a good bet these will have double red-ring prices as well.

So much for the 24,50, and 85 rumore being about replacing the long-in-the-tooth classic EF primes.   Hmmfh.


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PowerShot Cameras / Re: Large Sensor PowerShot? [CR1]
« on: June 23, 2011, 12:42:58 PM »
Canon T3 APS-C 12.2 MP is now $549.99 at B&H.   Take that sensor, put it in a G- type compact body, give it a compact lens that can be smaller and faster because it does not have to clear the mirror.  Seems doable for MUCH less than the competition.

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PowerShot Cameras / Sounds good to me
« on: June 23, 2011, 01:37:20 AM »
Aps-C sensor, or a sensor midway between the current size and APS-C, a reasonable non-interchangeable lens something like a 28-105 f2.8-4 IS, a hot shoe and a tilt swivel LCD, and full 1080P video.   That doesn't sound like to much to ask for in a $500 - $600 camera.   ;)

I've been staying off the G upgrade cycle waiting for a camera roughly along these lines.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 3D (Again) & 5D Mark III (CR1)
« on: June 17, 2011, 01:12:21 AM »
Perhaps someone can clear a couple of doubts. At Northlight Images, more precisely on the Canon 3D topic, there's a mention to a new sensor for 3D, and this:

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# 29th Lots of comment received about yesterday's 3D info, including a reminder of Canon's 3 colour sensor patent from last year. This from our 7D rumours page:
# A multi level 'Foveon style' sensor patent from Canon from Jan 2009 USP 20090008735
# "...proposes a photo-detection method that uses a two-dimensionally laminated image sensor in which a pixel has a multilayer structure and the three colors of RGB are detected at different depths utilizing differences in the absorption coefficients of Si. In this two-dimensionally laminated image sensor, a high S/N ratio can be expected because photo detectors having a spectroscopic function are arranged and loss of light due to the presence of a color filter does not occur"
# More Canon patents to trawl through at LP. You can get full PDFs of some patents by entering the patent number at http://www.pat2pdf.org/



http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_3d.html

I'm just wondering about the way Canon introduces new technology. If this turns out to be true, a completely new sensor, as in not an evolution of existing sensors, then perhaps it would make more sense in introducing this in another camera. It would also justify the high prices - new technology, expensive, not a high yield or a high yield but not enough orders to push the price down - this would put the new sensor technology camera at a higher price point than the for instance, 5D. At the same time, both the 5D Mk.III and the new 1D would share an evolution from the existing sensor technology, the article here at CR mentions the 5D sharing the same sensor with the merged 1D camera range. It would be risky to place a bet on an entirely new technology on your cash cow - the 5D, and the "brand representatives", the 1D. Canon would have a high end FF, the 1D, an "entry level", the 5D, with an improvement over existing and proven technology, while the 3D would introduce the first attempt(s) at a radical shift in sensor technology without having to sacrifice their existing cameras range and infuriating a lot of customers that have certain expectations from their material.
Then again, the 3D might be just vapourware, or part of an elaborate confuse-a-cat campaign.



And Northlight has a nice timeline table: http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_5d3.html#timeline

From the timeline I'd say Canon has their ducks in a row -- announce the 1ds replacement (the oldest model) with the new sensor (and Digic V) this summer, announce the 5dmkII (the second oldest model) replacement(s) with the new sensor / Digic V this fall (perhaps for early 2012 shipping), then rollout 7D mkII, 70D, and 700D in sequence with the new sensor / Digic V technology, with the announcement chronology parallel to that of the 7D, 60D, and T3i/600D -- throughout 2012.   That is also the order of incumbent model age.   Highest profit margin models get the new technology first.

The opinion will be posted that the flagship never pioneers the new technology, but in this case I think it will.  Canon needs to regain momentum in the sector, imho.

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Canon General / Re: Patent - EF 300 f/4L IS II
« on: May 26, 2011, 01:15:05 AM »
I am definitely interested in this lens -- at a reasonable price.   

Hopefully they can keep the price hike at or below 15-20%.

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Lenses / Manufacturing Issues
« on: January 23, 2011, 01:04:19 PM »
Could you elaborate on the "well known" production issues at the new plant?   Is this the plant that Canon started in Taiwan?  What are the issues?  The only thing I recall seeing is that because of the world financial situation, the plant was being brought up to speed more slowly than originally planned.  Are there other problems as well?   Just curious about the situation...

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EOS Bodies / Re: New Old Rebel Information
« on: January 15, 2011, 01:37:51 AM »
Actually a T3 with 12MP could be a useful choice.
Easier to manage file sizes and possibly better low-light performance --  (despite the spec ISO not being as high).   Depending on what it turns out to be, it could be a throwback mini-classic for those interested in an alternative to the MP race.

Trying out the widgets, too, my bad.   :-[

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EVIL (EIS)
« on: September 10, 2010, 07:24:26 PM »
This EIS stuff deserves to be moved to the home page as a new rumor-news item.

Anyway, the 18 x 12 sensor is 216 sq mm.   The Aps-c is 22.2x14.8 (329 sq mm), 4-3ds format is 17.3 x13 (225 sq mm)  (sourced from wikipedia).     So the sensor area is in line with 4-3ds, 96% of the image area.  For comparison, a G11 S95 1/1.7 sensor is only 7.6 x 5.7 (43 sq mm).

22 MP seems ridiculous at first, but it is lower in pixel density than the 15MP G9, or even the current crop of S90-95 and G11-12 cameras.     Having a mode that bins 4 pixels at a time gets you to the 5.5 MP mode they're talking about.   I would imagine that would improve low light performance as well as burst.

I think it's safe to say all the lenses they are talking about will not appear at once.

Very interesting stuff!

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