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Animal Kingdom / Re: BIRD IN FLIGHT ONLY -- share your BIF photos here
« on: April 06, 2014, 08:18:54 AM »
Few more of my favorites share with everyone.

1Dx with 1.4x extender
420mm

F11
1/1000
ISO 400

F5.6
1/5000
ISO 800

Awesome...love that second shot !

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Am a bit late to this thread but having had a skim through the comments most of them are laughably misguided in terms of the legal rights of the professional photographer over the OP.

Under Australian copyright law, the OP gained sole copyright over the photos that he took as soon as he pressed the shutter. That gives him unfettered rights to commercially exploit his photos.

The only way that the professional could restrict those rights is by virtue of a contract containing explicit terms prohibiting him from using/selling the photos. There is no way that the a court would read in such an onerous term into the very loose arrangement described here. I very much doubt that there is any contract between the OP and the pro photographer governing the shadowing arrangement, but there clearly is no term covering assignment of copyright or prohibition on exploitation of photos.

The one legal claim to the photos of the OP would be from the part of the bride. If we changed the facts a bit here and the OP wanted to sell his photos to a bridal magazine, the bride may be able to restrain this by bringing an action for breach of confidence. However, even this would be a pretty weak action given the reluctance of Australian courts to recognise any tort of privacy. Her only strong action would be against the professional (who she has a contract with) for his negligence in allowing the OP to tag along without requiring him to enter into a contract to restrain his use of the photos. But I digress.

The only issue at stake here is the OP's ethics. And personally I think the professional is the one who should be grateful that the bride isn't tempted to take him to VCAT for stuffing up the coverage: http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/01/13/wedding-photographer-sued-for-missing-the-kiss/

Think a lot of the comments here are fuelled by "professionals" feeling a bit insecure about second shooters :P

[FWIW I'm in my final year of a law degree]

Hey fir0002...so for your first post on CR you have decided to:

1. Call other posters comments "laughable"
2. Call other members/posters "insecure"
3. Express a view that the wedding pro is at fault and not the OP? Really?

Stay in school kid, you have a lot to learn.


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Technical Support / Re: Upgrade my cable?
« on: April 06, 2014, 07:33:18 AM »
I have ordered a Mac Pro. I am wondering if I should upgrade the cable I use to upload pics to it since it has thunderbolt and USB 3.0 slots. If you know the fastest option, let me know. I saw that this lightning to USB adapt is for iPads. http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD821ZM/A/lightning-to-usb-camera-adapter?fnode=5b3abcc454654c56a0e1d775d3d6376db8041083c9ce7e2898d21e1eb184a3ad08b295a0f90c525399dc4295859b551fedf4e344b215f60796dcecee09fa49a6

I do not want to get a lighting to sd reader, since I will upgrade to a better camera in the future.

Buy the lexar or sandisk USB 3.0 dual card (cf and sd) reader.   They are very fast, and as others have said, canon cameras don't have USB 3.0 output yet.

I have the lexar ($30) Here's what I do:

1. After shooting I pull the card (sd or cf) from the camera
2. Place card in USB 3.0 card reader and connect to MacBook Pro.
3. Transfer images
4. When done, keep images on card as a back up and place card in my camera bag
5. Place a different card back in camera for the next time you shoot.  (You should have at least two, but preferably three or more cards)







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yes...i would add an intervalometer.

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1D X Sample Images / Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« on: April 05, 2014, 09:51:17 PM »
Great Crested Grebe, Mating dance I
600mm f4L IS II, 1.4xIII extender
1/1000s, f13, ISO800

you nailed these shots!  very nice!

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Animal Kingdom / Re: BIRD IN FLIGHT ONLY -- share your BIF photos here
« on: April 05, 2014, 09:50:01 PM »
Hello,
newby here and it's been wonderful seeing all the wonderful photos posted :)  Here are a couple of mine taken in my backyard through a window.  Taken with Canon 5D II with 70-200 IS 2.8.  Had to really crop these in.  Looking to add at least a 400 MM to my gear but for right now, doing lots of practicing of BIF

nice...maybe look at a 1.4x?

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These are the questions:

Third, what is your development path as a photographer?  One good wedding shoot doesn't make you a pro, and I'm speaking from experience as an occasional second-shooter.  Even if you have no legal obligation to the pro, you may still want his help, or the help of other pros to develop.  You've probably got a ways to go, and you don't want to have to climb that mountain solo.

As an addendum, this is also a test of your pro's ethics: if you approach him neutrally and say "the client contacted me and wants my photos" (without disparaging his), you'll find out what kind of person he is.  If he says "all your pictures are mine even though we never discussed it" then you've learned a relatively cheap lesson about where not to go for your continued development: this guy is not interested in your development at all.  If he says "hey, we had no agreement, they're your photos," then you've just established a trust relationship with a good guy, and it might lead to future collaboration and development.


Orangutan....your third point and addendum are both very good pieces of advice.


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This will rile a lot of people up, but you should sell them at the prices you are looking for, you sent him images and he liked them ao you know the shots are good.  I would ignore all the protectionist bull that has been spouted in this thread, the bride likes your stuff so sell it to them and move on.

Fats

Fats...I'm not impressed with your views on professionalism and integrity.

There is no way that the "oral agreement" between the OP and wedding pro included having the OP sell his photos to the bride, thereby undermining the wedding pro, and probably adding insult to the injury.

So taking the course of action that you suggest would be lacking in professionalism and integrity.  IMO




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Animal Kingdom / Re: BIRD IN FLIGHT ONLY -- share your BIF photos here
« on: April 05, 2014, 07:07:52 AM »
From 2 years ago. A Common Goldeneye (Bucephala clangula).

Wonderful! Goldeneyes are so handsome, but I never manage to get close - round here, they stay away from people, bobbing out of reach in the middle of lakes :(

And given how fast ducks fly, getting a shot like that is doubly impressive :)

Thanks, scyrene!
I find larger birds quite easy to shoot in flight - if they're within decent reach - since they are rather predictable in the way they fly. As far as a I can remember, with this Goldeneye I could hear him taking off, and I just stood looking at the reeds to see where/if he should pop up, and found him flying in a smooth circle around me. Aimed and shot as I was spinning around and it turned out ok with the suns direction, clean sky as background and so forth.

I have a few spots where I can get fairly close to various birds without disrupting them. Equipped with 97-98% patience, and some 2-3% luck there have to be some keepers.
Don't give up, you'll get yours!

Nice photo Domino...and good story too!

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Animal Kingdom / Re: BIRD IN FLIGHT ONLY -- share your BIF photos here
« on: April 05, 2014, 07:05:21 AM »
1Dx
420mm F5.6 1.4x Extender
1/2000 sec.
ISO 400

Wonderful shot evilzeev!

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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« on: April 05, 2014, 07:03:36 AM »
First Great Blue Heron seen this year.... the shot was through a chain link fence and focused so as to make the links of the fence almost invisible. If you look closely at the picture you can make them out... they are the slightly brighter diagonal diamond pattern.

Pretty good result considering the chain fence in the way!

After seeing this, I guess I won't worry as much anymore about a little dust on the front element.  ;D

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not irked. just trying to help.
you are right- i have not seen a comparison of the d4s and 1dx.
Apologies if i came across wrong.

No it's fine, but you did own the D4.  Tell me more about that?  I'm not wanting to switch camera systems, but I definitely would like to rent the D4s and a lens anyway, just for kicks.  Hopefully sometime this summer.

The only real world test I can recall, that I liked watching...was a video done by two Canadian wedding photogs, where they compared a 1DX and a D4, both with 70-200 lens mounted...comparing the autofocus speed and accuracy...and comparing how many sharp shots they could get in a limited time...by holding the shutter button down and going back and forth between a close subject and a distant subject.  They were on a rooftop.  Not saying this was scientific, but it was an interesting real world comparison.  I'd like to do a similar test against my cousin's 1DX, if he will cooperate...lol.

I agree that it would be fun to have each in hand with a 70-200 attached for a comparison test!

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Would the pro have let you come if he or she knew you were going to be selling your photos to the bride?

Answer....of course not. 

You're only in this situation because the pro was being nice to you and trying to help you with your career/interest in wedding photography.   The pro did you a favor by letting you come and shoot the wedding to learn.

This was a "handshake deal", honor your end of it by giving the photos to the pro and expect nothing in return other than the experience and learning you asked for.


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First of all I'm a portrait photographer and I've got experience, I know what's composition and all the sweet things that we care about. Second I didn't sign any contract with him and he told me that I could post the photos on my website. I went there to understand how weddings work and I wasn't hired as an assistant (but he told me you are coming as an assistant).
During the wedding the bride was a bit annoyed about the posing shots that he was trying to create and she was asking for more candid shots. I'm not saying I'm better than the pro and I will never say that, I don't even want to undermine him. I sent him about 40 photos the day after the wedding and he called me up telling me that he was impressed for my first wedding experience. At the end of this I just would like to be rewarded for this little success because I'm not making a living out of it.
By the way I don't like the way the pros use their assistants, people who make a living out of it should pay for their help. It is just fair. Sometimes when I have to do paid jobs I ask a friend to come along and I give him/her some money even if it's a $200 job.

You wanted to learn and he allowed you to be his assistant so you could get experience. Your ego has colored your view of what is the right thing to do.

Your comments/description show that you feel he did things that you would never do. We are all different and we can all learn from each other. You would have handled that situation differently? But he got the job and you didn't. Must say something about his ability. If you can do it better then start your own business.
Meantime thank him for allowing you to go to the wedding to practice (because that is what you were doing).
Give him the pics you took, free, and let him get the congratulations on a job well done.
Your ego has been massaged by the bride which should be sufficient to inspire and motivate you to do better and go into the wedding business.

Paul
Better to be friends with all the people you meet on the way up because you might meet them again on the way down.
I have shot as a second shooter. My pics belong to the pro who allowed me to shoot.
If the bride was to call me I would refer her to the pro.

+1

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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« on: April 03, 2014, 09:37:44 AM »
not sure what kind of bird this is but i caught him peeking at me from around a tree branch.

pretty little thing

5d3 and 70-200 2.8ii   



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