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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: April 02, 2013, 01:24:55 PM »
So, where does the 6D fall in? A market where users who NEED Wifi Controls and GPS built in camera. (Considering Eye-fi cards are a good compromise but don't allow control)

A market for users who want a $1600 camera, not a $2400 camera.


More like a market for a re-badged 1200$ 5d2 performing camera that costs 2000$.  :P

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D2 refurb or new 7D as backup to 5D3?
« on: April 02, 2013, 01:17:34 PM »
I would say a used 5D2 or a Refurb 5D3 when they come back down to the 2375$ pricing. The 6D AF isn't much better than the 5D2 IMO.

The thumb-jog doesn't really matter much on the 5D2/6D/5Dc because you'll mainly be using one point.  ;)

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: April 02, 2013, 01:08:32 PM »
As I said in my post, I needed to buy a 24-105.  It's a matter of perspective, but in my situation it was another $1000 to add to the cost if I was to buy new.

24-105L's are dime a dozen now. Many people are stripping the kit lenses out and selling them second hand for 750-850$ brand new in box. Even the 2350$ kit from amazon, when selling the 24-105L for the market price, at best its 1600$ for the body, Minus the effort and time to sell the kit lens.

While If you purchase the 5D3, sure its a few more dollars but your getting alot more camera for not alot more monies. If you really want value per $$$, a used 5D2 is unbeatable. So, where does the 6D fall in? A market where users who NEED Wifi Controls and GPS built in camera. (Considering Eye-fi cards are a good compromise but don't allow control)

You situation also assumes that the person must buy a kit. What if they don't want the kit lens?  :P

I'm not knocking any 6D users, I just feel canon didn't do it justice.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: April 02, 2013, 12:43:50 PM »
Why would anyone buy a 6D when a refurb 5D3 is only a few bucks more?

This isn't true at the moment, unfortunately.  Canon's discount of the 5D3 refurbs is off at the moment.  That being said, as I and others have documented, there are actually several things that the 6D does better than the 5D3, and it's lower weight is appealing to many people.  The 6D is much more of a camera than the specs suggest.  I have yet to find a person who has actually used one that strongly dislikes it.

I'm sure the 5d3 refurb sales will return but only issue is I found is the 6D bad value for $$$$.

Not everyone considers $500 - $600 to be "a few bucks".

And as many have said (with upturned nose), many buying 6Ds are coming from Rebels or xxD, and need a decent wide angle zoom to go with the jump to FF.  If I was to buy a new 24-105 from a reputable dealer I'm looking at $1000.  So I could say I picked up the 6D for $1400 in the kit.   A grand less than a refurbished 5d3.   I know you just can't seem to accept this, but not everyone feels they need to have a 5d3.

Your decision is fine. 6D is a good camera, but for 2000$? Eh, If I had to do it over again... I could see a 5D2 with some lenses or a 5Dc with alot of lenses and flashes or even a d700.

6D for 2000$ new or a Canon 5d3 Refurb (Basically new) for 2379$? It's a few dollars more, for alot more camera.

So....  you didn't read anything I wrote?

Sure I read it, did you understand mine?

I did, and I understand that you're incorrect.  It's not a few dollars more, it's anywhere from $600 - $1000, depending on your needs.

And it's only a lot more camera if it's something you're going to use; despite the mantra on here that you have to have the best.  It's a lot more AF, the other points are debatable, again depending on your situation and needs (a concept you have a hard time understanding).  I like the size/weight, I like using SD cards, I like and use the WiFi.  I guess I'm just a Rebel user, so you can dismiss my opinion, but I like these things.  And based off a review of what I've shot for the last two years, I'm not going to miss the advanced AF much.  I think a lot of people on here are in denial about that.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/892349-REG/Canon_8035b002_EOS_6D_Digital_Camera.html

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/892354-REG/Canon_8035b009_EOS_6D_Digital_Camera.html

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=13301.0


6D KIT - 2700$
6D Body - 2100$
24-105L - From 750$-1100$ depending where you shop.

At best you get the 6D body for 1600$ in a kit, assuming someone will pay exact value for it (Which no-one will)

At worst, the 6D body will cost around 2000$, assuming someone will pay the average price of 750$ for the 24-105L.

I've seen deals on ebay & craigslist for mk2 @ 1200-1400$.

Budget - 2700$

5D2 - 1200$
24-105L - Bought from a 6D users kit - 750$
100mm F/2 - 450$
50mm F/1.8 - 100$
430EXII - 200$

Both 6D & 5D2 numbers can be cheaper depending on where you are. Overall, I'd choose the latter. Thats how I view the 6D for value per $$$.


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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: April 02, 2013, 12:08:47 PM »
Why would anyone buy a 6D when a refurb 5D3 is only a few bucks more?

This isn't true at the moment, unfortunately.  Canon's discount of the 5D3 refurbs is off at the moment.  That being said, as I and others have documented, there are actually several things that the 6D does better than the 5D3, and it's lower weight is appealing to many people.  The 6D is much more of a camera than the specs suggest.  I have yet to find a person who has actually used one that strongly dislikes it.

I'm sure the 5d3 refurb sales will return but only issue is I found is the 6D bad value for $$$$.

Not everyone considers $500 - $600 to be "a few bucks".

And as many have said (with upturned nose), many buying 6Ds are coming from Rebels or xxD, and need a decent wide angle zoom to go with the jump to FF.  If I was to buy a new 24-105 from a reputable dealer I'm looking at $1000.  So I could say I picked up the 6D for $1400 in the kit.   A grand less than a refurbished 5d3.   I know you just can't seem to accept this, but not everyone feels they need to have a 5d3.

Your decision is fine. 6D is a good camera, but for 2000$? Eh, If I had to do it over again... I could see a 5D2 with some lenses or a 5Dc with alot of lenses and flashes or even a d700.

6D for 2000$ new or a Canon 5d3 Refurb (Basically new) for 2379$? It's a few dollars more, for alot more camera.

So....  you didn't read anything I wrote?

Sure I read it, did you understand mine?

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: April 02, 2013, 11:59:28 AM »
Why would anyone buy a 6D when a refurb 5D3 is only a few bucks more?

This isn't true at the moment, unfortunately.  Canon's discount of the 5D3 refurbs is off at the moment.  That being said, as I and others have documented, there are actually several things that the 6D does better than the 5D3, and it's lower weight is appealing to many people.  The 6D is much more of a camera than the specs suggest.  I have yet to find a person who has actually used one that strongly dislikes it.

I'm sure the 5d3 refurb sales will return but only issue is I found is the 6D bad value for $$$$.

Not everyone considers $500 - $600 to be "a few bucks".

And as many have said (with upturned nose), many buying 6Ds are coming from Rebels or xxD, and need a decent wide angle zoom to go with the jump to FF.  If I was to buy a new 24-105 from a reputable dealer I'm looking at $1000.  So I could say I picked up the 6D for $1400 in the kit.   A grand less than a refurbished 5d3.   I know you just can't seem to accept this, but not everyone feels they need to have a 5d3.

Your decision is fine. 6D is a good camera, but for 2000$? Eh, If I had to do it over again... I could see a 5D2 with some lenses or a 5Dc with alot of lenses and flashes or even a d700.

6D for 2000$ new or a Canon 5d3 Refurb (Basically new) for 2379$? It's a few dollars more, for alot more camera.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: April 02, 2013, 11:40:23 AM »
Why would anyone buy a 6D when a refurb 5D3 is only a few bucks more?

This isn't true at the moment, unfortunately.  Canon's discount of the 5D3 refurbs is off at the moment.  That being said, as I and others have documented, there are actually several things that the 6D does better than the 5D3, and it's lower weight is appealing to many people.  The 6D is much more of a camera than the specs suggest.  I have yet to find a person who has actually used one that strongly dislikes it.

I'm sure the 5d3 refurb sales will return but only issue is I found is the 6D bad value for $$$$.

Skirball (agreeing that 50's vehicles are steaming metal death traps) that malibu is front engine/trans/drive thus has more metal/weight in the front to crush the on-coming car. Just a note.  ;D

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: April 02, 2013, 09:21:34 AM »
Why would anyone buy a 6D when a refurb 5D3 is only a few bucks more?

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Crazy... go Nikon?
« on: April 02, 2013, 09:12:00 AM »
Nikon has better DR, but Canon DR is not limiting if you expose properly. We already knew this.

The photos are the end all. Does the comments of the members align with the photography they've displayed? If you appreciate photography, you will quickly find a lacking from certain proponents of overly strong opinions on this thread.

It was getting old, like a year ago.

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I think they just roto-scoped the stills from the video frames.  :P

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Canon EF Zoom Lenses / Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM
« on: April 01, 2013, 03:44:53 PM »
I don't expect this gallery to be very large.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Crazy... go Nikon?
« on: April 01, 2013, 02:41:05 PM »
:|

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EOS Bodies / Re: Lost and Found - Not an April's Fool joke
« on: April 01, 2013, 01:45:51 PM »
Canon Quality Water Housing's... you've earned back my respect.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Yeah, that is the future......
« on: April 01, 2013, 01:42:59 PM »
On this day? On this DAY they release a revolutionary tech like this?!?!? I could only imagine the reception for the Ice Toaster if it was released today.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Digital Film (for use in old camera's)
« on: April 01, 2013, 01:40:01 PM »
On A8r!L 1$t? R34Lly?

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