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Software & Accessories / Re: Adobe to Stop Making Packaged Software
« on: May 13, 2013, 10:09:22 AM »
Hmm... in 2008 I bought CS4 Design Premium for around $400 (as a student).  I still use it five years on.

With the new CC subscription, the cost of ownership by now would have been around $1800.  If I had remained a student from 2008 until now it would have cost me $720 (they offer 60% discount for students).  But I was only a student for one year (mid-life crisis), meaning the price from then until now would have been $1584.

I know which model I prefer.

As a side note: to those that had CS4, but now use CS6, are there many improvements between the two versions?  If there's enough incentive, I'll just buy a student copy of CS6 DP while I still can (my wife's now the student)... it's still $400...

Having your wife buy PS at the student price for you, who is not a student, is essentially pirating the software.  If you're willing to pirate the software part way, why not just go all the way and download it from the net for free.

Geez Man,

How long have you been working for Adobe....?

C

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Software & Accessories / Re: Adobe to Stop Making Packaged Software
« on: May 13, 2013, 10:05:54 AM »

People don't like changes and subscription model is a big change in the way how we get SW. It will become more common in the future and people will accept it eventually.

I sincerely hope not.

By having a consumer revolt, and not just letting this 'go' as many seem to want to do.....we might just let the corporations know this is not a path the consumer wants to be forced down.

Believe it or not, the one thing even large companies listen to is....the loud voice of the consumer pocketbook opening or closing.

If enough people unite against this....the voice will be heard.

A recent example, is the latest release of the game Sim City, which required an always 'on' internet connection to play what is essentially at its heart, a single player game.

Sales of that game were WAY below what was projected. People simply refused to be forced down that road on that game. Possibly EA will listen next time? If this type thing happens enough, well, they DO want to make $$ off you and that's the bottom line.

If you simple take it as a given and roll over, then sure...Adobe and other will go down this path.

Vote with your wallet, it is plain and simple.

C

You chose probably the worst example. EA is the symbol of companies not looking at customers feedback. Just go through their releases in past few years. A lot of them were disappointments with pretty negative feedback - Orgin included. The sales problem of Sim City was not in the "always online" but in the quality of the game. Gamers already showed many times that "always on" is not actually a problem (even you can read about it all over the internet).  We can put another example - Diablo III which shows that even with such "a big problem" like always on the game can have a huge commercial success.

As a side note I own about two hundreds games for PC (physical media and Steam) and XBox360. I really wish I could get them through some sort of subscription instead. It would save me a lot of $$$. End of off-topic ...

Subscription model is already visible in business environment where whole products are offered as a service and it slowly creeps into customer environment with different subscription based services or even products - for example Office 365. There are also subscription based products where you own the product at the end of the subscription but then you generally pay almost the whole product (or upgrade) every release cycle so its more like software assurance then a real subscription. So far I see subscription as more affordable way to get an expensive software even if it means paying more in the long term.

You know, I'm seeing several posters with extremely LOW numbers of posts.

I have to think we have some 'shills' on the list here, they seem to be endlessly promoting the merits of this new Adobe plan.

Just my suspicions.

C

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I don't have a version of PS, I was gearing up to buy CS6 Production Suite when all this hit.

So far, I've not run into any performance issues running anything in my VM. Heck, I've run things like the Labview programming environment in VM with Win7, and my mac doesn't even seem to feel the hit at all.
Is PS more resource intensive than say, running Davinci Resolve? Granted, Resolve isn't in the VM, but I've had it running as the same time as VM of Win7 with apps running in it, and there doesn't seem to be any perceptible performance hit.

Is it 'well known' that PS doesn't work well with a VM?

Just curious....I've not had any problems running stuff in VM so far....

I've got a macbook pro (late 2011 model), maxed out cor i7 processor for that model, and 16GB ram. Would that still not be enough to run PS in a VM of Win7 in your opinion?

IMO it is 'well known' that all resource intensive apps runs slower in a VM than as native apps.

If you are working with a Photoshop tool and it lags even a little extra because you are running it in a VM it will be a pain to work with.

Since you are not already using PS, why not just try out Pixelmator for a while instead? It is not Photoshop, but it is cheap and pretty good.

But really, the best option would be to take a deep breath, relax, rid yourself of the subscription fear and subscribe to Adobe CC. If you were planning on getting the Production Premium you want to edit video as well, right? Adobe CC is a pretty good deal if you use PS + Premiere + LR. Buying the boxed version might allow you use it indefinitely, but in a few years time you probably don't want to...
Well, thing is. I refuse to rent software, plain and simple.
I don't rent other things like music or videos of things I want to keep, and use as I see fit. I buy CD's for my music, bluerays for the few videos I want to keep, etc.

I'll buy the last CS6 suite I can get.

These days, hardware is becoming quite cheap and powerful, and running things in VMs is so easy today....most people buy modern computers and barely ever strain the CPUs or utilize all their RAM or GPUs.

This isn't just about this Adobe change. I refuse to be a consumer in this fashion for any software.

From what I've seen so far on Pixelmator from their tutorials, it doesn't appears to be nearly as sophisticated of a tool as PS. It *is* only $15, so I'll likely get it to play with, but I want PS to have to work with plugins I already have like the NIK software ones, etc.

I'll get the last one, and just use it for years to come till something else happens, either Adobe changes from renting software or till a competitor comes up that is up to PS level.

I'm seriously guessing, this move by Adobe will open that market up now.

And yes....corporations DO change their minds.

The dismal acceptance of Windows 8 comes to mind, and there are already rumblings of MS's next version reverting back to what customers want, the regular desktop instead of the 'metro' paradigm that the majority of people have balked at.

The consumer can still vote with their wallets.....it still does work.

So, whining is not a bad thing, if you don't want it, and enough people don't buy it...they WILL listen.

cayenne

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Software & Accessories / Re: Adobe to Stop Making Packaged Software
« on: May 11, 2013, 01:19:27 PM »

People don't like changes and subscription model is a big change in the way how we get SW. It will become more common in the future and people will accept it eventually.

I sincerely hope not.

By having a consumer revolt, and not just letting this 'go' as many seem to want to do.....we might just let the corporations know this is not a path the consumer wants to be forced down.

Believe it or not, the one thing even large companies listen to is....the loud voice of the consumer pocketbook opening or closing.

If enough people unite against this....the voice will be heard.

A recent example, is the latest release of the game Sim City, which required an always 'on' internet connection to play what is essentially at its heart, a single player game.

Sales of that game were WAY below what was projected. People simply refused to be forced down that road on that game. Possibly EA will listen next time? If this type thing happens enough, well, they DO want to make $$ off you and that's the bottom line.

If you simple take it as a given and roll over, then sure...Adobe and other will go down this path.

Vote with your wallet, it is plain and simple.

C

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Ok, I'm feeling pretty dumb right now.  ???-I went to the Canon website to load the new firmware to my computer. The only thing coming up an update procedure PDF. Is the firmware hiding in there somewhere. Help would be appreciated:) Thanks in advance!

So go here:
http://usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/slr_cameras/eos_5d_mark_iii#DriversAndSoftware
In the first drop list select the OS.
In the next drop list select the version

Next click the Firmware link below.

Now under "File Description" you will see "EOS 5D Mark III Firmware Version 1.2.1 [<Operating system>]".
Click it.

That will lead to a Disclaimer and an End User License Agreement and a button that reads "I Agree - Begin Download" (I would not have capitalized "A", "B" and "D" - but then that is me...). Click it to download the firmware.

Hope this helps.

Ok, I know this sounds boneheaded.....
I've found the firmware update to download, but I don't see the instructions there on HOW to install the firmware safely on the camera...?

Am I missing the link there on this?

Thanks,

cayenne

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So far,

I've looked at the tutorial pages for Pixelmator, and it seems to not be looking much like a 'pro' tool like PS.
The interface seems a bit cartoonish, and from the little I've seen of the demos there, they look to be most presets to select from and that's it...

Am I missing something? Others had said it may be the next best thing at this point to PS as an alternative.


Thanx,

cayenne

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You know that it will suck to run PS in a VM right?

What version of Photoshop are you using now? Why not stick with that as long as you can instead of throwing good money at the sinking CS6 ship?

I don't have a version of PS, I was gearing up to buy CS6 Production Suite when all this hit.

So far, I've not run into any performance issues running anything in my VM. Heck, I've run things like the Labview programming environment in VM with Win7, and my mac doesn't even seem to feel the hit at all.
Is PS more resource intensive than say, running Davinci Resolve? Granted, Resolve isn't in the VM, but I've had it running as the same time as VM of Win7 with apps running in it, and there doesn't seem to be any perceptible performance hit.

Is it 'well known' that PS doesn't work well with a VM?

Just curious....I've not had any problems running stuff in VM so far....

I've got a macbook pro (late 2011 model), maxed out cor i7 processor for that model, and 16GB ram. Would that still not be enough to run PS in a VM of Win7 in your opinion?


cayenne

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also, I dump the footage after the video is complete and the client is happy, so if i keep one 2TB hard drive on Thunderbolt or Esata then I should do pretty well with storage space shooting one house at a time.

Hey, just wondering, if since the BM 4K camera was announced, and also the BM Pocket Cinema camera.....have you reconsidered going BM and getting one of these cameras?

Just curious,

C

Yessir. I pre-ordered the pocket camera and will be using it with a Metabones Speed Booster and my Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8. I am also on the look out for a decent 1" c-mount super wide angle lens 5-7mm range.

Too Cool!!

PLEASE, do a post, maybe this thread, to give a report on how it all works,and of course, some footage.
:)

I'm looking to go this route too.
I didn't think the Speed Booster was out yet, or was that just for Canon lenses it isn't out for?
I'm trying to learn the differences and what I would need for the BMPC....I am a bit of a noob, and only know what EF focal lengths are like..not sure how to relate them to the lenses for MFT lenses...etc.

Thanks!!

c

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Yes - you have to choose which OS.  If your configuration plans include continuing to use VMWare, you have to decide which interface you prefer and if there is a performance difference between running in OSX vs. WIN7  -- Have you considered Parallels Desktop VM rather than VMWare?

Will you only install CS6 on the Macbookpro or do you plan on having a desktop for more robust editing, storage, etc?




Hi all,

I'm looking to buy the CS6 Production suite. I have a macbookpro. I'm wondering which version of CS6 I should buy?

I would prefer the OSX version, however, it occured to me, that with upgrades to OSX, at some point in the not too far future, the Adobe tools might no longer work.

I have VMWare running on this mac, and it can happily run Win7 for the few tools I need windows for....so, wondering since I can more easily 'freeze' Win7 in time with the VM, maybe I should get the windows version.

Am I correct in saying that you HAVE to choose which OS you get for the Adobe tools? That you don't get 'both' OSes for one price? That you have to buy it twice if you want a version for each OS?

Thanks in advance!!

cayenne


My macbook pro is beefed up to the max...max CPU, and I put 16GB ram in it (it is a late 2011 model).
It runs fine, I do FCPX on it, I run Davinci Resolve Lite on it...seems to run ok

I have off laptop storage that is running fine for now. I do my main jobs on the local harddrive, when done with a project I move them off to NAS and also to a usb 'station' that I can manually switch 1TB harddrives out of...

I use my mac laptop as a workstation, I have a nice Dell U2711 hooked to it, old style IBM heavy clicky keyboard....etc.

Ok...I'm now leaning towards getting CS6 as Windows, and running it in the VM on the mac.

Decisions, decisions...

C

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Software & Accessories / Re: Adobe to Stop Making Packaged Software
« on: May 10, 2013, 11:54:39 AM »
Here's a question for Mac users out there:

I'm still on my old Windows machines and long overdue for an update on both my main desktop and laptop. I've postponed this and it's not going to happen before the Fall now anyway and there may be some new machines out until then. But I've pretty much decided to move to the Apple world given how much I dislike Win 8 (and Win 7 is not really great either in my experience).

Problem for the photo stuff (and this is why it's in this thread) is my Windows Photoshop license (CS5) that I (according to Adobe) can't transfer to Mac unless I go and buy CS6. Given what Adobe is doing here I'm now even less inclined to do this and would rather stick to CS5 and LR3 which I'm perfectly happy with until a new camera purchase forces me to something newer.

LR3 will run under Mac OS and that now has become (still surprised by that) my go-to tool for 90% of what I do. For the occasional open heart surgery I'd like to run CS5 on a Mac (probably will be a tricked out Mac Mini first) in either Parallels (preferred) or dual boot (if I have to) in Win 7. Is anyone using it this way here? How bad is it? I'd expect it to be still better than what my current old desktop has to offer but thought I might check first. I won't have a gazillion files open or anything like that.

Easy Peasy!!

Do what I do....I have a mac as my main machine (I also have LInux boxes, but that's another thread).
You install VMWare on your mac...and thay way, you can run OSX, and you can run Windows (whatever version you want) in the VM (Virtual Machine), all concurrently. It doesn't even make my macbook pro hiccup running them both at the same time. I use Windows in the VM for the few windows applications I need.

While I was originally going to buy Adobe CS6 Production for mac...I'm considering possibly buying it for windows and running it on my windows VM, and that way I can "lock it in time" with the VM version of the operating system, and happily keep upgrading OSX and not have to worry with that breaking compatibility with the soon to be aging Adobe CS6 products.

HTH,

cayenne

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You should look into the new Adobe Creative Cloud. Adobe will only be offering limited support now to CS6 products and there will likely be no update (CS7) for you thus it probably does not make sense for you to pay the huge upfront cost for CS6 when there is no upgrade path.

Also, on the new creative cloud, you can use both Windows & OSX versions and interchange them if you ever switch platforms. This would be the best for you

There is a good write-up on the new Creative Cloud and how Adobe is ditching the CS6 standalone at: http://learningcameras.com/tips/5-all/142-adobe-creative-cloud-the-future-is-now-the-present

Check it out. It will go over the positives and negatives of the new subscription model that Adobe offers. You would be looking at $50/month but would get ALL Adobe products


LOL, you've obviously not seen my posts on the anti-CC move by Adobe.

Sufficed to say...I refuse to rent my software. I buy it (if you want to get semantically correct, I license it) for stand alone use for as long as I wish.

I will not be forced to rent software that requires a connection to the internet for phone home capabilities. I will not be held hostage for my files by a company with these policies.

I don't foresee anything in CS7 that I would just have to have over CS6.

Hence, my investigations on how to best buy CS6 Production suite for long term usage till either Adobe changes their policy, or a competitor comes out with a comparable product.

Thanks for the reply, but this research I'm doing is specifically to avoid renting software and having my files held hostage by a corporation.

Thanx,

cayenne

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Hi all,

I'm looking to buy the CS6 Production suite. I have a macbookpro. I'm wondering which version of CS6 I should buy?

I would prefer the OSX version, however, it occured to me, that with upgrades to OSX, at some point in the not too far future, the Adobe tools might no longer work.

I have VMWare running on this mac, and it can happily run Win7 for the few tools I need windows for....so, wondering since I can more easily 'freeze' Win7 in time with the VM, maybe I should get the windows version.

Am I correct in saying that you HAVE to choose which OS you get for the Adobe tools? That you don't get 'both' OSes for one price? That you have to buy it twice if you want a version for each OS?

Thanks in advance!!

cayenne

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I'll start off by asking...what about
Pixelmator (the latest version just released)  vs Photoshop

What can Photoshop do that Pixelmator is lacking?

Also, can someone tell me what the difference is between:

Photoshop Extended vs Photoshop vs Photoshop Essentials?


Thanks in advance,

cayenne

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Software & Accessories / Re: Alternatives to Adobe Software
« on: May 09, 2013, 11:30:56 AM »
Capture One seems really nice to replace LR but what if you shoot JPGs and not RAWs?

I used Gimp a while back and I think it's quite nice as well and can replace PS, you just need to get used to the new interface like any other software.  And by the way I've never liked PS interface.

The larger question is: Why do you shoot jpgs and not RAWs?

There's really no reason anyone today that has a good camera, capable of shooting RAW to be shooting ONLY jpgs. I can understand shooting both, as that there are times for a quick slide show maybe or immediate needs, but for anyone that Post Processes, there is really no compelling reason to be doing that with anything but RAW images.

??

C

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also, I dump the footage after the video is complete and the client is happy, so if i keep one 2TB hard drive on Thunderbolt or Esata then I should do pretty well with storage space shooting one house at a time.

Hey, just wondering, if since the BM 4K camera was announced, and also the BM Pocket Cinema camera.....have you reconsidered going BM and getting one of these cameras?

Just curious,

C

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