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EOS Bodies / Re: More Coverage of the Canon EOS M
« on: July 23, 2012, 07:45:57 PM »
The lens on the G1X is really high quality, according to some reviewers it's as good as an L grade lens

Interesting, then, that Canon's technical spokesman, Chuck Westfall, characterized the performance of the G1 X's lens as being similar to the EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS lens.  I haven't read reviews suggesting that lens delivers IQ equal to L-series lenses...

The MTF curves of the two new lenses are on Canon's Web site, and they look quite encouraging. At the least, they shouldn't be any worse than the Shorty McForty -- and that's already a damned high standard for a cheap consumer lens.

Cheers,

b&

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EOS Bodies / Re: More Coverage of the Canon EOS M
« on: July 23, 2012, 03:23:25 PM »
Neither the G1 X nor the EOS M are 'pocketable' for me (I don't think fitting into a cargo pocket in my oversized winter coat counts).  If it can't fit in a regular pocket, I might as well bring my 1D X...

That's exactly how I feel, except that I'd substitute the 5DIII with the Shorty McForty for the 1D X. At least the 5DIII + 40 looks at first glance like a slightly oversized G1 X, and they're roughly equally pocketable, when it comes down to finding an actual pocket they'll actually fit into.

b&

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EOS Bodies / Re: could the new EF-M mount support FF sensors too?
« on: July 23, 2012, 03:12:12 PM »

Take the longish zoom off the Canon and put on the Shorty McForty instead....
....
The only reason the 5D series has a reputation for being substantially bigger than a rangefinder is because all the comparisons are made with a normal slow prime on the rangefinder and a fast wide-to-telephoto zoom on the 5D. Mount similar lenses on each, and the size difference is more of a shape difference than anything else -- and the shape of the 5D makes it fit the hand better.

it´s a 35mm f2 on the leica and a 35mm f1.4 on the 5d mk2.
no longish zoom. :)

Eh, sorry. Looked like a 24-105 at first.

But, again. An f/1.4 lens has an aperture twice the size as an f/2 lens, so is it any surprise that it's also substantially bigger?

Canon's own 35 f/2 is certainly no bigger than the Leica version, and looks to be a bit smaller. Of course, Canon's f/2 is a cheapie consumer lens while the f/1.4 is their no-holds-barred lens...but, if you want no-holds-barred quality in a small, light, cheap package, then that's what the Shorty McForty is all about.

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a 35mm f2 would make things look a bit better for the 5D MK2 sure.. but not much.
walk a day with a leica and a day with a 5D MK2 through a city.   ;)

it´s not only size.
the leica is less obtrusive (at least to the normal non-photographer crowd).

You do know that that type of distinction exists solely in your own head, don't you? Anything that isn't instantly recognizable as a P&S zoom or a camera phone is going to identify you as a photographer, and something that looks like a retro antique (the Leica) is going to make you stand out every bit at much as something big with a red ring that you hold up to your eye.

The 5DIII with the Shorty McForty, on the other hand, just looks like a slightly oversized PowerShot G-series-style camera, especially if you use Live View. It'll only draw attention from other photographers, not the general public.

Cheers,

b&

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon EOS M System Announced
« on: July 23, 2012, 01:03:02 PM »
Frankly, the G line is dead.

...until the G2 X comes out next year, at any rate.  The G1 X is outselling the Nikon 1 on Amazon.  Believe it or not, there are people out there that don't want to muck about with changing lenses.  Just no one on this forum...

The EOS-M is being introduced at the exact same price as the G1 X -- that alone should be all the confirmation you need of the demise of the G line.

There are like 20 PowerShots all within a few $$ of each other.  How does the fact that two different types of cameras have a similar price mean one is going away?

The point is that EOS-M gets you a camera that's the same size as the G1 X with better specs at the same price. And there's nothing that says that you actually have to take the lens off a removable lens camera. How many people own automatic transmission cars with "sport shifting" who never put the car in anything other than park, drive, and reverse?

The EOS-M with the 22mm lens is actually a bit smaller than the G1 X, and decidedly more pocketable. With the new standard zoom, it sticks out a little bit more than does the G1 X, but not by enough to change the pocketability question. So, if you get the EOS-M, all you have to do to switch between a better party camera than the G1 X and a better photographic tool than the G1 X is swap the lens. A lot of people who never would have thought of getting a removable lens camera will realize just that due to Canon's very intelligent move of releasing those two lenses at the same time as the camera...and those are exactly the same people who would otherwise be buying a G1 X.

b&

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EOS Bodies / Re: More Coverage of the Canon EOS M
« on: July 23, 2012, 12:37:34 PM »
I don't think it's at all a coincidence that this is priced exactly the same as the G1 X. And I can't think of a single reason why I'd personally choose a G1 X over the EOS-M.

Actually, I can only think of one reason I'd buy any camera sized in between the most compact of high-end P&S (S100, Sony RX100) and a full-on dSLR - diving without the exhorbitant cost of a full dSLR housing and port(s).  The combination of the G1 X and the WP-DC44 gets you an APS-C sized sensor down to 130' and costing $1K.

Fair 'nuff...but I think you'd agree that submersible $1K APS-C is such an extreme niche market that it doesn't even vaguely register on Canon's marketing's consciousness....

b&

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon EOS M System Announced
« on: July 23, 2012, 12:34:30 PM »
Does it shoot RAW?

Yes.

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I'm waiting to see if the update the G line to compete with this.

Frankly, the G line is dead. The EOS-M is being introduced at the exact same price as the G1 X -- that alone should be all the confirmation you need of the demise of the G line.

And look for new Rebels to all be EOS-M as well.

Cheers,

b&

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EOS Bodies / Re: could the new EF-M mount support FF sensors too?
« on: July 23, 2012, 12:29:45 PM »
Eh, you've already got that, basically. Slap a Shorty McForty to a 5DIII and you're pretty much there. As far as image / camera quality, it blows the Leica out of the water, though, granted, it's a little bit bigger.

remove the "little bit" and i agree.  ;)

but still the leica is way better for street photography.


http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l8t5zxkUtf1qccbcn.jpg

Well, that picture is hardly a fair comparison.

Take the longish zoom off the Canon and put on the Shorty McForty instead, and now the Canon actually sticks out less far from the tip of your nose than the Leica. The Canon is still a bit taller, but the only part of the body that's thicker is the handgrip.

The only reason the 5D series has a reputation for being substantially bigger than a rangefinder is because all the comparisons are made with a normal slow prime on the rangefinder and a fast wide-to-telephoto zoom on the 5D. Mount similar lenses on each, and the size difference is more of a shape difference than anything else -- and the shape of the 5D makes it fit the hand better. (What, you don't think Canon could remove the right-side grip if they thought that was a problem?)

Cheers,

b&

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EOS Bodies / Re: More Coverage of the Canon EOS M
« on: July 23, 2012, 12:18:21 PM »
Well, I suppose there's another thing you can get in some Rebels that this first EOS-M doesn't have: an articulating screen. But that'll come soon, I guarantee you....
An articulating screen on a compact? I suspect, mirrorless or not, that will have to be as big as a G-series . . . I doubt canon will ever get rid of all of the current-sized rebels; they'd be turning away at least some people that either want a camera that's easier to hold or people that want the look/feel of a 'pro' camera.

But that's essentially what the Rebels will wind up being: G-series-style bodies with an EOS-M mount and an articulating screen. You get the bigger camera that looks like a pro camera, but with all the advantages of the compact format. And the prosumer G-series gets an ego boost by being part of the new high-end series.

I don't think it's at all a coincidence that this is priced exactly the same as the G1 X. And I can't think of a single reason why I'd personally choose a G1 X over the EOS-M.

Cheers,

b&

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EOS Bodies / Re: More Coverage of the Canon EOS M
« on: July 23, 2012, 11:39:10 AM »
Yup. It's a Rebel in a PowerShot body, and it won't be all that much longer before all the Rebels have been merged into the EOS-M line, as well as the G-series PowerShots.

Look at all the specs, and the only meaningful thing any of the Rebels have that this doesn't is the viewfinder. And the only Rebel buyers who actually prefer the viewfinder are starving students and penny pinchers. Anybody who actually uses a viewfinder knows that the Rebel viewfinders are dollhouse coke bottles and would only use a Rebel if there wasn't any other option.

Well, I suppose there's another thing you can get in some Rebels that this first EOS-M doesn't have: an articulating screen. But that'll come soon, I guarantee you....

Cheers,

b&

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EOS Bodies / Re: could the new EF-M mount support FF sensors too?
« on: July 23, 2012, 10:49:47 AM »
so no leica killer with an EF-M mount ;)

Eh, you've already got that, basically. Slap a Shorty McForty to a 5DIII and you're pretty much there. As far as image / camera quality, it blows the Leica out of the water, though, granted, it's a little bit bigger. As a bonus, you can mount pretty much any lens ever made to it, too, including all that sweet sweet Canon glass (like the TS-E 24 II or the 400 f/2.8 II) as well as all the legendary Leica and Zeiss lenses.

Cheers,

b&

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon EOS M System Announced
« on: July 23, 2012, 10:40:45 AM »
As I've been predicting, this is the start of the merging of the top end of the PowerShot series and the Rebel series. It's the latest Rebel in a PowerShot body, basically.

This camera isn't for me, but I don't have any Rebels nor PowerShot cameras, and I don't have any interest in such. However, many moons ago when I bought the original Digital Rebel as an upgrade from an Olympus superzoom P&S (my first camera), the EOS-M would have been very tempting, indeed. You get the latest-and-greatest APS-C sensor in a minuscule body and an entry-level price, plus you can mount almost any lens ever made.

I'm curious, though: what's the Shorty McForty look like mounted to this thing with the adapter? I'm guessing it won't be anywhere near as much of a pancake at that point.

Then again, I don't think 40mm is an exciting focal length on APS-C. Personally, were I to buy this camera, I doubt I'd ever take off the 22mm pancake...but, once more, I've already got a 5DIII with the ShortyMcForty body cap, so why would I want an EOS-M?

Cheers,

b&

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Why 18MP???
« on: July 23, 2012, 01:07:05 AM »
Eighteen megapickles is really a great size. It gets you 13" x 19" prints at (almost) 300 ppi, which is as big as almost anybody who uses APS-C camera ever prints and is more than enough image resolution for any application you care to name. It also gets you 24" x 36" prints at (almost) 150 ppi, which is bigger than 99 44/10% people with an APS-C camera ever think to print, and that's a higher resolution than your computer monitor. Or, it leaves you plenty of room to crop.

If you think back to the film days, almost nobody would think of printing even 135-format images at those sizes, and yet you can do it with ease with at 18 megapickle APS-C camera -- quite remarkable, really.

So, more would be better right?

Well, not really. The standard 18 megapickle cameras are already a bit of overkill, though by an amount comfortable enough for both room for error and for those who push the medium beyond its intended design limits. You're not going to be able to do all that much more with more megapickles at your disposal, except maybe crop a slightly bit more aggressively when you're shooting at base ISO, or maybe make 17" x 24" prints instead of 13" x 19" prints, maybe. But the tradeoff is larger file sizes, which means fewer shots on the card, and either a slower framerate and smaller buffer or more expensive onboard processing -- as well as slower processing in Lightroom / Photoshop / whatever...plus bigger hard drives, and all the rest.

All that overhead just so that a minuscule fraction of a percent of the userbase can push the camera even farther beyond the limits of sensibility?

What on Earth for?

No, if you're not getting the image quality out of APS-C that you want / need, do what photographers have done since the beginning: move up to a larger format size. And you can do that once and still use (most of) your lenses. And if the twenty-something megapickle full-frame cameras still aren't good enough, there's medium format up to a hundred or so megapickles, and then large format beyond that if you need even more.

But, realistically, damned few people even push the image quality limits of APS-C, only a small percentage push 135, and you probably don't have to take off your shoes to count those who push medium format's limits. Yes, there are absolutely advantages to the larger formats, and, no, you're almost certainly not one of the people who could put those advantages to good use.

Indeed, unless your printer takes ink by the gallon, 18 megapickle APS-C is perfect for you, with all the image quality you'll ever want or need without any of the headaches that come from bigger systems.

Cheers,

b7

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There's a hell of a lot more to the camera than just the sensor.

Ignore the 5DIII's sensor for a moment, and you've got a camera that, except for framerate, beats virtually every prior camera Canon had ever made on pretty much every spec -- and, similarly, save for framerate, beats virtually everything else the competition had made, to boot. And, at 6 FPS, it's hardly a slowpoke.

Now, add on to that that the sensor is the highest-resolution sensor Canon has made and is within 1/2 - 1 stop of the performance of their just-released flagship model...and remind me again why everybody is bitching that the 5DIII's sensor is "only" a significant-but-incremental improvement over the 5DII's already amazing sensor?

As to the question of the poll...well, it depends on what kind of a camera it is. If it's got the 5DIII's sensor, then we know the "film" is awesome...but what good would that do me if the camera itself is a piece of S___?

For the record, I fully expect any new full-frame camera from Canon will be of comparable value to the rest of their lineup. It'll be a fine camera, of that there's no doubt. It'll be more expensive than if there were no duopoly, but it'll still be reasonably priced for what it is.

And the fanbois will still scream incoherent bloody murder at something-or-other.

Cheers,

b&

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Technical Support / Re: Canon 5D Mark II error 20 Need Help!!
« on: July 14, 2012, 10:52:36 PM »
What I would do is to visit/sent it to nearest Canon service center.

This.

From everything I've heard, Canon's rates are quite reasonable -- especially on in-production models -- and you will not find anybody anywhere who can do a better job. You'll get your camera back in like-new condition, minus whatever cosmetic scratches you've already collected. And, if it turns out that it's so hosed that it's not worth repairing, only Canon will offer you a discount on a factory-refurbished camera in exchange for your old-and-busted one (via the Canon Loyalty Program).

Cheers,

b&

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 1DX training videos from Canon
« on: July 14, 2012, 11:04:34 AM »
Note that the 5DIII has the same autofocus system as the 1Dx, so most of these videos are of interest to 5DIII owners as well.

b&

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