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Canon General / Re: Why is UK ripped off on new releases including 650D?
« on: August 08, 2012, 11:00:59 AM »
If it were just taxes/import dties then surely that would be the same for Nikon and canon, however, comparing UK and USA prices for these two companies they are incongruous so there is some other pricing factor in there.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Camon M (mini) prices
« on: July 25, 2012, 05:26:23 PM »
pricing policy in UK for canon gear has no logic (other than overcharging). 650d price in terms of dollars to pounds totally different for the rate for the 40mm pancake. Crime does pay but in the end somebody will produce better for less because canon are giving the competition so much room to work with.

EOS Bodies / Re: New, cheaper, Canon FF DSLR... 70D?
« on: July 25, 2012, 05:21:22 PM »
the eos-m has the 18mp sensor of the 650d but reports say it has a 31 point af system - surely that might be part of a 70d set up as it excedes the 650d's 9point cross type?

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon EOS M System Announced
« on: July 24, 2012, 05:55:04 AM »
This costs more than a 650d so why would somebody buy it over the 650d other than size of which there seems to be a large choice out there of smaller cameras that are more competitively priced. A lot of posts talk about the glass being an important part of picture quality so 650d scores there, it also has a swivelling screen and a built in flash so scores there. I read that it has a 31 point AF system which could be a big advantage but why wouldn't Canon have put that in the 650d if it is the same sensor - I guess that will be in the 70d?

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS M Specs
« on: July 22, 2012, 12:10:28 PM »
Given what has gone on with Canon pricing recently I think this will be quite an expensive package but I would love to be proved wrong. Just a cut down version of 650d so why bother 'cutting down'? Unless they get the price/spec balance right then there is too much competition out there for a smaller camera to take nice photos and nobody is currently 'wedded' to the lenses.

The Canon 650d body is £699 ($849) and the 40mm pancake is £229 ($199). The converted rate to dollars for those is vastly different to the (US) price so exchange rate isn't the only issue. The obvious answer is greed - unless a 40mm pancake lens costs vastly more to import than a camera body!

I feel sorry for those people who have bought this camera and and will now end up having paid the same price as others for a 'repaired' camera, especially if they have been waiting some time for the release of this camera.

I hope the repair is better than new or that Canon offer them something as a goodwill gesture. I think if I had bought one I would want to return it and get a new one.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / T4i/650D DigitalRev review.
« on: June 24, 2012, 11:00:23 AM »
Has anybody posted a link to this yet? If not here is the link, you just have to get over the early part of the video at the launch.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Pressure By the Nikon D600?
« on: June 20, 2012, 12:42:20 PM »
There appears to be a strong view on the forums that Nikon lenses cost more at the moment than Canon. It seems that Canon are charging a lot more for their very latest lens releases compared to their earlier versions even allowing for 'original' lens prices. So if they replace a few more lenses in their range could Nikon/Canon lens cost situation be reversed?

Pricewatch Deals / Canon Rebel T4i UK Price - mistake or bargain?
« on: June 18, 2012, 04:10:27 PM »
Argos are showing the T4i with 18-55 lens for £699.99 which is the price for the body only elsewhere. Likely to be a mistake which could be corrected soon but might be worth a punt.$ja=kw:canon+650d|cgn:Digital+cameras||Canon+eos+650d+18+-+55+kit||5598988|cgid:4222115205|tsid:13535|cn:NB||S||PPCPM||Product||Photography|cid:78212085|lid:8097753280|mt:Exact|nw:search|crid:13855230045

Looking at the Pentax K-30 body the price in UK is £600 and in US it is $850, pretty much a straight exchange rate conversion. So the Canon price difference either side of the pond has bugger all to do with import taxes, VAT, exchange rates, higher cost of living, costs of running a business and all other similar reasons. It just leaves the explanation that Canon ARE ripping UK customers off on prices.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 650D available now at
« on: June 12, 2012, 04:24:20 PM »
And £130 cheaper than Amazon UK with 18-55mm lens which you could sell on 'evil bay'.

Not sure if it is a Rebel rather than a 650D though.

I assume 'import taxes' are the same level for lenses as cameras when they are both coming from the same country so why is the relative differential between UK and USA prices different for lenses compared to cameras?

I am trying to understand why the cost is higher than could be expected purely from exchange rates and why the price of the pancake lens appears to be at a higher 'rate' than say the camera body. I know there was a lot of discussion in the posts regarding costs in Europe compared to other places when the 5Diii was announced. I also recall a number of posts where people were saying they could avoid certain taxes by purchasing from a supplier in another state.

It may be as you say that there is a higher markup by Canon. There seems to be a lot more 'parity' with prices between UK and USA for say the D3200 so one could assume that it is less likely that it is due to import duties and trade subsidies and more likely to be due to Canon.

Apologies for not putting too much thought in to the title of the post, I just wanted to ask if anybody knew how such prices were derived especially as the lens price did not appear to be congruent with the body price.

The only sales tax is VAT at 20% and even allowing for that it should still be only £155 for the pancake lens but the advertised price is almost 50% higher than that.

I don't think business costs are that different to USA. And surely there are businesses that can run at lower costs than competitors yet prices seem pretty damned fixed which I assume is dictated to by Canon.

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