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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: CANON U.S.A. INTRODUCES EOS-1D C DIGITAL SLR CAMERA FEATURING 4K HIGH-RESOLUTION VIDEO CAPTURE

« on: April 12, 2012, 06:55:55 PM »

"Honey, you know how we've been saving to buy a car?  I got a camera instead!"

$15,000.  And there are a lot of people who are going to buy two.  Wow.

What's a Hasselblad up to these days, maybe I'll get back into film...

I guarantee the 1D-C will be a flop. I work in video and TV, and people are pretty bummed about it, especially since it's $15K.

The super high end Canon going for $35K. Now that camera seems to be worth the price because it's way up there in performance, but the 1D-X just seems like the world's most expensive firmware update.

Canon video is going to lose their shirts, and Sony is going to capitalize big time.

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: CANON U.S.A. INTRODUCES EOS-1D C DIGITAL SLR CAMERA FEATURING 4K HIGH-RESOLUTION VIDEO CAPTURE

« on: April 12, 2012, 03:48:25 PM »

Canon has completely JUMPED the Shark lately with their very overpriced Video offerings.

Contrary to what many stills people have been posting, just because you work in TV (as I do), does NOT mean that I want to spend an arm and a leg for a sub-performing video camera like what Canon has been offering.

I had about $8K to spend on a camera, and now I'm afraid it's going to Sony who is going to clean house in the $4K to $10K range because of Canon's many miss-steps in video.

They need to replace their marketing division in video because they just keep missing the mark.

No matter how much cash you have, if you're smart, you still want what's best for you money, and Canon video is NOT that.

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: CANON U.S.A. INTRODUCES EOS-1D C DIGITAL SLR CAMERA FEATURING 4K HIGH-RESOLUTION VIDEO CAPTURE

« on: April 12, 2012, 10:26:32 AM »

and NO FLIP SCREEN? WTF? That's close to the number 1 request from video people!

The whole point of a DSLR is freedom from using an external monitor when you don't have to, and that's why a flip screen is priceless.

Start listening Canon. It will sell you a lot more cameras. As for me, I'm being forced now into the Sony camp where the prices are much more reasonable and they are a company that listens. Thank God for the Metabones adaptor so I can use all my EOS lenses.

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: CANON U.S.A. INTRODUCES EOS-1D C DIGITAL SLR CAMERA FEATURING 4K HIGH-RESOLUTION VIDEO CAPTURE

« on: April 12, 2012, 10:20:10 AM »

$15,000 for a 1D-C?

This was the straw that broke the camel's back. I had about $8K to spend, but this is way too much. I guess I have to go the Sony FS-100 route, since the 5D3 was so disappointing for video res.

I can't believe Canon let us down yet again for video. This is too much to handle.

Canon does NOT listen to their customers, and the video people who want a camera between $4K to $8K are left hanging AGAIN!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Cinema EOS 1D & EOS C500 for NAB

« on: April 11, 2012, 08:58:30 PM »

I seriously HOPE they keep the megapixels down. High Megapixels = bad video because of the downscaling that is needed.

Make it 22 mpx MAX. I was hoping it would not be more than 18 mpx.

I was also hoping the price would be around 7K, not 10K.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS C100 & C500 Coming? [CR1]

« on: April 11, 2012, 11:42:30 AM »

It will be interesting to see what they come out with. Canon needs to take a lesson from Apple and be willing to cannibalize themselves with a lower-end 4k or 2k video camera. Anything they come out with for below 10,000 is going to eat into their c300 sales but I hope they take the plunge. It would be nice to see them take the lead from Sony in this area- they have a tremendous following from all of their DSLRs, now they just have to capitalize on that with a meaningful video offering.

C300 sales? I don't know for sure if it's selling good... but I really doubt it.
As far as Apple goes... I'm not sure if it was that good for the professional market... I mean, the Mac Pro workstation line is going to be discontinued because Apple just sells iPads and iPhones right now, leaving us hopeless in windows land.

The thing is, I'm sure when Sony announced the FS-700 with true 4k and over 300 FPS slow-motion at only $9,000, many of the C-300 backorders were cancelled. In effect, Sony cannibalized themselves in a huge way. The FS-700 is a gigantic step in affordable, high quality, large sensor video.

Canon needs to do the same. The 4K EOS needs to be really, really strong to compete against Sony. The C-300 was very conservative / underspec'd and it's going to get it's A$$ handed to it by Sony. I'm very happy about Canon getting wrecked by Sony, because this is a wake up call to them to start making good products instead of just trying to milk all the video people like they have been.

Competition is good, and Sony's cannibalization of themselves is hopefully a sign of good things to come.

As for Apple, they have gone too consumer and it's hurting their Pro Market. I certainly hope they don't discontinue the towers, otherwise, what am I going to use? I need all the power I can get from a computer and can't do my stuff on a laptop or an iMac.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS C100 & C500 Coming? [CR1]

« on: April 11, 2012, 10:37:28 AM »

I only do video, and I DON'T want the traditional Camcorder / Video style body. Those are super dated and horrible to use compared to the DSLR form factor which is GREAT.

Think of it this way, would you want to shoot stills with a lunch box style body? NO. Video and photo are no different in how you hold the camera. The DSLR form factor allows you to hand hold a camera nicely. The Lunch Box / Camcorder format requires a rig at all times. SUCKS and is super dated.

That is why the C-300 has a more DSLR form factor, because it's where everything is going.

Let me know when you get good footage from using a DSLR handheld. You need a rig no matter what, especially with a DSLR. Video and photo are both different with how you hold a camera, that is, unless you shoot video with your eye against the LCD or photos using the LCD rather than the viewfinder.

What pros want is features and it's simply not possible to fit all the needed features on a DSLR (they hardly fit on the C300)

From the day the Cinema DSLR was announced I have been saying that the DSLR form factor should be tossed out the window. I'm guessing the DLSR form factor works perfect for you so maybe the 5DMIII would be a good purchase over a C-line camera.

tjc320, the DSLRs are much, much better for handheld shots

Take a look at this video I directed and DP'd recently. About 70% of it was shot purely handheld. NO RIGs. Even when using the 100mm L macro, I still shot it handheld with NO RIGs.

http://www.builtbyugene.com/mov_clients/DUEL2_ColorGradeMX_0401a.mov

I shoot a LOT of handheld with no rig (a big part of my aesthetic) and it's MUCH easier on a DSLR. You can view a bunch of it on my url:

www.builtbyUgene.com 

Of course you can't fit all the features of a traditional video into a smaller body (such as ND filters, but I'd rather use a variable ND), but there are also many, many advantages to having a small body, such as good hand held (very important to me) and the stealth factor.

As for what Pros want, I'm not sure how you define "Pro", but I have been working solely in TV for over 10 years as a Director / Designer / DP  and what "Pros" want is as varied as what many hobbiest want. There is no set camera that meets the needs of everyone. But I definitely know what I want; and I don't want to go back to a lunch box body because they're much less user friendly.

I obviously don't want things to go too small (like a point and Shoot), but I feel something like the 5D body is a good size. Not too big and not too small. The Sony FS-100 is a DISASTER in terms of interface. It's too big and has too many buttons. You don't need a button for everything, as Sony seems to think. It's much smarter to just consolidate all those buttons into a few and just design a smart interface for it, kind of like what Apple does with the iPhone.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS C100 & C500 Coming? [CR1]

« on: April 10, 2012, 10:05:46 PM »

That's the beauty of the DSLR is that it's as small as you want or you can rig it up to make it huge.

I've used the FS-100 and the AF-101 and it's pretty much a rig only type deal. I've also worked on shoots where the Epic was being used and that's obviously a tripod only camera.

For myself, I shoot a lot with different rigs, but I also like the handheld look a lot; and for that, nothing beats a DSLR.

Now I can understand if you are using some Cooke PL primes, you need a heavy camera to balance out the lenses. But if you have the budget for those type of lenses, you're probably not going to be shooting on a DSLR, or even an FS-100. you're probably going to be on REDs or Alexas (which are for very specific uses)

I think for general, all around usage on a camera that you can buy (not the Epic or the Alexa, at least for my budget), the DSLR format is much better than the traditional video format.

Personally, I like the DSLR format much better than the FS-100 which I feel has weak ergonomics.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS C100 & C500 Coming? [CR1]

« on: April 10, 2012, 08:42:51 PM »

Oh Yes, and this is good news. I hope my camera is finally going to come. I have a good chunk of money for it that is just waiting.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS C100 & C500 Coming? [CR1]

« on: April 10, 2012, 08:36:47 PM »

I only do video, and I DON'T want the traditional Camcorder / Video style body. Those are super dated and horrible to use compared to the DSLR form factor which is GREAT.

Think of it this way, would you want to shoot stills with a lunch box style body? NO. Video and photo are no different in how you hold the camera. The DSLR form factor allows you to hand hold a camera nicely. The Lunch Box / Camcorder format requires a rig at all times. SUCKS and is super dated.

That is why the C-300 has a more DSLR form factor, because it's where everything is going.

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EOS Bodies / Re: New Cinema EOS Above the C300?

« on: April 10, 2012, 05:52:26 PM »

I think the point most people are making is that Canon NEEDS to take care of their core video customers, which they have NOT been doing. I can afford up to an $8K camera, but I want Canon to release something worth buying, which is NOT the underspec'd / overpriced C-300.

Canon needs to get back to their core customers because they are losing them fast to Sony because of the current F-100.

A $35K camera is going to do most of their customers no good and will just leave us hanging AGAIN.

Stop this non-sense Canon and just release a decent mid range price video offering.

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EOS Bodies / Re: New Cinema EOS Above the C300?

« on: April 10, 2012, 03:07:27 PM »

but the fact that they exist makes it more likely that an even better camera will be right around the corner.

But that's the BIG problem with Canon right now is that everyone keeps thinking that a good camera is "Right around the corner," and they have repeatedly FAILED to deliver time and time again.

The moire started with the 5D2 and continued with the 7D, 60D, T2i and T3i.

Then they release the WAY overprice C-300. Then the 5D3 has a really soft video image.

People are sick of waiting. Canon needs to release the 4K EOS right NOW or else Sony is really going to clean them up. My cut off is NAB. I don't want to go Sony, but I am going to have too if Canon doesn't release anything

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EOS Bodies / Re: New Cinema EOS Above the C300?

« on: April 10, 2012, 01:56:44 PM »

Canon would make way more money with the 4K EOS that a new, 35k camera. Just release what most people need.

Canon's video offerings have been TERRIBLE. They release the way overprice c-300, then the 5D3 was pretty much a disappointment for video. The C-300 is going to obsolete very quickly with Sony's 4K release.

I was really hoping for the 4K EOS at NAB. If it's not announced, I'm going to be forced to go down the Sony route, especially now that you can use ALL eos lenses on Sony with the electronic Metabones adaptor.

But yeah, I really wish Canon would just release what their consumers have wanted for a long time now. A good Video / DSLR hybrid.

Sony really listened to their customers, and they are about to sell a lot of cameras with their upcoming 4K camera. According to an article I read with some F-700 beta-testers, Sony initially sat down a number of established film and video people, and asked them what they wanted in a video camera and then delivered. I know Canon doesn't do that.

Canon has really fallen behind in the large sensor video market which they basically owned. Major marketing mistakes and greed have and will cost Canon major market share unless they get out the 4K EOS.

Sony has a LOT more money than Canon and it looks like they are aiming to take Canon out, which they can easily do since they actually LISTEN to their customers and are releasing state of the art tech, unlike Canon.

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Lenses / Re: Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 VC Available for Preorder

« on: April 06, 2012, 01:23:56 PM »

I had the Tamron 17-50 f2.6 VC APS-C and it had decent image quality, but the mechanics SUCKED big time. The focus throw was only a meager 45 degrees and very loose which made manual focus not very good for video.

The Canon 17-55 f2.8 is much better, but costs 2x as much.

If Tamron made it with decent mechanics and a good picture quality, I would be it because of the V.C. which is great for video.

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Lenses / Re: !00mm macro L or non L

« on: April 02, 2012, 04:06:19 PM »

The L is awesome.

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