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I'll expand the answer a little bit to head off any other questions.  Any one else with preorder experience please confirm or refute what I'm saying, as I've never personally preordered something with a demand (or pricetag) as big as this.

Any honest place waits to charge your card until they have one in hand to ship, and will charge you the current price if it is the same or less than the price you pre-ordered at, and if the price is higher they should give you the option to opt-out before charging.

I'm going to disagree with you on this one.

In my experience, most Canon dealers stand by the "money talks" motto when customers want to get in line for new product launches.  They will not be willing to give up a pre-order position to some one who can't back up their order with cold hard cash.  You don't always need 100% up-front, but pre-orders on announcement days usually require a $1000 deposit (or more) to show intent.  Otherwise, everyone and their brother would call up screaming "put me on the list" - and then when the shop calls 6 weeks later to tell them their 5D Mark III just arrived, they might change their mind and the shop would be out the wholesale money on their product orders.  Not smart business.

And don't worry - stores will know first thing tomorrow what Canon's MAP and MSRP pricing is for the 5D3.  This is one of the biggest product launches in Canon's history, so the prices will be set from the start.  And the MAP guarantees that all stores will be selling for the same price.

So - needless to say - anyone who wants a Canon 5D Mark III will need to shell out some serious coin to get on a pre-order list.  It's just the nature of the beast.  The shops are not going to put themselves at risk on the whims of thousands of photographers dreaming of the next best camera, only to have them back out weeks later when they can't come up with the cash.

3. how can one justify a $1500 increase on body only? $2000 vs $3500

Canon 5D Mark II launched in 2008 for $2699.99

A 5D Mark III in 2012 at $3499.99 would only be an $800 mark up.

Also, remember, the $1999 Mark II pricing was a Christmas special, and is still officially listing at $2,499.  Let's be fair and compare apples to apples here, and not apples to oranges. 

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: [POLL] I'm a 5D Mark II owner and...
« on: March 01, 2012, 01:38:37 PM »
Just got on a pre-order list... I'm definitely upgrading!!


Where do you get a preorder list?

I don't "officially" have a preorder submitted - but on a whim I called my local camera shop and asked if I could preorder the 5DmkIII.  They said they couldn't officially take any orders until tomorrow, but the guy offered to call me as soon as they open to get my order in.  Works for me!

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: [POLL] I'm a 5D Mark II owner and...
« on: March 01, 2012, 11:12:55 AM »
Just got on a pre-order list... I'm definitely upgrading!!


EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark III - Body Price At Announcement
« on: February 28, 2012, 11:47:40 AM »
I see absolutely no point to upgrade to a 5D3.  Especially for a $1,000+ price increase.  61-point AF system?  Who cares?  Who shoots with multiple points anyway?  Center-point focus and recompose.  That's how any serious photographer shoots anyway.  Do people want their cameras to compose their shots for them too? 

I don't think you know very much about photography. Focus and recompose is not a possible in MANY situations.


I have to agree with ScubaSteve here.  Using the center point to obtain focus, and then recompose the image can yield disastrous results at very wide apertures when shallow DOFs are being implemented.  I was trying to find a link to the Canon tutorial video I saw on this very subject about a year or so ago.  It was was a great lecture series where Rudy Winston of Canon demonstrated in his powerpoint how even the slightest re-aiming of the lens (after locking focus) can put the subject inches, or even feet, outside of the focal plane.  The video was titled "A Look at the Canon Autofucus System" and was part of B&H Photo's lecture series - but it looks like it disappeared when B&H revamped their website.

Even though the video is unavailable, there are plenty of articles that address this topic:


That said, I do agreed that in some instances, focusing-and-recomposing can work, but in many situations it is generally considered poor practice.  Regardless, making blanket statements like "that's how any serious photographer shoots", shows you just don't know that much about photography.  It also makes it difficult to take any other part of your post seriously.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark III - Body Price At Announcement
« on: February 28, 2012, 10:39:03 AM »
I'd easily pay $3,500 for a FF 22MP body with 7fps burst rate and a 61pt AF system.  It's like a 5D with 7D sickness.  Win-win!

If it's $3499 or less - and is indeed the specs I just listed above - I'll be ordering one the first day preorders are accepted. 


Lighting / Re: Do I need the 580?
« on: February 23, 2012, 11:33:41 AM »
I'd stay far away from the 580exII due to the arcing issue they have.  I've fried my pair of 580's twice now due to this issue, and they are currently on another trip back to Canon service for repair.

Wait for the 590 which, should hopefully resolve this issue, since it was allegedly fixed in the 430EXII design.

I'm excited just to see if Canon fixed the arcing issue in the 580EXII.  I've fried both of my 580EXIIs TWICE now, and they are on their 2nd trip back to service due to the dreaded "design flaw" issue called out by LPA Designs.

I hope the 590 is a proper design that allows for ozone venting.  Here in Denver, the dry air creates a real ozone problem, and I'm always worried I'm gonna blow my 580's out whenever I used them in HSS mode.  :(

Please, Canon, fix this damn flash!!!!!!!

Lenses / Re: Recommendation 70-200/2.8+2x vs 100-400 f/4-5.6L ?
« on: February 12, 2012, 01:04:25 PM »
I am going to spend money I don't really have on a tele lens later this year for my crop body, so I really want to get the right one. If anyone has experience with these lenses, please give me some advice... here are my thoughts:

What do you shoot the most?  And, how do you plan on implementing a tele-zoom into your workflow?

Intended usage is critical when selecting a lens/focal-length.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS-1D X Delayed?
« on: February 08, 2012, 02:24:37 AM »
Quote from: photogaz
Maybe wait until it comes out before you start moaning.

But I like moaning.  :)

EOS Bodies / Re: The Ultimate Question - Buy a 5D MKII today or wait?
« on: February 08, 2012, 02:07:52 AM »
while i agree with you completely, i am interested to know why you chose to shoot that shoot at iso 4000 and f3.5 rather than iso 3200 and f2.8? considering the 70-200 has very little benefit to sharpness in stopping down relative to wide open.

It was a deathly quiet lecture, and I was directed not to shoot excessively to avoid distracting the audience with "clicks".  That said, I knew going in that my image count would be low.  And, as expected, my first sort yielded only 87 high quality "keepers", which will probably be cut down to 40 or less final images that are passed on to the client.  For a client that typically sees 200+ images for my event work, this may come as a surprise (but they understand the shooting limitations).

So... since I knew my shots would be a "one and done" type approach, I dropped the aperture down to improve focus and maximize keepers.  f/2.8 owns when I can shoot as much as I want, but when I can only shoot a couple times a minute - I need to know my focus is on 100% of the time - and f/3.5 gives me that extra security of knowing my DOF won't miss in those types of strict shooting environments.

Just my $0.02.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS-1D X Delayed?
« on: February 08, 2012, 02:03:47 AM »
What makes you so sure about this?


Given today's announcement of an over-priced ($2,299) and under-performing (non-IS) 24-70mm lens, with a whacked out (82mm) filter size... I have no confidence whatsoever in Canon right now.  I really wonder if Chuck Westfall and the design team are sitting around smoking dank doobies off the profits from all the 5DMKII sales, talkin' about how rootin' tootin' their 21MP flagship is, and how all they need to do is make few "tweaks" and price jumps to beloved gear like the 24-70 to stay competitive.  Prolly a few lines of blow tossed in for good measure too.

This "high end DSLR" coming in "late February" better be gawd damned facking mind blowing considering the D800 and today's joke of a fahckin joke lens release.  Otherwise... I'm gonna start shooting porn with polaroids, selling it as "high class art" and slapping $4,500 price tags on prints for enlarged pictures of hairy vadge.


How's that for a fahckin rant??????????

EOS Bodies / Re: The Ultimate Question - Buy a 5D MKII today or wait?
« on: February 08, 2012, 01:52:39 AM »
I have been renting cameras for sometime now or using my t2i. I went to buy a
5D Mk II today and could not pull the trigger out of fear that a new one could be released anyday now? As we all know this is an ongoing problem for many canon users looking to upgrade at this time so I want hear people thoughts.   Buy a 5d MK II today or Wait?

I got a 5D during the Xmas sales and I'll never regret it.  For $2k it's the best frickin' bang for your buck for any DSLR on the market right now. 

Shot last night... 4000 frickin ISO... f/3.5... dark auditorium... 100feet away... 70-200mm lens at f/3.5 (IS on)...

You just can't beat that for $2k right now.  Get the MKII -- you won't regret it.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: D800 - Sample Photos
« on: February 07, 2012, 11:58:19 AM »
the landscape images i saw look not better then the ones from a 5D MK2.

so im still skeptical.....

I don't think you're understanding my argument...

It's not about being "better", it's about pixel density and DPI.  Stretching a 22MP image to a 6-foot wide print is worlds away from stretching a 37MP image to a 6-foot wide print.  The less stretching required, the better clarity on the resultant print.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: D800 - Sample Photos
« on: February 07, 2012, 11:38:13 AM »
But those fingers are a bit noisy... :)

That hand is outside the DOF...  look at the hand on the opposite side of the frame.  Tacky sharp.

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