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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: refurbished 5d2 back in stock at Canon
« on: April 25, 2012, 10:47:17 AM »
I wonder when is the price going down for a brand new 5d2..
In christmas got to its lowest price ever, is it gonna get to that price again?

What was it again last Xmas, around $1900?  Most likely supply & demand, if the MK3 is alittle pricey for some then maybe the MK2 will jump a bit or hold it's own.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Puchasing 5D III off of Craiglist
« on: April 24, 2012, 07:05:37 PM »
I don't think it was mentioned yet, ask if he has a copy of the receipt for peace of mind and obviously warranty purposes. I have bought most of my gear off of CL with no issues but the max transaction in my case were my lenses around 1k each (70-200f4is/135L/17-55) and my 40D for $850 with receipt.

I'll let the 40D go for $750 if anyone is interested  ;D, I kid, I kid...

Wait, I have a 40D...$600 inc a grip! :D

 ;)

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Canon seems to be an inferior Value, looking at it's higher price. The same feature set at $2700 would have been a lot more palatable... and then they could have released the 40mp 3D at $3800 and people would have gone for it, this would have outflanked the D800 on both ends.

Fair enough - value for money is a relevant issue.
But consider this: Canon has a massive customer base already. People who've invested in lots of glass etc etc. They know that photographers at this level (as opposed to entry-level DSLRs) simply go and buy the next generation of Canon when they feel they need to. They're not likely to swap allegiances because of a few hundred dollars.

Nikon OTOH has to aim for increasing their market share, being a little way behind. They fumbled the ball a couple of times early on in the DSLR race and have suffered ever since.

So - how do they convince newcomers to the higher end to buy Nikon?
By having something really AMAZING (36MP) and, amazingly, cheaper than the equivalent Canon! Now that is some smart marketing.
It costs them, as their margins will be a little leaner than Canon's, but they're going for touhdown, there's no other way to play this game.

So in fact the two big guns have made totally logical decisions in terms of both technology and pricing. Based on their present market situations.

And quite simply, these are both (5D3 and D800) absolutely amazing cameras.

Exactly, and it will just go back and forth.  IMO there are basically two camps, and they are fairly loyal followers.  So you probably won't see too many 'jump the boat' because of one camera, because the next release will be that much better again.  There certainly will be the ones that are on the fence deciding which way to go, but the majority have chosen.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: refurbished 5d2 back in stock at Canon
« on: April 24, 2012, 10:47:57 AM »
Hmmm, if it's within 2-$300 of new, I'd go new.

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Did you get the camera and then add the 70-200 or just the 70-200 on its own?  Reason I ask is the 24-105 is considerably more when purchased separately

Sorry I don't have mine yet.  Up to a week ago I was still contemplating on getting a 1DsIII.  The reason I'm getting the 70-200II is that it's sharper than the 24-105 and then I can look at getting the 24-70II. ;)  I think a person will save around $400 when purchasing the 24-105 in a kit.  I don't think you can get a 70-200 in a 5DIII kit (at least not around here).

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Good price.  I thought about the kit lens but decided to go with the 70-200II.  This way I can think about getting the 24-70II also.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Your advice for my first fullframe.
« on: April 20, 2012, 07:23:32 PM »
Hi all,

same old dilemma, I know, I hope nobody will be nerved by my question...
After the long long wait for the announcement of the 5dmk3, and after reading all the reviews, comparisons and forum discussions of the past month, I still cannot take a clear decision about which camera to buy between the 5dmkii and 5dmkiii. 

The point is: I'm just an amateur photographer, I definitely want to go for one of these two great cameras and no one else, but I could not use and test them to clearly make up my mind about the effective added value of the mk3 over the mk2.

As a professional photographer I would have NO doubts (mk3 for sure), but as amateur I am not really sure...

So, the question is mainly addressed to those of you who have already tried both cameras:
Considering the huge difference in price (1600€ here in Europe, means 2100USD!!), are the additional features (AF, IQ, silent mode, 6fps) really worth for an amateur?
Wouldn't it be better to spare all these money and invest them in some good lens/equipment?

thanks in advance!
mc

I'm looking at buying my first FF also.  I guess a person has to look at how much they want to spend and are those new features worth it to me.  I'm going for the 5d3 (otherwise it would of been the MKII).  I have some other gear I'm selling right now, so it's really paying for this upgrade.  If you don't feel the differences between the MK3 & MK2 are worth it to you, then by all means stick with the MK2, then like you said you can invest in better glass.  The big thing that I didn't like about the MK2 was the AF.  When possible I like to buy up-to-date so I can be current for a while.  This of course doesn't mean that the MK2 wouldn't be able to serve my needs as it has great IQ.  If money isn't a problem I'd go for the 3.  There are alot of amateurs who have better equipment than some pros.  It can be something you grow into.  ;)

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D MKIII vs 1Ds MKIII
« on: April 20, 2012, 05:53:43 PM »
I have to get the 1DsIII out of my head now, even though there are some great prices out there.  I need video too, so 5D3 it is. 

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Why so much trust in DXO.
« on: April 20, 2012, 03:26:05 PM »
What's Nikon's 70-200 score?

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D Mark 2 .... 250 euros up
« on: April 20, 2012, 11:03:40 AM »
i was ready to buy my second 5D Mark 2 (backup body) and just noticed that the price has raised from 1679 to 1929 at amazon.
i checked two weeks ago the last time.

and it´s not only amazon who raised the price.... it seems the 5D MK2 is still selling strong.

Maybe because of the higher price of the MK3, which might make some people think the MK2 is a good deal now.  Supply and demand.

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Come on guys, competition is good for all of us, and now it's time for the other camp to rejoice a little.  Just look at the overall figures, Nikon had to jumpstart sales. ;)

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Which lenses with the 5D mk3?
« on: April 19, 2012, 09:27:58 PM »
For the guys/gals that use just primes with cameras such as the 1DsIII and the 5D3, what are your reasons behind that (sharper, faster, etc)?

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The more you stoke the fire, the bigger it gets. ;)

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Lenses / Re: Which 70-200?
« on: April 18, 2012, 04:17:34 PM »
Agree with the comments for the MKII.  I'm buying new gear and the first one I'm going to get is the 70-200II, and maybe the 24-70II.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Which lenses with the 5D mk3?
« on: April 18, 2012, 12:16:04 PM »
The 70-200 II is amazing.  The 24-105 is good at what it does, but just isn't in the same category.

On the wider side, have you looked at the 24L II?  Yes, the 85 1.2 is also pretty stunning, but if you're also picking up a 70-200, you've already got that focal range covered (without the extreme buttery DOF of the 85, but it's covered).  70-200 II and 24L II is one of my favorite combos. 

For reference, I also have the 16-35L, 35L, 85LII, 100L, 24-105L, 50 1.4 - they're all great - but if I had to pick just two to cover "everything", I'd take the 70-200 II and the 24L II.  But that's just me

What are your thoughts on the 24-70 (and the new II coming out)?

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