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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D3 and Canon's Comeuppance

« on: April 21, 2012, 10:00:10 PM »

unkbob - the advantage DSLR bodies have over dedicated camcorders is that you can use whatever lens you like - thus, the shallow DOF in your video

the video is nice because of the lens, thanks to the DOF

the bitrate of the video, the frame count is nowhere close to that of dedicated camcorders - you can get the Canon HF10 and add the same lens used in the video for much higher video quality

what I want to say is that Canon DSLR should concentrate on the best bodies for image IQ, and leave the video to camcorders because they are the way to go for video

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D3 and Canon's Comeuppance

« on: April 21, 2012, 08:52:42 PM »

the 5D MKIII is NOT a Bentley in the camera world IMO

it may be a higher end Mercedes

Well, I want to buy a Bentley GT for 30K.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D3 and Canon's Comeuppance

« on: April 21, 2012, 08:20:57 PM »

can somebody compare a 5M MKIII to a 5D MKII image to convince us that it is worth spending $3500 for the body?

we are photographers for the PHOTOGRAPHY = we want IQ

so, convince me with two images (of the same subject under the same conditions) that 5D MKIII is worth the cost...

(5D MKIII stock is intentionally kept low to increase demand - a ploy from Canon to make you think it is selling like hot cakes... NOT!)

PS. oh yeah - wanted to get the 5D MKIII - was hoping for a $2500 entry price for the body alone. in Dec. 2011 the 5D MKII was $2000 in Canada. Said that I will not buy 5 year old technology. Then suddenly the cost of 5D MKII goes up to $2400 in Canada when the 5D MKIII gets released at over $3500... WTF? since when? what is the intention with that price hike? history dictates that old bodies will come down in price then be phased out when newer models come out (ie. 5D MKII gets cheaper than $2000 here in Canada with the release of 5D MKIII) - but it looks like Canon knows where th real demand is... 5D MKII - and so to make more money, they do this! so, how is this good for the consumer? should I be thankful for them for this? NO because I am not a fanboy, nor am I Canon zombie - I want a cheap 5D MKII!!!!

I haven't been the only one who has made the observation that Canon seems more intent upon maximizing profit and protecting market segments instead of making the most kick-ass camera that it can. There always seems to be something purposefully gimped or a decision that was made by the marketing department instead of the engineers

All the decisions that a corporation makes are based on maximizing profits. Not some, not most but all. The only difference is that some get it right while most get it wrong (relative to others it the same market).
 
Now, the reason the D800 looks so nice on paper is not because over there the engineers have more sway than at Canon and it isn't because of some romantic notion of sacrificing profits to make photographers happy. It is rather because they knew that without some big wow factor they won't be able to challenge Canon's overwhelming market share in this segment. And that's exactly what we expect underdogs to do. In the end, if they manage to pull it off like Nikon seems to have managed, we all profit in the end.

And make no mistake. Only time will tell, but if Nikon does manage to overthrow Canon this time around, we will have the same exact conversation, only in reverse, in 3-4 years.

another observation I have on this topic is that Nikon stayed focus on their core segment:  still photographer and video comes as a bonus, but because they play catch up on the video side they did not hold out.

On the other hand I feel Canon is getting distracted by their desire to bridge the DSLR into the video market.  This is all noble, but could be dangerous in the long run if they continue to cripple their model because they need to keep certain feature for other model in the line up...just a thought...

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D3 and Canon's Comeuppance

« on: April 21, 2012, 08:15:38 PM »

The problem that I have with Canon is that they are doing this intentionally - release incremental upgrades to their bodies. Take a look at their bodies starting from the xxD and upward.  Small upgrades that are not worth upgrading for the IQ. The 60D is a step backwards from the 40D in IQ, as an example. The 7D is a pretty nice camera, but does poor in low light conditions. Why? Look at the 5D MKIII video - identical video quality as that of MKII - not that I care for video. If I want super video quality beyond MKII or MKIII I'll get a dedicated 1080p 60fps camcorder for $800 like the TM900.  The video on this thing is beyond anything the $3500 is capable of!

My complaint their bodies is that they are NOT trying to outdo the competition. Nikon, contrary, has released very impressive bodies. I also love Pentax K5 - kicks 7D in the teeth for MUCH cheaper!

Canon needs to get real upgrades in bodies and not drag their legs (intentionally) to maximize profits. I have money to burn, and I will burn it by purchasing from Nikon because it seems they care about their bodies as much as their glass. Nikon has gained a lot of market share since when? Look it up... since they really started churning out great bodies people wanted to use! Yes, there will be a cat and mouse in the camera competition, but it looks like Canon has been the cat for a while now... I don't have time to wait until they release a real nice body with real upgrades for a decent price.

Canon will become the next Sony trying to "protect" their profits and not go out to attract more customers! Read up on why Sony is in deep doo-doo these since 2008... it is now time to pay the pipper (Sony)!

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Sorry 5D3, Insufficient Value

« on: April 21, 2012, 01:26:12 AM »

some of you do not know what the word "invest" means

invest if when you spend $10 today, and after an x amount of time, the value of your initial "deposit" or "investition" or "purchase" increases

camera bodies and lens prices DEPRECIATE in time

purchasing these does NOT constitute an INVESTMENT

they will depreciate in x amount of time

if you really want to invest, purchase silver, gold or precious metals where the cost of these over history continues to increase (even though there may be corrections from time to time)

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Sorry 5D3, Insufficient Value

« on: April 20, 2012, 10:41:28 PM »

You two jokers, NWPhil and stevenrrmanir, are pathetic!

Why are you calling yourself pathetic?

sure, are we all not pathetic?

not my fault - technology's fault!

I am not a fanboy of Canon, Nikon, Apple, iPad, uPad, etc...

I don't own Apple's Chinese junk...

I tend to have my own preferences for technology based on more than marketing.  I really don't have time and don't intend to write anymore.

My intention was to support the original poster, that yes, the 5D MKIII is insufficient for what it is at that price.

If you think it is worth it, be my guest and buy as many as you can! Only fanboys go into my toy is better than yours... whatever people... keep going at it!

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Sorry 5D3, Insufficient Value

« on: April 20, 2012, 09:17:30 PM »

I have been a Canon shooter for about 15 years.  Canon film, Rebel, now with the 40D since 2008. The upgrades coming from Canon have been incremental and minor. Nikon a few years ago went big time with upgraded bodies. I still don't see the value in upgrading from 40D to 7D. Sure the body is nicer, but not worth it. The 5D MKIII is a failure. The ones who bit and paid that much money for it have to justify and auto convince themselves that it is worth it. Not in my books. I will be selling my lenses, don't have any L glass, but a number of mid-of-the-road ones and primes. Will be getting rid of Canon because even their flagship 5D MKIII is a half-asses upgrade over the 5D MKIII at a very high price. Why can't they do things right and get us some nice bodies like Nikon does? We don't have another 100 years to wait around! I don't carry about brands, but quality and price!