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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: REVIEW: Canon 7D2 For Events? Perhaps...
« on: November 21, 2014, 01:22:44 AM »
I didn't watch the video. 

Ding ding ding!

If you're suggesting that image noise of a 7DII image and a 5DIII image with same lens/distance cropped to APS-C FoV are similar, ok. 

Ding ding ding!

But don't just take my word for it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTuBr0W0Zhw&t=17m29s

Like I said in my video, with NR and sharpening applied in post, you can get very clean high ISO images that are on par with the 5D3. As Northrup also explains, out of camera RAW noise is certainly worse on the 7D2. But I'm not arguing that anyone should be delivering unedited RAW files to their clients, either.

But, this discussion demonstrates my entire point... the fact that a crop sensor is approaching three year old full-frame sensor performance, to me, is mind blowing.

Perhaps I'm easily amused.  ;)

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: REVIEW: Canon 7D2 For Events? Perhaps...
« on: November 20, 2014, 09:55:33 PM »
Watched the video.
So what you are telling me is that the 7D2 with the right lens (at 100mm) is better than the 5D3 (with the wrong lens) at a similar focal length. Sorry that didn't blow my socks off. Much as I like my 24-105 F4 it is not going to produce the same results as a 70-200 F2.8 Mk2 or my Mk1 for that matter. Naturally the 7D2 has a narrower field of view and more, smaller, pixels on target - so what? Is its high iso as good? When the correct lens is used is it's resolution as good?

It's not about wrong lens or right lens - just selecting the proper tools for the conditions. The crop factor of the 7D2 can give you extra reach, if/when you need it. From what I can see, the higher ISOs are clearly as good as the 5D3.

I shoot a lot of low light events, where I am 100-200 feet away from the subjects I need to photograph. In the past, I would have used a 5D3 with a 70-200, and cropped my final shots to get the desired composition. Mainly because I don't think a 300 or 400mm lens is appropriate or practical for events; and now the 7D2 provides a suitable alternative.

With the 7D2 and a 70-200mm lens, I can get 360mm framing with 5D3 ISO performance in a lightweight package.

Pretty hard to beat! Of course, YMMV.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Sending my 7D2 back due to high ISO noise
« on: November 20, 2014, 06:01:39 PM »
Sorry it didn't work out for you and your needs but I'm very happy with the results that I have been getting.

Sick shot!!!

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: REVIEW: Canon 7D2 For Events? Perhaps...
« on: November 20, 2014, 06:00:34 PM »
Oops... please move this to the "Reviews" forum.

Thanks!

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / REVIEW: Canon 7D2 For Events? Perhaps...
« on: November 20, 2014, 04:41:53 PM »
I do a lot of event photography here in Denver; pretty much anything from conventions, conferences and lectures, to music and concerts, and everything in between. I know some people have been un-thrilled with the detail the 7D2 gives them in their bird/wildlife photography, but oddly enough, I think the 7D2 is a perfect companion to a 5D3 for events.

The ISOs and the extra reach (especially when you're forced to shoot from the back of a room), are incredible. I essentially got double the megapixels from the 7D2 (compared to the 5D3).

Here's a quick review and image comparo of an event I photographed last week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J3pS1-9fn8

PS: For those wondering why I picked 100mm as my point of comparison... I would've much preferred to compare 200mm between the 5D3 and 7D2, I just don't have two 70-200 lenses! Also, the room just wasn't big enough to justify 200mm on the 7D2, but hopefully, you get the point about cropping (images) vs. reach.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Sending my 7D2 back due to high ISO noise
« on: November 20, 2014, 04:12:41 PM »
In response to the replies, yes this is basically my dumb.  I had owned the original 7D and had similar problems with it, but I had too much hope that this was a much better step forward.  I seized on several positive reviews despite my own better initial judgment.

The sample image was mainly intended to show that I do in fact own the camera and am not a troll. :) The problem images will go in the delete pile...

Funny, I just did a video review of why I think the 7D2 is almost better suited for events when extra reach is needed, not birds/wildlife and detail. I can see where lack of clarity would be infuriating.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Focus problems with the Canon 7DII?
« on: November 09, 2014, 08:53:22 PM »
And that's IF they have a replacement camera on hand to send right away.

They do. He said he's getting one over-nighted from Adorama.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Focus problems with the Canon 7DII?
« on: November 08, 2014, 01:06:13 PM »
I wouldn't have hesitated, but then your experience is identical to mine with the original 7D.  Let's hope your replacement is much better.

Don't get me started on the original 7D. You can probably find my 4 year old posts in here somewhere, ranting about how awful my experience was.

It gives me palpitations just thinking about it.

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Killer video - thanks for posting!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Focus problems with the Canon 7DII?
« on: November 07, 2014, 01:14:24 PM »
FYI, I'd not recommend focusing on the zero marker after assembling the linked chart, for the reason above (the camera doesn't know which of the horizontal lines under the AF point you mean). 

Thanks for the correction!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Focus problems with the Canon 7DII?
« on: November 07, 2014, 09:51:33 AM »
The camera is going back to B&H on Monday and Adorama is shipping me a new one over night on Monday and if UPS delivers on Tuesday (Veterans day) then I'll have it then and I have that day off as our baby sitter can't watch our daughter that day so hopefully I do get it then!

I'll keep you updated. I'll also mess with the MA this weekend just to learn and see if it really does help but I doubt that it will.

Also - shoot in different conditions... get out and shoot in the day, see what the 7D2 does. It seems like your samples are all shot in low-light which, again, is where AF notoriously struggles.

I agree but in the same setting with the 7DI it worked fine... I did take some photos last weekend outside and the same problem happened, 1 out of 3 were out of focus.

I know you don't want to hear it again, but I don't think you should be using the 7DI as your point of comparison. Cameras are different and vary from system to system - especially models that are removed by 5 years. That said, you may still have an issue with yours, and an exchange will demonstrate whether or not that is the case.

Moving forward, I do not think you should be afraid/concerned with MF adjustments. I've never had a camera body that worked consistently with 100% of my lenses until MFA was performed. It's a painstaking/tedious process, but necessary for those among us who want repeatable/tack-sharp photos. Here is a good cut-out target you can make... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29571216/MicroFocus%20Adjustment.v2.pdf

You need an angled and labeled target so you can determine if your MFA is in front of, or behind, your base condition. It's worth playing with/learning, so you can get better at it in the future. FYI - aim for the zero marker!


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EOS Bodies / Re: Focus problems with the Canon 7DII?
« on: November 07, 2014, 09:25:58 AM »
The camera is going back to B&H on Monday and Adorama is shipping me a new one over night on Monday and if UPS delivers on Tuesday (Veterans day) then I'll have it then and I have that day off as our baby sitter can't watch our daughter that day so hopefully I do get it then!

I'll keep you updated. I'll also mess with the MA this weekend just to learn and see if it really does help but I doubt that it will.

Also - shoot in different conditions... get out and shoot in the day, see what the 7D2 does. It seems like your samples are all shot in low-light which, again, is where AF notoriously struggles.

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I am not putting down the camera, just saying that it is not for me as the difference between FF and this is vast. And since it will always be like that I will continue using FF till I can afford to. I believe now that the only reason to go crop is budget.

IQ and budget are not the only reasons people consider this body; many pros employ a 5D3 and 7D (now 7D2). With the buffer and FPS on the 7D2, there is simply nothing comparable in the class/price range...

5D3: 6.1fps, buffer maxes out at 18 frames
6D: 4.5fps, buffer maxes out at 16 frames
7D2: 10 fps, buffer maxes out 31 RAW frames!!

In three seconds of shooting on a 5D3 you've taken 18 shots and maxed your buffer - you get almost twice the shots on a 7D2 in the same time frame (not to mention the extra reach of crop). It's pretty astounding when you think about it. 

If you're not trying to capture the shot of an eagle grabbing a fish from the river, or the hockey puck entering the net, the baseball player swinging past the ball at the plate, or the race car driver making that amazing pass on the track, then the 7D2 is probably not for you. It is simply a specific tool for a specific purpose; one where both the 6D and 5D cannot measure up.

However, I'm rather irritated about the vast differences in sharpness between the models, for example the 60d looks very blurry vs. 70d/7d2 and the 6d is a lot shaper than all. Is this because of lens properties, aa filter, or... ?

This is the nature of pixel density and FF vs. crop sensors. Crop sensors cram more pixels into a smaller area. Think about it, the 7D2 has the same MP as the 6D and 5D3, with a sensor that is almost half the size. Even the 1D series employed a 1.3x crop APS-H sensor for a number of versions. Hence, the photosites on these crop bodies are smaller resulting in noisier (or "blurrier," as you call it) images. Canon, and all camera manufacturers have worked diligently over the years to improve the quality of crop sensors, and they have made great strides. But physics is physics, and you can only do so much with so much light, in such a small area.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Focus problems with the Canon 7DII?
« on: November 07, 2014, 01:38:34 AM »
I hate to stoke the fire, but I think recommending a 6D or 5D3 to the OP, or telling him to photograph a "moving" subject instead, is a terrible idea. Trying to argue that the 7D2 can only photograph sports/action, and is not suited for still subjects, is just, well, silly. It's a camera. Granted, it's a camera with a certain design intent, but it's not like we're comparing a Chevy Nova to a track-ready F1 race car.

The 7D2 is a mid-level pro-sumer body, designed to handle a wide array of subject matter and shooting conditions. It should certainly be able to focus on a child in a kitchen in relatively medium/low lighting conditions. Now, that said, low-light conditions are certainly where AF systems struggle the most.

I will finish this post off by saying this to the OP: After thinking about your posts/story more, the more I think your 7DI (which, based on your accounts, focused more accurately and repeatedly in all lighting conditions) is the likely outlier here than your 7D2. I use a 6D and 5D3 in my event work, and I constantly find myself in demanding situations where there is very little available light. I usually start events at ISO 3,200 and often push to 8,000 as required. Missed focus comes with the territory, and getting those tack sharp results in such conditions is a real chore. So, the fact that you think your 7DI is spot on, time after time in every single scenario, tells me you may have gotten incredibly lucky with that body. All photographers struggle with adapting/modifying their AF techniques as lighting conditions change. To expect repeatable/consistent AF in low-light is simply not realistic, and is not what you should expect with current technology. It's a sensor; it can only do so much.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Focus problems with the Canon 7DII?
« on: November 06, 2014, 08:27:10 PM »
This isn't the only lens this happens with. I'm going to end up having B&H send me another one in exchange for this one.

Please keep us updated.

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