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Canon's takeaway should be:
1. quickly reduce price of 5D3 below price of competitors' superior product

It sounds like you think the D800 is superior to the 5DIII.  Do you believe that Canon thinks the D800 is superior to the 5DIII?   Is the D800's frame rate superior?  Is the D800's AF system better?  Does the D800 have higher available ISO settings (both base and expanded)?  I trust you are aware that there is more to a camera than the sensor, and more to the sensor than it's DR and dark noise...  Unless the D800 substantially outsells the 5DIII, Canon's takeaway will be...."Yay, we won, go Canon..."

Agree with you here.  Not to take anything away from Nikon, but the whole arguement is about the 'superior' sensor.  Like you said what about the 5DIII's frame rate, AF & high ISO?  It's like saying my race car is superior to yours because I have 1200HP compared to your 900HP, not taking into consideration the rest of the mechanics or the driver.


Nice shots, which lenses were you using?

Top two Sigma 12-24 HSM II, Ladybird is Canon 70-200 F2.8 IS II + Ext III x2 at 400mm, bottom Canon 24-70 f2.8

The 2x extender on the ladybug looks good.  I plan on getting the 1.4III.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D MK3 vs. D800 - fredmiranda
« on: April 27, 2012, 06:30:59 PM »
both tests are interesting i think.
as a guy who always goes for best image quality the D800 looks incredible.
im not so much a low light shooter.

i have to give it to sony... the sensor is fantastic!
the 5D MK2 was a game changer in video.. the D800 is nearly as impressive for stills i think.


There is no question that the D800 does not disappoint in signal to noise ratio (SNR) at low ISO and has higher dynamic range. I'm still shocked by the differences.

I know this is disappointing for Canon shooters but on the bright side, there is a workaround if you shoot RAW. Start by overexposing (up to 1 stop) above the correct exposure before taking your shot and then normalize the exposure later in software. This gives you the correct exposure but the shadow detail is much cleaner, just in case you need to push it a stop or two. Alternatively you could use ISO L (50) for low contrast situations whenever lighting and wind conditions allow. However, make sure that there is no clipping in the highlights (blinkies) because essentially when you are using ISO 50, you are already compromising highlight detail by about one stop. I've used this workaround for many years and have been happy with the results.

In regards to the Nikon D800 handing of noise in the shadow areas, I have to say it's nothing short of amazing! Kudos to Sony and Nikon for the new sensor partnership. The Exmor sensor is exceptional and there is so much detail in the shadows. I can push the shadows more than 4 stops without any hint of color noise. WOW! Let's just say the D800 sensor is a breakthrough in sensor technology.

here are some more examples of what the D800 can do.


canon has to move into faster gear and work on it´s sensors.
low iso quality is as important as high iso quality.

i have not thought it.. but i will not deny it.... i realy like the D800 for it´s image quality.

that said, privatly i will stay with canon.

Not enough to make you cross over though? ;)

Good job, I like how you did the vid.  Something I can look forward to trying someday.

Anyone tried Adobe Elements 10?  Just wondering because it's on sale for $49.99.

I've shot 4 bands/DJs now with the 5DMKIII and I must say, it is very superior to my 7D in most every way. 

This shot at 12800 ISO especially shows how with just a little raw processing you can get very clean images out of this camera:

I have not had focusing issues:
I agree with some of you saying it's likely the photog and not the gear....

Here you can see some 30+ shows I shot w/ my 7D and then the 4 most recent with the 5DMKIII and see the difference. 


The only new lens I got with the 5DMKIII was the 16-35, which is obviously great as well (I used the 10-22 on the 7D).  Otherwise, all the lenses were pretty much the same.

I can't recommend the 5DMKIII enough, but obviously 3500 isn't small potatoes. 

Low-light is tough, and expecting the camera to do all the work isn't realistic.  Human skill with that camera, however, does make for some compelling work.

Great shots!

Agreed, 12800 looks good.

I read those too and thought it was funny. ;D ;)
Really? So what was funny about it?

Funny in the sense that it's nice to see there are problems in the other camp also.
Yeah, that's what I thought you meant.
Why is that nice? Are Nikon users bad people? You don't want them to be able to use their cameras properly?

Heh, it was a joke, of course Nikon people aren't bad.  Nothing malicious was meant by that.  Since there was so much going on here, it was nice to see that we weren't the only ones.  As in don't be pointing fingers over here when you have to look at your own house first.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: New monitor
« on: April 27, 2012, 12:57:25 PM »
I just want to add Apple 27" 2560x1440 cinema LED display to the mix. It's pricey, but it's worth every penny. As far as I'm concerned there's no other monitor I'd rather have (and I'm not a Mac guy) I actually have it hooked up to a PC (no problems there) since I run all my stuff (LR, CS5 etc) on Windows 7. I thought the glossy screen would bother me, but I now understand why it's necessary. It's the equivalent of removing the AA filter from your camera sensor :-) I think all Dell alternatives have the regular non-glossy coating which blurs the picture slightly.

Oh and by the way - once you go 2560x1440 you dont go back to 1080p

I have to agree with you on that one, the Apple monitors are gorgeous.  Just take a look at the new iPad's screen.

Hmmm, was there alot of complaining until the D3X showed up?  They had to wait over a year before 24.5mp came along.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Advice: On buying 5D3.
« on: April 26, 2012, 10:52:28 PM »
That really depends on who you talk to.  Some say the 800, some will say the MKIII.  I still hear more that the 5DIII is a better 'all around' camera.  I have a choice also and at this point in time it's the MKIII. 


(Can't Switch, Too Much GLass)

You wouldn't anyways. ;)

I read those too and thought it was funny. ;D ;)
Really? So what was funny about it?

Funny in the sense that it's nice to see there are problems in the other camp also.

I have just spent close to three hours reviewing the Nikon Rumors blog entries on the Nikon D800, and the horror stories of several users that have received their brand new D800s bodies only to experience several functional issues included but not limited to out-of-focus on certain high-end lenses, white/black dots on photos specially on long exposures, black dots on sensor (oil drops/debris) from factory shipped cameras, on/off lockup, green tint of LCD display, hiss on audio recording, flash not triggering, and others... Here is the link to the blogs which describes these functional issues...


After reading and assessing these functional issues, and considering that every newly released product may be subject to functional "bugs" which may or may had not been discovered and/or detected during the beta testings; it is my opinion that the severity of the initial handful of functional issues that some users are experiencing with their Canon 5D Mark III are not even close to the pile of serious and critical malfunctions that the D800 is having...

I read those too and thought it was funny. ;D ;)

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: refurbished 5d2 back in stock at Canon
« on: April 26, 2012, 12:51:18 AM »
I could get a new one right now for just over 2 grand.  FS price matches + 10% of difference.

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