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Lenses / Re: Photozone's review of the EF 24-70 f/2.8L II is up
« on: September 23, 2012, 05:26:51 AM »
I don't doubt that this is the best 24-70/2.8 zoom ever.

That said, the edge over other iterations and the sample variability make it a highly disputable purchase at this price.

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Lenses / Re: Manual Focus Lenses: Smarter in F-Mount?
« on: September 23, 2012, 05:21:00 AM »
Thank you all for your replies.

My idea is buying a D600 and 3-4 high-quality M/F primes - most likely Zeiss, Voigtländer and Samyang.

In this perspective spending 170€ for a chipped adapter by Novoflex or something similar is not a big deal, and the advantages in IQ, and long term durability and flexibility are just huge in my opinion.

I only wish I could find some information about the Voigtländer 28/2.8 for Canon/Nikon.

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Lenses / Re: Manual Focus Lenses: Smarter in F-Mount?
« on: September 22, 2012, 04:25:56 PM »
what about Zeiss 21mm?

http://diglloyd.com/ has a comparative review of all the Zeiss lenses. But the reviews are for paid subscribers only.


The 21mm is 500€ more expensive and 1 stop slower. Not a good deal to me, for only 7mm less. The 28mm is quite fine :) I would consider the much cheaper Voigtländer 28/2.8 but I can't find any review... for free at least :P

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Lenses / Re: Photozone's review of the EF 24-70 f/2.8L II is up
« on: September 22, 2012, 04:19:08 PM »
The price point for both the 24-70 II and the 5D MK III does seem very high compared to the current price of previous iterations.  However, apparently the 24-70 MK I was $2100 at launch.  If these lenses reduce in price by such a large amount can we expect the new Canon to be around $1400 within the next year or two?  Will it be viewed in a different light as a result?

I must admit I didn't think that sample variation in lenses was so large.  For two reviewers to produce such differing results is an eye opener for me.

Well, yes, a -30% in price changes the picture. Honestly it's the same for me, though I've never heard of things like this for the 70-200 II and comparably-priced lenses. Not this huge a difference.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« on: September 22, 2012, 04:00:17 PM »
A 1D body, I assume?

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Lenses / Re: Photozone's review of the EF 24-70 f/2.8L II is up
« on: September 22, 2012, 03:56:20 PM »
Fair point, but it doesn't explain the price difference between this lens and its old version, not to mention competitors. If Canon can't deliver a narrower variation curve, then why that price?

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Lenses / Re: Manual Focus Lenses: Smarter in F-Mount?
« on: September 22, 2012, 03:49:12 PM »
I was wondering, since we all know Nikon lenses can be mounted on Canon bodies but not viceversa, is it not smarter to buy manual-focus-only lenses always in Nikon mount and buy an adapter?

That would minimize the inconveniences of side-grading, and would make expensive lenses such as Zeiss, Voigtländer and Schneider-Kreuznach a very safe investment.

Is there any disadvantage I'm neglecting? Any problem with aperture control?
As long as its a totally manual lens, you only have to deal with the somewhat klutzy adapters.  If I were buying a new lens and it was available in Canon mount, thats the way to go.
However, in terms of being able to resell a manual lens, having one that could be adapted fit Most DSLR bodies might have the most value.
Not only can a Nikon F lens be adapted to Canon, but also to Sony/Minolta, and a few others.  That increases the possible number of users who might want to buy it.  Just watch out, many of those old Nikon lenses have odd protrusions or other gotchas.
Of course, buying vintage medium Format lenses with their very long flange distance would allow them to be adapted to almost any DSLR.  The old Zeiss Hasselblad Distagon T* lenses are fairly good and low priced for a Zeiss lens. I've adapted one, and I love the smooooth manual focus.

Thank you, but I was mostly talking about current DSLR lenses. Doing some maths, I've seen they're less expensive than pro-grade zooms, and offer better quality and higher value over time. Plus, I'm sure it makes photography much more involving and entertaining.

A setup like Zeiss 28/2, Voigtländer 58/1.4 and Zeiss 100/2 is roughly my idea. Any other suggestion is well accepted!

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Lenses / Re: Photozone's review of the EF 24-70 f/2.8L II is up
« on: September 22, 2012, 03:35:49 PM »
Klaus is a tough grader and tells it like it is.  I like his reviews!
However, Lens Rentals has the advantage of having several lenses to test, and Roger showed us what a average lens could do.  Testing one or two lenses is a tough proposition, since sample variation is a real thing. A tested can only look for obvious defects and if there are none, then the lens should be typical--- except that it isn't.

Honestly, I think that when you pay 2150€ for a pro-grade lens sample variation should be minimal and barely noticeable, while in this case they seem worlds apart. It's just unacceptable, it can't be a lottery. Not for this price. This lens is 25% to 350% more expensive than any Zeiss lens.

I've seen 3rd party manufacturers like Sigma, Tamron and Tokina bashed here for much much less and for 400€ priced lenses. At least let's all be objective about the epic fail that it is - for one reason or another.

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Lenses / Re: Photozone's review of the EF 24-70 f/2.8L II is up
« on: September 22, 2012, 03:03:59 PM »
This is where the 6 (7 in EU) years warranty comes in handy :)

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Concerning the price, I think many of you forget there's a Zeiss 35mm f/2 in front of that tiny thing :)

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: D600 Review with images
« on: September 22, 2012, 02:48:22 PM »
That ISO 6400 shot looks really, really sexy.

By the way, I would like to highlight two passages:

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One might be tempted to think the best time to review a product is before touching it, but not everyone adheres to the philosophy of Mr. Rockwell. (BTW, you need to Paypal me some money if you print this out!)

(rofl)

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Auto-focus has been another area of concern, with many critics who have not used the camera contending that the camera’s autofocus is as bad as the D7000. This, of course, assumes that the D7000 has autofocus issues. I have not experienced any type of back focusing or hunting problems with my Nikon D7000, so I can’t speak to that. Overall, I’ve found that the D7000 focuses slightly slower than the D700, but I’ve never had any issues with focus accuracy.
As for the Nikon D600, its focus is fast and accurate. I have already put the auto-focus through its paces by using it in a number of different situations (shooting into the sun, in dim light, low contrast, etc.). There were occasions when the camera hunted for focus, but only in situations where the Nikon D700 would also hunt for focus, such as in dark rooms. In every normal shooting situation, it locked focus quickly and accurately. I have absolutely no complaints here, and I think the initial reviews on this camera will quickly put to bed any concerns about the auto-focus system Nikon chose to use for the D600.
The other aspect of the auto-focus that’s received a lot of attention is that there are only 39 auto-focus points. So far, this has been the biggest issue for me. Thanks to the glorious 100% viewfinder, there is a lot of the frame that isn’t covered by focus points. The focus points are reasonably spread out, but are still very much concentrated in the center of the frame. There will be some situations where you will have to focus/re-compose to ensure that you have accurate focus. I think this issue is another one that’s being overblown, but at this point after using the camera for a bit, I do see it as the biggest “problem” with the D600. With that said, it has probably actually affected only a handful of my shots so far. Depending upon how you shoot, your mileage may vary with this, and it could end up being a deal-breaker. To me, it’s definitely the biggest fault of the camera.

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Lenses / Re: Photozone's review of the EF 24-70 f/2.8L II is up
« on: September 22, 2012, 02:38:19 PM »
I thought I'd never had to say this, but we should also reconsider the 2.5 times cheaper Sigma version.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: AF point comparison - D600 vs. 6D vs. 5D MkIII
« on: September 22, 2012, 01:23:48 PM »
1.  Upgraders tend to stick to the same brand.  This is a fact proven over and over.
2.  Spec sheets only tell a small part of the story.  They don't mention missing features, and don't tell you anything about how well the features actually work.
3. I just ignore reviews of performance based on spec sheets, they are not going to be of any real value.

Generally speaking you are right, but nothing in these cameras is really new, so I think it's not that crazy to compare how the same technology works in current models.

The D600 is basically a D7000, whereas the 6D is a... 600D.
If you believe that, then they are APS-C cameras.

Sensor size apart, do you see so many meaningful differences?

Honestly, both cameras have all AF points concentrated in the middle of the frame... as if the system was designed for a smaller frame, for example.

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EOS Bodies / Re: New Canon EOS-M
« on: September 22, 2012, 01:21:05 PM »


From what I heard the EOS-M comes with a small flashgun as part of a package with the 18-55 or the 22mm

Yes, but the point of a mirrorless is not having to bring a lot of gear with me :)


Why?  :o

I would love to have good IQ in a compact package for when I travel or I just can't/won't bring a full sized DSLR with me. But still, mirrorless cameras are not quite pocketable.

There are mirrorless cameras that are targeted towards enthusiasts, but this isn't one of them. Canon are probably trying to figure out how to do it without cannibalising their DSLR sales. Whatever the reason for their late arrival in this market, they are a late comer to what is already a very crowded field -- Fuji, Sony, Olympus and Panasonic already have better cameras with better options for lenses.


Yes, but why in the world for women? :D


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Lenses / Re: Photozone's review of the EF 24-70 f/2.8L II is up
« on: September 22, 2012, 01:18:17 PM »
Klauss isn't overly impressed for the price:

http://www.photozone.de/canon_eos_ff/773-canon2470f28mk2ff


Ha! The Onion Rings!

I've read a lot of bashing against the poor cheap Tamron in this forum for that very reason. I would lilke to know what those people have to say now.

Anyway, quoting the review:

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The question of the day is, of course, whether this is "enough" compared to the impressive Tamron AF SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di USD VC ? Well, we have some doubts here. We'd say that among the primary criteria the Canon lens has an edge in terms of contrast (at max. aperture), build quality and it has a slightly better bokeh. However, the Tamron lens is as good in the lower zoom range and provides a much better border quality at 70mm. Additionally it has a unique selling point - an image stabilizer. So unless you're heading into a war zone (thus requiring max. equipment quality) a premium of one grand (EUR) over the Tamron lens seems a little excessive.


I can only agree, and I add that it's actually utterly ridiculous.

They improved the build quality to a decency level but it's hard to praise Canon for that. They should be ashamed for the QC issues of the previous version, considering the price tag and the pro user target.

Looking at those graph it's hard to justify the hype for its sharpness either, and the bokeh is probably a tad worse than the previous version.

And the price? I would never pay more than twice as much as for the Tamron, which also has VC. By the way Tamron also offers 6 years of warranty and an excellent service. It's pure value.

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