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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: The 5D Mark III Fix
« on: May 05, 2012, 09:53:41 AM »
I'll admit that you make a convincing point. My main concern is wether or not I should continue investing in Canon glass with the eventual plan of buying a 5D III when for the first time a Nikon camera has made me question my loyalty to the EOS system. Despite the fact that I still see the D800 as a more advanced camera (the Ivy Bridge to Canon's Sandy Bridge, to continue your computer analogy), I've heard enough today to be reassured.

Hmmm I don't know, would you leave your wife for another pretty face that came along?

It's a practial question of investing in a system of lenses or not. I don't see the problem wth that.

Well I guess you could sell all of your glass and start over.  Then what happens if Canon's next camera makes you question your loyalty again?

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: The 5D Mark III Fix
« on: May 04, 2012, 09:45:37 PM »
I'll admit that you make a convincing point. My main concern is wether or not I should continue investing in Canon glass with the eventual plan of buying a 5D III when for the first time a Nikon camera has made me question my loyalty to the EOS system. Despite the fact that I still see the D800 as a more advanced camera (the Ivy Bridge to Canon's Sandy Bridge, to continue your computer analogy), I've heard enough today to be reassured.

Hmmm I don't know, would you leave your wife for another pretty face that came along?

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: The 5D Mark III Fix
« on: May 04, 2012, 08:17:41 PM »
Despite any quality control issues with the D800, it still poses a MASSIVE problem for Canon.
Canon's marketing AND tech departments must be sweating bullets, unless something big is on the way.

Lol. Really?!?  So, you've seen the sales figures?  By what margin is the D800 outselling the 5DIII?  Please...share all of your hard evidence.

In fact, I have yet to see anything even remotely convincing that anyone outside of the few but very vocal minority of DR-obsessed posters on forums like this even give a crap about this 'massive problem'. As I've pointed out elsewhere, from 2007 to 2010, Nikon soundly beat Canon for sensor DR and ISO performance, and during the same period, Canon gained market share while Nikon lost over 10% of the market.  So...it seems like Nikon has the 'massive problem' - and the fact that the D800 has 36 MP, with no meaningful boost in DR over the predecessor, and a reduction in high ISO performance, is a good indication that Nikon realized they were coming out the losers, and are now trying Canon's 'more MP are better' approach.

Regardless, you're assertions are clearly unfounded, and I suspect at this time next year, the sales figures will show that Canon is still #1 in dSLR sales, as they have been for the past several years (despite their 'massive' yet somehow nonexistent 'problem').  It's ok, though - most likely by then you and the rest of the minority will have tired of bashing the 5DIII's DR on Internet forums.  I sincerely hope you'll be out taking pictures with some camera - even if it's not the 5DIII that most of this DR-bashing minority never had any intention of buying. But realistically, I bet you'll still be here, bashing the DR or ISO noise or some other perceived 'problem' with the 1D X, T4i/650D, or whatever.  Whine on........

Ok, look. The 5D III is a great camera, as was the MK II. It has been selling like hotcakes while Nikon has trouble getting the D800 out the door. That is true and I will freely admit that. But I can't help feeling that Nikon is really pushing the performance with this new Sony sensor tech and that this could cause Canon a lot of headaches.

Agree with the first half but honestly, I don't think it's going to cause Canon alot of headaches.   Both cameras are great, one leans towards group A, the other B.  It's been back and forth for a while now, this won't be any different.  Canon will counter, then Nikon.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: a few photos with Canon 1D X
« on: May 04, 2012, 04:59:29 PM »
I was talking to the Canon rep today when I picked up my 5DMKIII and he let the 1DX rip...it sounded like a machine gun, lol.  I want one! ;)

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: The 5D Mark III Fix
« on: May 04, 2012, 12:49:46 PM »

yeah, so do you think they also whine on the internet about it?

My friend hasn't whined about anything. He only got it two days ago.

Not sure why you quoted me about this - I was just replying to the previous post :)

thank you, i am just pointing out that nikon also has problems but you don't really see them whine online as much as canon users... canon users on the other hand... is making a big deal out of this light leak situation (sorry, i can't say it's an issue)

There are probably trolls also.  When you're at the top someone always wants to take you down. ;)

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Lenses / Re: Canon 70-200 2.8 MkI vs MkII
« on: May 03, 2012, 07:19:33 PM »
I'm picking up my 5D MKIII tomorrow and hopefully I can swing a deal to get the 70-200II also.  I'm pumped, then I can look at getting the 24-70II. ;)

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Exactly.  We can just just be thrilled with our new toys and have fun taking pics...or we can head over to the other camp and complain about all the shortcomings they have?  Not.

Oh, boy. I'm not *just* complaining about its shortcomings. IQ is the area I need most. I do low light photography, print design, and publishing. The color noise and lack of details in the shadows which cannon are so good at hits me badly. The ink printing techniques are very prone to burning the highlights and darkening the shadows. This is exactly where canon's DR puts a bar in my wheels as compared to Nikon. If I open the shadows to compensate, I get color noise and bad IQ. Similar thing for the highlights, esp in strong light. Trust me, I've worked with professional scanners for quite some time now. The DR has been the main issue and a limiting factor there. I am amazed to see the advance Nikon has made in the area. I am not sure I can keep up clinging to canon anymore.

I agree with you totally.  If the 800 is going to serve your needs better than the MKIII then your choice is clear.  All I'm saying is that it doesn't matter, make a choice and carry on.  I'm sure not going to go over to the Nikon camp and start trolling about all the stuff the 800 is lacking in (comparitively speaking).

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Exactly.  We can just just be thrilled with our new toys and have fun taking pics...or we can head over to the other camp and complain about all the shortcomings they have?  Not.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: The 5D Mark III Fix
« on: May 03, 2012, 02:28:49 PM »
I've seen it called black foil.  It looks ok to me, I don't have a problem with it.  Didn't stop me from buying one (should be picking it up tomorrow).  ;)

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: The 5D Mark III Fix
« on: May 03, 2012, 11:46:06 AM »
I'm just curious now.  Let's say the 'black tape' was always there, and in a few instances the tape was left out.  Now would people still look at the tape as being 'cheap' or take it as just being missed in the assembly line and think nothing of it?

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: The 5D Mark III Fix
« on: May 02, 2012, 03:29:09 PM »
I thought the problem was only on some models with certain serial numbers.

If that is true, were there other camaras manufactured without tape that did not have a light leak (and if so, how not)?

It's not like some cameras had the tape and some didn't before the problem was reported.

That's what I thought also.  Wasn't it the 6th digit with a 1 or 2 in it?

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Canon's takeaway should be:
1. quickly reduce price of 5D3 below price of competitors' superior product

It sounds like you think the D800 is superior to the 5DIII.  Do you believe that Canon thinks the D800 is superior to the 5DIII?   Is the D800's frame rate superior?  Is the D800's AF system better?  Does the D800 have higher available ISO settings (both base and expanded)?  I trust you are aware that there is more to a camera than the sensor, and more to the sensor than it's DR and dark noise...  Unless the D800 substantially outsells the 5DIII, Canon's takeaway will be...."Yay, we won, go Canon..."

Agree with you here.  Not to take anything away from Nikon, but the whole arguement is about the 'superior' sensor.  Like you said what about the 5DIII's frame rate, AF & high ISO?  It's like saying my race car is superior to yours because I have 1200HP compared to your 900HP, not taking into consideration the rest of the mechanics or the driver.

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Nice shots, which lenses were you using?

Top two Sigma 12-24 HSM II, Ladybird is Canon 70-200 F2.8 IS II + Ext III x2 at 400mm, bottom Canon 24-70 f2.8

The 2x extender on the ladybug looks good.  I plan on getting the 1.4III.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D MK3 vs. D800 - fredmiranda
« on: April 27, 2012, 06:30:59 PM »
both tests are interesting i think.
as a guy who always goes for best image quality the D800 looks incredible.
im not so much a low light shooter.

i have to give it to sony... the sensor is fantastic!
the 5D MK2 was a game changer in video.. the D800 is nearly as impressive for stills i think.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/5DIII-D800/


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There is no question that the D800 does not disappoint in signal to noise ratio (SNR) at low ISO and has higher dynamic range. I'm still shocked by the differences.

I know this is disappointing for Canon shooters but on the bright side, there is a workaround if you shoot RAW. Start by overexposing (up to 1 stop) above the correct exposure before taking your shot and then normalize the exposure later in software. This gives you the correct exposure but the shadow detail is much cleaner, just in case you need to push it a stop or two. Alternatively you could use ISO L (50) for low contrast situations whenever lighting and wind conditions allow. However, make sure that there is no clipping in the highlights (blinkies) because essentially when you are using ISO 50, you are already compromising highlight detail by about one stop. I've used this workaround for many years and have been happy with the results.

In regards to the Nikon D800 handing of noise in the shadow areas, I have to say it's nothing short of amazing! Kudos to Sony and Nikon for the new sensor partnership. The Exmor sensor is exceptional and there is so much detail in the shadows. I can push the shadows more than 4 stops without any hint of color noise. WOW! Let's just say the D800 sensor is a breakthrough in sensor technology.



here are some more examples of what the D800 can do.

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/nikon_d800__e_initial_impressions.shtml

canon has to move into faster gear and work on it´s sensors.
low iso quality is as important as high iso quality.

i have not thought it.. but i will not deny it.... i realy like the D800 for it´s image quality.

that said, privatly i will stay with canon.

Not enough to make you cross over though? ;)

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