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Would the pro have let you come if he or she knew you were going to be selling your photos to the bride?

Answer....of course not. 

You're only in this situation because the pro was being nice to you and trying to help you with your career/interest in wedding photography.   The pro did you a favor by letting you come and shoot the wedding to learn.

This was a "handshake deal", honor your end of it by giving the photos to the pro and expect nothing in return other than the experience and learning you asked for.

First of all I'm a portrait photographer and I've got experience, I know what's composition and all the sweet things that we care about. Second I didn't sign any contract with him and he told me that I could post the photos on my website. I went there to understand how weddings work and I wasn't hired as an assistant (but he told me you are coming as an assistant).
During the wedding the bride was a bit annoyed about the posing shots that he was trying to create and she was asking for more candid shots. I'm not saying I'm better than the pro and I will never say that, I don't even want to undermine him. I sent him about 40 photos the day after the wedding and he called me up telling me that he was impressed for my first wedding experience. At the end of this I just would like to be rewarded for this little success because I'm not making a living out of it.
By the way I don't like the way the pros use their assistants, people who make a living out of it should pay for their help. It is just fair. Sometimes when I have to do paid jobs I ask a friend to come along and I give him/her some money even if it's a $200 job.

You wanted to learn and he allowed you to be his assistant so you could get experience. Your ego has colored your view of what is the right thing to do.

Your comments/description show that you feel he did things that you would never do. We are all different and we can all learn from each other. You would have handled that situation differently? But he got the job and you didn't. Must say something about his ability. If you can do it better then start your own business.
Meantime thank him for allowing you to go to the wedding to practice (because that is what you were doing).
Give him the pics you took, free, and let him get the congratulations on a job well done.
Your ego has been massaged by the bride which should be sufficient to inspire and motivate you to do better and go into the wedding business.

Better to be friends with all the people you meet on the way up because you might meet them again on the way down.
I have shot as a second shooter. My pics belong to the pro who allowed me to shoot.
If the bride was to call me I would refer her to the pro.


Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« on: April 03, 2014, 09:37:44 AM »
not sure what kind of bird this is but i caught him peeking at me from around a tree branch.

pretty little thing

5d3 and 70-200 2.8ii   

Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« on: April 03, 2014, 09:15:24 AM »
hummingbird taking a rare rest...

5d3 and 70-200 2.8ii at 200mm

Landscape / Re: Deep Sky Astrophotography
« on: April 03, 2014, 08:31:38 AM »
I reworked my Rosette Nebula image with a new software package called PixInsight. A VASTLY superior product for astrophotography, it gives me so much more control over everything, and allows me to tweak specific layers and scales of detail independently without messing with my color balance. This version of Rosette is much more color accurate than the nearly monochrome-red version that I posted before...and it has a bit more color contrast, so certain details should be easier to see than before:

simply fantastic!  it feels like i'm looking at it through an ultra powerful telescope.

Photography Technique / Re: 1D X - 12 FPS or 14 FPS?
« on: April 02, 2014, 08:44:17 PM »
almost always at 12 fps.

i've experimented with 14fps and MF on a select's cool, but too limited.  12 fps is fast enough.

Animal Kingdom / Re: BIRD IN FLIGHT ONLY -- share your BIF photos here
« on: April 02, 2014, 01:59:04 PM »
the hummingbird an the owl are outstanding !!!!!

My first posting here
BIF, yes for sure....  :D

1. bif heron

2. ist nearly landed allowed ?

Both made wirh Tamron 150-600VC

nice photos!   how did the Tamron work for BIF? 


Animal Kingdom / Re: BIRD IN FLIGHT ONLY -- share your BIF photos here
« on: April 01, 2014, 09:15:54 PM »
another hummingbird and a barred owl.

having fun shooting BIF.  now I know why this thread is so long!! :) :D

i'm happy to hear constructive comments...positive or negative.  i'm always open to hear different opinions.


Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« on: April 01, 2014, 09:00:18 PM »
The dove shots are all great, and while I don't have any to share, I finally tracked down the little guy in my yard who keeps waking me up in the morning and serenading me with his hoots each evening.  He was way, way up high, but I snagged him with my 300 + 2x with (OOPS!) circular polarizer.  It was dusk but I didn't think it was THAT dark!  Luckily the IS allowed me to handhold at 1/30s allowing me to use ISO 1600 instead of 25600!  Note to self - remove CIR-PLs from all lenses before I pack my lenses to come home.  Now I need to get a better shot of him - tripod / Better Beamer will be at the ready for his next visit!

good story Mack!  nice shot, looking forward to the next one!

Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« on: April 01, 2014, 08:58:58 PM »
5d3 with 70-200 2.8ii with 1.4x shot at 280.

Animal Kingdom / Re: BIRD IN FLIGHT ONLY -- share your BIF photos here
« on: April 01, 2014, 07:51:03 AM »
Hi Carl.
If you want pheasants just come to the Isle of Wight, trouble is they are mainly squished on the road, they have no concept of vehicles on roads at the best of times but it is the thinking with the small brain season so they are even less aware of their surroundings at the moment, one tried to get under my van wheels yesterday, not content with running in to the road it then started random acts of dithering left then right then stop then.... I missed him, but he tried really hard to get hit!

Really great pics from all, thanks.

Cheers Graham.

Excellent works, guys! Thanks for posting them.

And for something aerial kung-fu. Or taekwondo, if You like that better...

Great, don't see enough pheasants...I wish we had them down here.  The wings spread one is the best.

funny story Valve! ;D

and thanks for your kind words.

Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« on: March 31, 2014, 09:40:57 PM »
Harris hawk

70-200 2.8ii w/ 1.4x at 280mm

Lenses / Re: Ordered 300mm 2.8 II; tips/suggestions
« on: March 31, 2014, 08:22:08 PM »
I walk and cycle a lot with this lens and always use a Black Rapid shoulder strap for carrying. It works flawlessly and balances the body and lens very well.

Also bought a Don Zecklens Cap which I am very happy with.

Contrary to another writer above I always - always - use it with the hood on. All that glass up front and no protection? Hmmm... YMMV.

Finally, remember to microadjust. Mine needed just a twist on each of my bodies. However, almost only shooting wide open I could see it at once.

Happy Shooting!

couldn't agree more about the black rapid strap.  canon should wake up and start including something similar with the 1dx and 5d3 instead of the current neck strap that goes unused by many.

Animal Kingdom / Re: BIRD IN FLIGHT ONLY -- share your BIF photos here
« on: March 31, 2014, 07:48:06 PM »
My first ever hummingbird photos!   (I'm mostly a sports/people shooter)


thanks neuro, click, buddy, and wildlife!

i'm not as skilled at BIF like many here are so i appreciate the kind words.

5D MK III Sample Images / Re: 5D MK III Images
« on: March 30, 2014, 05:00:55 PM »
... with distracting nearby "scenery" that almost caused me to miss the shot!  ::)  ;D

 ;D   ;D   ;D

Beautiful "scenery" ... after a while of watching, I can see Smiley appearing slowly.

Click...LOL, I think you're right!

Old Shooter and Sporgon...I'll try to do better next time!  lol   ;D  (and don't think I wasn't a little tempted  ;))

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