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Lenses / Re: Downgrading my equipment - looking for advice
« on: May 22, 2013, 09:31:27 AM »
Labeling people as "trolls", and calling people names generally, is one of the worst aspects of online discussion forums.  When the word "troll" is used to disparage people, it usually signals the end of reasoned discussion.  This is a blight on a number of photography forums.

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Lenses / Re: Downgrading my equipment - looking for advice
« on: May 22, 2013, 01:38:14 AM »
The 7D and 5D3 are nearly identical in size. The majority of that heft was from those L-Zoomz. Try a using 3 small primes instead and your back will thank you.

like a 24mm, 50mm, and 135mm prime. or even f/4 zooms like the 17-40L + 50mm + 135mm.

I agree.  I would not want to give up the wonderful 5D3, but I could easily downgrade all zooms and large primes to just 3 primes:
24/2.8 IS
50/1.4
135/2

Purchasing both the 135 and the 200 seems like overkill (in weight and expense); might as well carry a 70-200 in that case.

If I had to give up the 5D3, I would probably choose a 6D or 7D over the 1DIII (due to size & weight).  Good luck!

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Lenses / Re: Poll: Most Wanted New Lenses of 2013.
« on: May 16, 2013, 03:58:13 PM »

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Lenses / Re: One lens for vacation
« on: May 10, 2013, 03:06:12 PM »
I would always recommend taking at least one back-up lens, even if is just a pancake Canon EF 40mm f/2.8 STM Lens.

On my last vacation, the 40 f/2.8 STM was my most-used lens.  It's a great combination of compact size, light weight and high image quality.

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Software & Accessories / Re: Adobe to Stop Making Packaged Software
« on: May 08, 2013, 06:42:40 PM »
If you are just a photographer and not in multimedia which I find hard to believe, then a version of photoshop is £17 a month which I also see as good value, compared to spending the full outlay on PS Extended which is £649, then a new version will be out in 18 months with an upgrade path of 50% off so thats £900 for one programme. or £204 a year for PS CC.

TBH I feel most of the people who are complaining are not current subscribers to CS anyway and get it some how under the rug...

A price increase is a price increase, no matter how you spin it.  And for most photographers it is a hefty price increase. 

After the initial investment, Photoshop was $11.11/mo. if you bought *every* update ($200/18 mos.) or $5.55/mo. if you skipped a version and bought every other update. Now Adobe wants $19.99/mo., every month, for the rest of your working life.  For many photographers this nearly doubles, or more than triples, the long term cost.  How is that "a good value"?  ???

And yes I am talking about photographers who buy it legally.  Your "feeling" that most of the people who are complaining "get it some how under the rug" is just plain wrong.  Most people who are complaining recognize a big price increase when they see it.  You just have to do the math to see what's happening. 

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Software & Accessories / Re: Adobe to Stop Making Packaged Software
« on: May 08, 2013, 12:16:10 AM »
It's a big price increase, no matter how they spin it.

CC stands for Cash Cow, as someone said over on Facebook.

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Lenses / Re: Anyone upgraded from their 24-70L to 24-70L MKII?
« on: May 01, 2013, 10:52:07 AM »
A lot of people who bought the 24-70 mark ii are trying to convince themselves as well as others that they made a good(perhaps "worth it") purchase. Wake up people don't lie. The fact is, this argument whether the mark ii is worth the upgrade from mark 1 is the same thing as the argument of having more pixels. When you only view the image 100% crop then you will notice those things. Other than that, you will barely notice(if you will notice) the better sharpness. For the record, i owned both but end up selling the mark ii after 2 months of extensive use.

Version I was good when properly adjusted.  But when put to heavy use, version I had a tendency to go out of whack and need service.  When it went out of whack, you did not need to view the image at 100% to see the problem.  You could see the problem very easily.  Version II seems to be more durable.  It is more reliable and also handles better.

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Was hoping they were going to fix the black AF points to illuminate them. Had a really, really hard time a couple of nights ago doing some nighttime street photography. Frequently impossible to find the active AF point unless you turn the camera toward a light colored background. :(

AF Oneshot is a lot more accurate in low light...plus one can see which AF point is illuminated.
There's a vast array of different ways of using the AF system on the 5DIII, I'm sure with a little exerimentation a workable solution can be found for your style and genre of photography.

Someone please clarify:  does this firmware update change anything with the problem of AF points not being illuminated as they are on other Canon cameras?  It's not mentioned in the list of improvements.

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***Is the 1DX really the Flagship Stills Camera?***
Yes.

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Lenses / Re: Canon 50 L II
« on: March 28, 2013, 01:19:00 PM »
The current 50L is one of my favorite lenses -- I love the look it gives.  There is a video online somewhere in which photojournalist David Burnett comments about the special look of the 50L.  I tried switching to Nikon, but there was too much Canon stuff that I missed, including the 50L. 

I don't buy this theory of a corporate policy to wait for a competitor to make something better.  Canon has been ahead of the competition with the 50L, 17TSE, 8-15 fisheye, 40 pancake, 85L, 24 with IS, 28 with IS, 35 with IS, etc.  For quite a few years, Nikon offered nothing to match Canon's 24/1.4, 35/1.4 or 70-200/4 IS.  Of course, Nikon has some lenses that Canon doesn't.  Each company has its own priorities and its own timetable for updates.  They're not just sitting back and waiting to see what the other guy will build.

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Who said anything about extra physical controls?  All of those features could be implemented in the menus of the 5DIII.  The 5DIII already has "Scene Intelligent Auto" (the Green setting)

My point is that the green box itself is a top level item (it takes a spot on the mode dial, at least on the 5DII).

Putting the art filters inside any menu, which requires a few steps of navigation to reach and also generally requires taking ones eye from the viewfinder, renders them considerably less useful (aside from the fact that most users of this body consider such features useless in general this would make them a little bit more useless).

As long as they are buried inside a menu, those features wouldn't actually be harmful. I'm going out on a limb here, but my guess is that there haven't been a lot of requests for these features from 5D users. Your post is the first I've heard of this.

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This is not about loss leaders/free riders.  People paying $0 for their blogs get ads on their site, so they are not necessarily loss leaders/free riders.

You seem to be trying really hard to not understand here. The marginal software development cost of adding users to a software product is 0. Therefore the economics of developing software are completely different to those of developing camera bodies.

Far from providing any illumination, your analogy is off base and amounts to a willful obfuscation of an issue that you are apparently unwilling or unable to address in a more forthright manner.

As the 5DIII already has green box setting, and that setting already activates its own abbreviated version of the camera's standard menus (fewer tabs, fewer options), the creative filters and scene modes could easily reside there and still be useful.  Set the camera to green box, hit the menu button, select the filters tab, choose your filter.  Or do it via the Q button. 

But your guess is that creative filters and scene modes are not included because most users of this body consider such features useless in general.  Your guess is that there haven't been a lot of requests for these features from 5D users.   I believe your guess is absolutely correct.  Note that your guess doesn't rely on the popular "cripple the camera" theory.

I believe your guess also correctly explains exactly why AFMA is not included on the new Rebel SL1:  useless to most users, not a lot of requests for it.  So the manufacturer makes the most sensible decision.

You're avoiding the question about whether the useful "edit CSS" feature should be offered to all WordPress.com customers, regardless of how much they pay, or only with the $99/year Pro Bundle. Is it right to "cripple" that feature on all sites that don't purchase the Pro Bundle?  We've heard from some people in this thread that the cost of adding AFMA to any camera is zero; -- it's just software already written for other cameras, so the cost of adding it to any Rebel is zero.  I'm not sure that's true, but if it is true, then the economics are the same.  In either case, the feature is useful to some buyers and it's a zero cost add-on for the company, but buyers have to spend more to get it.  Just as with cameras, they have to buy the more advanced model just to get that one feature which could have been included in the most basic model.  Good, bad, shocking?

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Well, you are welcome to defend it as a business decision. However, Canon's policy of going out of their way to cripple their lower end products does make them less attractive (and difficult to recommend to someone on a tight budget!)

This is where we disagree.  The SL1 is no more "crippled" by the lack of AFMA than the 5DIII is "crippled" by the lack of creative filters and scene modes.




You can add creative filters, with much higher quality, AFTER the fact. You can't refocus all the soft images after the fact from poor AF calibration. One doesn't affect the ability of the body to perform to spec the other one does. So I'd say that one of them is a bigger cripple than the other.

But you can't add the exact same creative filters, or as easily, if you have to process them on your computer.  You need time ... and a computer.  Oh, and you need to find or buy the creative filters somewhere.  More time/money.  So omitting them is an obvious loss for 5DIII users.  Likewise, you can't fix all of the blurry images after the fact because you lacked the proper scene mode.  Again, a huge loss for 5DIII users.  ;) SL1 users can instantly dial in the proper scene mode and get the shot.  So why not include those features in a 5DIII?  Are they just "crippling" the camera for the few users who would find those features valuable and possibly necessary?

As I've said before, the Rebel cameras do perform to their spec.  Your theory that they have poor AF calibration and don't perform to spec is based on a different spec shared by a few people on gear forums.  This is like a Ferrari owner complaining that a Kia doesn't perform to spec, especially at the race track.

Yeah you can find the same only better and who uses a DSLR and doesn't own a computer????
Plus, they are a bonus. MFA is fixing something that is broken, totally different.

Perhaps the same people who use the direct Print button on the 5D?  There are people who have expensive cameras but don't do any photo editing on a computer.  They don't have the software, or don't know how to use it, or don't have the time, or don't bring their computer to every place where they bring their camera.  Why make them suffer with "crippled" cameras, especially when they paid for more than the basic model?  Why not just give them every creative filter and every scene mode on any camera they might buy?

But wait ... are you really arguing against including certain features on advanced cameras?  If so, you might want to apply for an executive position at a camera company.  That's where they're always deciding how to "cripple" cameras and leave features out.  ;)

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Let me ask you why they chose to omit the cool creative filters and scene modes in the 5DIII?  (Hey, I would really like them. :) )  Or why they chose to include the green Auto mode on the mode dial of the 5DIII?

Putting extraneous items on physical controls is not comparable to having an extra item in a 3 deep menu heirarchy -- since they can't custom build a camera for everyone, they need to make a cost/benefit call which means any item on the physical controls must be carefully thought out.

It wouldn't surprise me if there was some internal debate about the "green box" on the 5D -- there is after all already a P mode as well as Av and Tv.

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Another analogy:  Wordpress.com offers three price levels for blogs they host, from $0/year to $99/year $300/year.  To get the ability to edit CSS on your blog (a "premium" feature), you have to go up from $0/year to $99/year.  Of course, you get some other premium features bundled together for that price. 

You have a lot of analogies but they aren't really relevant. The $0 a year option is obviously a loss leader. Also, the fixed costs of software development are very large but the marginal (per user) cost (of the software development itself) is 0. The close to zero marginal costs are why they can afford to have free riders. Camera manufacturers do have fixed costs but they also have marginal costs. There's not much point in them letting free riders in -- the sales of rebel units are large enough that it would be crazy for the manufacturer to price them at the marginal cost (e.g. as opposed to recuperating fixed costs/making a profit).  So I think another place where the analogy falls down is that the $0 a year wordpress customers are free riders while it is probably not the case that this is true of Rebel users.

Who said anything about extra physical controls?  All of those features could be implemented in the menus of the 5DIII.  The 5DIII already has "Scene Intelligent Auto" (the Green setting) which sets up its own abbreviated menu, so why "cripple" it with no grainy black & white mode, no toy camera mode, no watercolor mode, and no settings for Sports, Kids or Food?  The code for those features is already written and could be added for "free", right?  ;)

This is not about loss leaders/free riders.  People paying $0 for their blogs get ads on their site, so they are not necessarily loss leaders/free riders.  Now that I look it further, it appears the company offers a variety of upgrade options and increments -- custom domains for $13/year, custom designs for $30/year (lets you change fonts & colors, but not edit CSS), extra storage for $20/year, etc., etc.   The point is that if you want just that one extra feature (edit CSS), you have to splurge on their "Pro Bundle" and pay $99/year.  And yet the code for that feature is written and costs nothing to ad to any site at any price level.  It's just a tab that is switched on or off, based on what you pay.  Why do they "cripple" that feature on sites that pay $13/year or $30/year, but not on those that pay $99/year?  Are they bad people because of this?  Is "crippling" even the appropriate word for this?  Perhaps it just makes good business sense. 

Seems analogous to me:  more expensive cameras are the analogous "Pro Bundle".

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Someone please tell this family that their camera is "crippled" and "broken" because it lacks AFMA:   >:(;)

Canon EOS 100D / Rebel SL1 - A DSLR you'll never want to leave behind Small | Large

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Well, you are welcome to defend it as a business decision. However, Canon's policy of going out of their way to cripple their lower end products does make them less attractive (and difficult to recommend to someone on a tight budget!)

This is where we disagree.  The SL1 is no more "crippled" by the lack of AFMA than the 5DIII is "crippled" by the lack of creative filters and scene modes.




You can add creative filters, with much higher quality, AFTER the fact. You can't refocus all the soft images after the fact from poor AF calibration. One doesn't affect the ability of the body to perform to spec the other one does. So I'd say that one of them is a bigger cripple than the other.

But you can't add the exact same creative filters, or as easily, if you have to process them on your computer.  You need time ... and a computer.  Oh, and you need to find or buy the creative filters somewhere.  More time/money.  So omitting them is an obvious loss for 5DIII users.  Likewise, you can't fix all of the blurry images after the fact because you lacked the proper scene mode.  Again, a huge loss for 5DIII users.  ;) SL1 users can instantly dial in the proper scene mode and get the shot.  So why not include those features in a 5DIII?  Are they just "crippling" the camera for the few users who would find those features valuable and possibly necessary?

As I've said before, the Rebel cameras do perform to their spec.  Your theory that they have poor AF calibration and don't perform to spec is based on a different spec shared by a few people on gear forums.  This is like a Ferrari owner complaining that a Kia doesn't perform to spec, especially at the race track.

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