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That article shows the difference between a proshooter and an enthusiast  ;)

That being said, it took for someone here at CR, to make me aware of the fix to my annoyance over not being able to skip menu tab's. Just press the Q-button, wonderful!

Viggo...I had a similar experience with the Q button....I find it very handy now.

Also...I noticed after reading this article that my AF mode was not set to "quick " view when i checked it....in other words, the default from the factory is not quick view (unless I unknowingly switched mine)....Good to know if you shoot action because you should probably switch it to quick.

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Thank you all for looking!

Northstar, I went the opposite route of what you did...I adjusted max 'Auto ISO range' to 51200.  Also adjusted 'ISO speed range' to 204800.  Not very useable at 204800 (as I've mentioned, I'm not a pixel-peeper nor a chart-shooter)...lots of color noise and loss of detail.  In a pinch, sure.  For the web, I wouldn't have second thoughts at 102400.  In comparison, I wouldn't have second thoughts (again, for the web) at 51200 on my 5DM3.  Northstar, when you get a chance, perhaps you can put your 1D X and 5DM3 through its paces based on my findings and validate or refute my observations.  Thanks in advance.

Having said that, Northstar, I realize and understand why you chose to set max 'Auto ISO range' to 6400.  Final exposure is, after all, dependent on shooting factors and like most everything photography-related, subjective.  We all configure our tools to work best for our shooting style.

D...yes, at some point I'll do some simple comparisons....I sometimes do a little pixel peeping so when I get past 6400 ISO, I start getting nervous   ;)

Sligtly off topic....I just read the following article on 1dx settings from a sports illustrated staff photographer....I found some of the info helpful...

http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/2678

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Hey Everyone!

Oh 1D, how do I love thee?  Let me count the ways.....  :D

Just got my 1D X yesterday.  Been gun-shy because of this little "issue"(http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=10847.45) (credit to Northstar for starting the thread).

Anyways, just thought I'd share some of my ambient lowlight shots.  All with a 100L.  All SOOC JPEGs...no PP.  Absolutely unscientific and non-award-winning...all snapshots.  Just toying around with on-cam settings and familiarizing myself with the abundant (current 5DMk3 owner) settings.  The 1D X molds in my hand way better than my 5DMk3 with BG-E11.  So far, it's been a joy to use.

http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/26582718_4k7KQD

Just to let you all know where I'm coming from and for future reference, I'm not a pixel-peeper nor a chart-shooter.  No disrespect whatsoever to people that do...just not my cup of tea.

D...what level of noise reduction did you use on these jpegs?   Also, did you use a tripod?

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For the record....Adorama took my concern seriously (I sent several close up pics) and I was contacted by a rep.  They offered me the opportunity to send it back free of charge.

So I would have to give Adorama credit for how they handled my concern, and I'll continue to buy from them.

I'm glad to know Adorama is taking care of you.  They're great.  So is B&H.  Really haven't had any serious issues dealing with either of them in the past.

As for me, I'm waiting till tomorrow to give B&H a call and see how to move forward on this.  If I get some downtime this week, might also swing by Canon Irvine.  I'll keep you posted, Northstar.  Do keep me posted as well.  Thanks.

Northstar, sorry but I just need to ask you a quick q.  When you said, "They offered me the opportunity to send it back free of charge.", did you mean Adorama is going to cover shipping both ways of your 1D X replacement (if you decide to take that route) in addition to the shipping charges you had paid for your current 1D X will be credited back as well?  I ask because I opted for overnight shipping on mine and that costed a pretty penny (NY to CA).  I will definitely choose overnight shipping on my replacement (if I decide to take that route).  I'm wondering if I should try and ask to recoup that.  I'm not a hard customer to deal with and don't want to push the envelope in regards to what kind of concessions B&H can, would, and should offer me as remuneration for my "issue".  Thanks in advance, Northstar.

Dwight....it appears that it's ground shipping both ways free....I honestly haven't thought about it too much though because the camera seems just fine and I'm keeping it.

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For the record....Adorama took my concern seriously (I sent several close up pics) and I was contacted by a rep.  They offered me the opportunity to send it back free of charge.

So I would have to give Adorama credit for how they handled my concern, and I'll continue to buy from them.

So does that mean you are going to return it, get a new box or just forget it assuming they assured you it was indeed new?  (Just curious.)


Rusty...a few posts back I described how I worked the <1000 shutter count strategy to find out my 1dx had never been used.  So for now, I'm happy and it appears everything is fine.(other than having a beat up box for resale someday)


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For the record....Adorama took my concern seriously (I sent several close up pics) and I was contacted by a rep.  They offered me the opportunity to send it back free of charge.

So I would have to give Adorama credit for how they handled my concern, and I'll continue to buy from them.

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BTW, Northstar, you should update your sig now.  As for me, haven't gotten around to try and figure out how to put up a sig...will soon.

Done, thanks D!

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Hey Everyone!

Oh 1D, how do I love thee?  Let me count the ways.....  :D

Just got my 1D X yesterday.  Been gun-shy because of this little "issue"(http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=10847.45) (credit to Northstar for starting the thread).

Anyways, just thought I'd share some of my ambient lowlight shots.  All with a 100L.  All SOOC JPEGs...no PP.  Absolutely unscientific and non-award-winning...all snapshots.  Just toying around with on-cam settings and familiarizing myself with the abundant (current 5DMk3 owner) settings.  The 1D X molds in my hand way better than my 5DMk3 with BG-E11.  So far, it's been a joy to use.

http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/26582718_4k7KQD

Just to let you all know where I'm coming from and for future reference, I'm not a pixel-peeper nor a chart-shooter.  No disrespect whatsoever to people that do...just not my cup of tea.

D...nice!  I may just have to consider switching my auto iso max higher than the current 6400 after seeing these.

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I did inspect everything.  I started to get very curious once I saw the open plastic packaging on the manuals.  The anal side of me kicked in.  In my case, when I opened the lid on the 1D X black box, the first item was the reg. card, then the CDs, then the manuals...all in the top compartment.  Once I popped those and the cardboard out, there was the camera box and to my right was a space/slot for the neckstrap (in its own bag), eyepiece and cable protector (in their own bag).  I guess I should've done an unboxing vid.  Though I know you all are gonna be so thrilled about it!  ;D  Everything from there on out was pristine.  No fingerprints.  No dust on the LCDs and eyepiece.  No unraveled cables.  Not even a misaligned anti-static bag flap nor a bubble wrap flap...did I tell you I was anal?!  :P  Once I took out the 1D X compartment, I got to the A/V cables, battery, and charger.  Everything was totally in check yet again.  I would appreciate it if others would chime in on their experiences and thoughts on this.

Just to add something to what Neuro had said, in regards to the 1" x 6" yellow tape, on mine, it was on the battery charger (to hold the battery slot covers in place).  Also, adding to what a couple of people have already mentioned in regards to the plastic bag used to protect against water and moisture, I can confirm that Adorama does this.  Those bags are never sealed...they're just regular commercial-grade plastics bags.  I do not recall having received any products from B&H in the past that had this plastic bag.  Hope that helps.
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Dwight...the way you described your 1DX packaging is the same as mine...to the letter.  only difference is that my manuals were in a sealed bag. 

If it comforts you at all, I hit the 1000 shutter count today when I went to shoot some basketball and hockey.  I carefully watched the <1000 shutter count the entire time....it changed exactly at 1001. (the camera menu actually reads less than or equal to 1000)  So, my 1DX was untouched and never shot.  whew!

I'm pretty happy at this point because this camera is INCREDIBLE!  WOW.  Again, for sports, the 1DX's speed and quick AF are just incredible.  For almost all other types of still shooting, the 5D3 is just as good from what I'm seeing....maybe wedding receptions the 1DX would be better too.



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Hello everyone!  Been lurking on this wonderful forum for several months now.  I should say I've learned so many things  from a lot of the members...especially the senior (don't mean the age  :) ) members.

I realize the topic of this thread and I apologize in advance to the OP and to everyone for jumping in on this thread.  Didn't wanna create another thread.  The discussion veered off from any possible discounts on the 1D X for the holidays to the OP getting his/her camera that to his/her eyes "looks perfect" but have "lingering reservations" due to the condition of the 1D X box.

To the OP, you and I ordered almost the same time.  Ordered from B&H Wed. night and got my new toy today.  Cutting to the chase, first, the shipping box (brown box that B&H packed my 1D X in) was undamaged and bone dry (been raining intermittently in SoCal).  Next, my black 1D X box, like the OP observed on his, had a few scratches and marks all around it and a slightly dented outer bottom corner.  Personally, I wasn't really concerned with all this, although just like any other adult buying an expensive new toy, believe me, I'm anal about the packaging as well.  The thing that I'm most concerned about (I know, I finally get to the cusp of my dilemma huh  ;D ) is that the plastic packaging of the manuals [i.e. Instruction Manual (English/Spanish), LAN Instruction Manual (English/Spanish), Pocket Guides) was open.  Mind you, it was not ripped...it was neatly cut open on one of its long side (the plastic packaging is rectangular looking from the top).  Everything else in the box, including the box/compartment for the camera was neat and intact and as far as I could tell the camera and its accessories were all untouched.  Knowing that actuation counter couldn't give a more precise number, here's what I thought.  I thought maybe Canon or B&H opened the box and cut the Instruction Manuals' packaging open to replace the manuals with the updated manual (CPH-E011-002) after the 1.1.1 firmware update.  Sadly, I have the old manual (CPH-E011-001).  Had I received the new manual, my dilemma would have been put to rest right there and then.  Now, may I ask everyone's opinion on this and how you personally would deal with this situation...if this had happened to your camera, would you exchange it?  Would you take it to Canon (Irvine's a 45 min. drive from my place) to have them get the exact actuation count on my camera (if this is even possible)?  Or are you just gonna live with it thinking that the plastic packaging might have been "ripped" in transit through the supply chain?

I apologize again for a very long-winded first post.  If you have read this far, I truly appreciate your time and patience.  Thank you in advance for your thoughts on this.

dwight...as you've read, I know exactly how you feel.  with a lens of this price, the box should come sealed in a high strength plastic bag that has some sort of "canon seal" on the bag that indicates that it was factory wrapped and sealed....so guys like us (and I'm sure there are many others) would know that they are getting a factory sealed and wrapped 1DX that has never played "played with" by a store employee or another customer.    For their "pro line flagship" camera at this price, this is just the way it should be.

I'm going to continue with my check the actuations count strategy every 50 shots up to the <1000 counter on the 1DX ....and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that when I get to 800, 900, and especially 999, that it still says less <1000.   

For your plastic bag situation.. I share your concern.  I guess I would inspect the camera very carefully under bright lights to look for anything suspicious....and then maybe follow a similar strategy as me.  it's either that or return it...and like I said, I wouldn't blame you for returning it.

Thanks for your reply and insight, Northstar.  Were you witholding information from us?  :o Did you leave out the part where you bought a new flaghip lens with your flagship body?  ;)

Totally agree...on a flagship body, the box should be stretch wrapped.  Having said that, none of my DSLR bodies' boxes (the 1D X is my first 1-Series body) have ever been sealed nor wrapped .  The only ones that are sealed (not by Canon, but by the retailer), IIRC, were PnS cams bought from Fry's and Best Buy (no idea if they're still doing this).

I think your actuations count strategy is a good plan.  In my case, I can't do that without going over B&H exchange policy of 200 actuations.  For me, like I've said, Canon Irvine is about a 45min. drive away.  I'm gonna give them a call on Monday and see if they can get help me get the exact actuation count.  Anyone have previous experiences with this type of service from Canon Irvine, feel free to chime in.

I did inspect everything.  I started to get very curious once I saw the open plastic packaging on the manuals.  The anal side of me kicked in.  In my case, when I opened the lid on the 1D X black box, the first item was the reg. card, then the CDs, then the manuals...all in the top compartment.  Once I popped those and the cardboard out, there was the camera box and to my right was a space/slot for the neckstrap (in its own bag), eyepiece and cable protector (in their own bag).  I guess I should've done an unboxing vid.  Though I know you all are gonna be so thrilled about it!  ;D  Everything from there on out was pristine.  No fingerprints.  No dust on the LCDs and eyepiece.  No unraveled cables.  Not even a misaligned anti-static bag flap nor a bubble wrap flap...did I tell you I was anal?!  :P  Once I took out the 1D X compartment, I got to the A/V cables, battery, and charger.  Everything was totally in check yet again.  I would appreciate it if others would chime in on their experiences and thoughts on this.

Just to add something to what Neuro had said, in regards to the 1" x 6" yellow tape, on mine, it was on the battery charger (to hold the battery slot covers in place).  Also, adding to what a couple of people have already mentioned in regards to the plastic bag used
 to protect against water and moisture, I can confirm that Adorama does this.  Those bags are never sealed...they're just regular commercial-grade plastics bags.  I do not recall having received any products from B&H in the past that had this plastic bag.  Hope that helps.


Dwight...your description of how it was packaged was exactly the same as mine

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I have read 100% of this thread, and I stand over my earlier point that it is a fallacy to suggest that a stills only DSLR would cost substantially less to purchase + would have better IQ.
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I agree with you on this point about "substantially" less and "better IQ".  You're right, that's not going to happen.

But how about "a little bit less" and "optimized" for stills....a camera marketed to that "more than 50%" number I referenced.   

Anyway...I think if it was conceptualized, built, and marketed to this target market, it would be successful. IMO.



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Hello everyone!  Been lurking on this wonderful forum for several months now.  I should say I've learned so many things  from a lot of the members...especially the senior (don't mean the age  :) ) members.

I realize the topic of this thread and I apologize in advance to the OP and to everyone for jumping in on this thread.  Didn't wanna create another thread.  The discussion veered off from any possible discounts on the 1D X for the holidays to the OP getting his/her camera that to his/her eyes "looks perfect" but have "lingering reservations" due to the condition of the 1D X box.

To the OP, you and I ordered almost the same time.  Ordered from B&H Wed. night and got my new toy today.  Cutting to the chase, first, the shipping box (brown box that B&H packed my 1D X in) was undamaged and bone dry (been raining intermittently in SoCal).  Next, my black 1D X box, like the OP observed on his, had a few scratches and marks all around it and a slightly dented outer bottom corner.  Personally, I wasn't really concerned with all this, although just like any other adult buying an expensive new toy, believe me, I'm anal about the packaging as well.  The thing that I'm most concerned about (I know, I finally get to the cusp of my dilemma huh  ;D ) is that the plastic packaging of the manuals [i.e. Instruction Manual (English/Spanish), LAN Instruction Manual (English/Spanish), Pocket Guides) was open.  Mind you, it was not ripped...it was neatly cut open on one of its long side (the plastic packaging is rectangular looking from the top).  Everything else in the box, including the box/compartment for the camera was neat and intact and as far as I could tell the camera and its accessories were all untouched.  Knowing that actuation counter couldn't give a more precise number, here's what I thought.  I thought maybe Canon or B&H opened the box and cut the Instruction Manuals' packaging open to replace the manuals with the updated manual (CPH-E011-002) after the 1.1.1 firmware update.  Sadly, I have the old manual (CPH-E011-001).  Had I received the new manual, my dilemma would have been put to rest right there and then.  Now, may I ask everyone's opinion on this and how you personally would deal with this situation...if this had happened to your camera, would you exchange it?  Would you take it to Canon (Irvine's a 45 min. drive from my place) to have them get the exact actuation count on my camera (if this is even possible)?  Or are you just gonna live with it thinking that the plastic packaging might have been "ripped" in transit through the supply chain?

I apologize again for a very long-winded first post.  If you have read this far, I truly appreciate your time and patience.  Thank you in advance for your thoughts on this.

dwight...as you've read, I know exactly how you feel.  with a lens of this price, the box should come sealed in a high strength plastic bag that has some sort of "canon seal" on the bag that indicates that it was factory wrapped and sealed....so guys like us (and I'm sure there are many others) would know that they are getting a factory sealed and wrapped 1DX that has never played "played with" by a store employee or another customer.    For their "pro line flagship" camera at this price, this is just the way it should be.

I'm going to continue with my check the actuations count strategy every 50 shots up to the <1000 counter on the 1DX ....and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that when I get to 800, 900, and especially 999, that it still says less <1000.   

For your plastic bag situation.. I share your concern.  I guess I would inspect the camera very carefully under bright lights to look for anything suspicious....and then maybe follow a similar strategy as me.  it's either that or return it...and like I said, I wouldn't blame you for returning it. 

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It's not a care or a worry, I just wonder what cool advancements, features, etc would/could be possible if some (or all) of the energy spent on developing better video on the still camera were just dedicated to the still camera.

It's not really zero sum in that sense though. That is, more "energy" spent on developing better video does not mean less "energy" spent on the stills camera. (in fact it's probably the other way around -- if video functionality helps raise R&D dollars that a stills-only camera would not be able to raise, then spending more "energy" on the video features actually means that more is available for enhancing stills).

+1000000000000000

Canon spend a FIXED % of net sales on R&D each year. [Read the financial statements of the company whose product you purport to care about so much that you so readily profess to comment on it's products features]

Video functionality = HIGHER SALES = MORE REVENUE = MORE R&D  ....really is that simple folks

So to those people who are not listening or reading earlier posts, a stills only DSLR will likely cost more to produce, and will have LESS money spent on R&D......... thus you cannot get a DSLR that costs proportionately more to produce (lower sales volume, thus lower production quantity = higher per unit fabrication cost) for less money?

Why keep reiterating nonsense that you want a 5D3 w/out Video with 15-stops of latitude for $500 less, when its gonna cost more to manufacture? :o >:( :( ;) ??? ::) :-[


edit: the original OP is about a dedicated 'purist' photography DSLR-only camera, but this thread has morphed into another whinge about Canon's pricing policy

DB...i don't think you've read through this entire thread very well because if you had you would realize that there does seem to be some interest in a camera without video. 

Think of it this way...ALL new dslr's have video, entry level crops all the way up to FF pro bodies.  With that said, I would venture a guess that better than 50% of dslr camera users DON'T use the video or rarely use it....so, if you're a marketing person at canon and I present you this information, you would be smart to think of a way to take advantage of this info/opportunity to sell/market a differentiated camera....just as the OP suggests.

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A 1DX can display the actual shutter count.  See pg 385 of your manual.
System Status Display Function Provides Critical Information
For optimal camera maintenance, The EOS-1D X's new System Status Display Function offers pertinent information about the camera's use and condition. In addition to displaying the camera's serial number and firmware version, the System Status Monitor also displays the total number of shutter release cycles (in thousands), a camera error log, which lists errors that may warrant service


Since the display is in thousands, that will only help the OP if the camera was previously used to take 1000 shots or more.  If it's taken zero shots or 999 shots, it will display ≤1000.  Right now, mine says ≤ 10000.  It's not very granular, but then, given th expected life of 400K release cycles, it probably doesn't need to be very granular.

Ultimately, my main concern is that somebody else used it a little while and then returned it.  I suppose i could take 50 actuations at a time up to 1000 and watch the <1000 counter and hope it doesnt change until i get to 1000.

If i do this then ill know for sure its never been used.  Mtspokane, its good to know about the fed law....and also your perspective on boxes etc.  Thx

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Also, after google searching, it doesn't appear that there's any way to accurately determine the shutter count of the camera ....anybody know?

I highly recommend Reikan FoCal for doing AFMA.  But as a side benefit, it shows the shutter count.

Thanks Neuro...good to know.

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