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EOS Bodies / Re: Who really is the target demographic for the 6D?

« on: September 19, 2012, 03:32:05 AM »

Although many of you have complained about this new Canon DSLR model, I will explain my point of view, as I could be a great example of the 6D target:

- I come from a 550d (T2i) and I'd like to switch to full frame but without spending too much money, so Canon 6D seems like a reasonable option

- I don't give a S___ about the number and type of AF points. I almost exclusively use the center point right now, so having 9, 11, 39, or 61 AF points makes no difference to me. I understand they are very important for some type of photography, but for me one AF point is enough for 99.5% of my photos (and please, that doesn't mean I use my camera as a point and shoot, and I never use auto modes, maybe I'm not an "enthusiast" as some people here have described them, but I am not stupid)

- I _love_ that Canon 6d uses SD cards. I own plenty SD cards from plenty of devices (not only cameras), while my most recent CF card is 256 MB and 9 years old...

- 20 Mp is more than enough for me. I would have liked 22 Mp so 1080p video could be resized from the sensor size with a /3 factor, but anyway 22-24 Mp is something I don't need in my photos.

- We are still pending of some decent reviews, but on paper Canon 6d is much better than D600 for low light photography, both for high ISO and -3 EV AF. And 70% of my photos are indoor, so this is a strong reason for me to prefer 6d over D600

- What I would have liked? Pop-up flash and 100% viewfinder coverage, but no camera is perfect... I can live without that.

- What else I don't bother about? GPS and Wifi, although my mind is changing after seeing the Smartphone remote controller for 6d... I will certainly make use of it

So, am I the perfect buyer? Not yet... I think $2100 (which will be absurdly translated to 2100-2200€ in Europe) is still too much, but I'm assuming a price of $1700-1800 in a few months, and I can wait for that

Nothing personal, but I will use you to exemplify the demographic target for this camera.

You don't like the 6D, you don't think it's a good camera. It's just the only FF in Canon's lineup that you can afford, and this is why you will buy it.

All the rest is just you convincing yourself that it will be a good purchase in absolute terms. You only made a list of "I can live with...", while when I spend 2000€ I like to say "I can't wait to...".

Canon didn't bother to produce a good camera, they just produced a camera that could hit a certain market segment. They're relying on brand loyalty alone as the prime marketing factor, and probably they will succeed.

And this is all very, very sad.

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EOS Bodies / Re: At what price point will you consider buying the Canon 6D?

« on: September 18, 2012, 07:24:21 PM »

It's always like this. We always get a 1:1 $ to € conversion.

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EOS Bodies / Re: POLL: With what features would you consider the 6d?

« on: September 18, 2012, 07:13:19 PM »

Just add the 7D AF.

The 7D is a cheaper, 3 years old camera. There is no reason in the world why we shouldn't be getting an AF at least on par with that in 2012 and in a 2100$ priced camera.

Nikon guys are complaining big time because they think D7000's AF is not good enough for the D600 at its price point. They just don't know how lucky they are.

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Germany / Re: Importing Cameras from US

« on: September 18, 2012, 07:04:17 PM »

One thing is not clear to me:

If I go to Switzerland to pick the stuff personally, how can they demonstrate it wasn't mine already?

Let's put it the other way around: I go to Switzerland and I get checked at the douane. They will find my smartphone, my laptop, etc etc. They are my personal effects bought in my home country, I won't have to pay fees to carry them with me in Switzerland. Now imagine I go back to my country: how can they proove I bought my camera there and didn't have it with me when I arrived?

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EOS Bodies / Re: New Canon EOS-M

« on: September 18, 2012, 04:01:11 PM »

I really think the camera looks nice, though for the specs slightly overpiced - not surprisingly.

Please post some picture taken with the 22mm pancake wide open, if you can

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EOS Bodies / Re: At what price point will you consider buying the Canon 6D?

« on: September 18, 2012, 01:29:16 PM »

Hi,

it depends a lot on the sensor performance.. a banding free low iso monster would be very welcome.

I doubt we would see that on the lowest-end camera of Canon's lineup.

I would buy the 6D for 1500$/€, assuming sensor and AF performance are at least decent. That would give me enough saving to buy a nice collection of FF glass, so next time I will have enough money to spend on the body alone.

If I have to buy a 2100$/€ camera (that therefore I must be happy to keep for a longer time), then I'm definitely buying the D600. Due to other expenses I'm planning my purchase for February 2013. Let's see how the situation will be then.

    I saw the Nikon D600 today... look like a D7000. Didn't have the time to play with it, but initial impression is the focusing speed seem a bit slow.

   Have a nice day.

I'm also looking forward to have one in my hands, but overall I value accuracy more than speed. A FF D7000 is a nice bargain, more or less same as people were hoping the 6D to be a FF 7D.

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EOS Bodies / Re: At what price point will you consider buying the Canon 6D?

« on: September 18, 2012, 12:54:02 PM »

it depends a lot on the sensor performance.. a banding free low iso monster would be very welcome.

I doubt we would see that on the lowest-end camera of Canon's lineup.

I would buy the 6D for 1500$/€, assuming sensor and AF performance are at least decent. That would give me enough saving to buy a nice collection of FF glass, so next time I will have enough money to spend on the body alone.

If I have to buy a 2100$/€ camera (that therefore I must be happy to keep for a longer time), then I'm definitely buying the D600. Due to other expenses I'm planning my purchase for February 2013. Let's see how the situation will be then.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: sony and hasselblad

« on: September 18, 2012, 11:51:32 AM »

Very expensive and peculiar camera this one, but all in all, what else can one say if not "Welcome to party, Hasselblad!"

Hasselblad is keen to expand and develop its product portfolio to include a new range of advanced mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras (a.k.a. compact system camera), which will be followed by new products for DSLR and compact camera segments.

Read more on PhotoRumors.com: http://photorumors.com/2012/09/18/hasselblad-and-sony-in-partnership-to-enrich-product-offerings/#ixzz26pxedkFf

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs

« on: September 18, 2012, 08:11:29 AM »

Ok, I apologize for being maybe too emotional, but sadly this is how I feel, and I see others as well.

Oh, and one more thing, for those who thought at the 6D as a second body, paired with a main 5D3: When rapidly switching from one body to another, good luck with the different button and controls setup, especially the integrated "joystick wheel"! 

I understand your feelings - the 6D is quite likely the camera that will make me jump ship. You can already find the D600 for 1920€ in Italy, and Nikon Italy offers 4 years warranty for free. I'm sure the 6D will be better in low-light performance, but I'm not planning to shoot iso 12800 hand-held in the darkness and without flash so often, and in the worst case you have live view for accurate focusing. I prefer the better low-iso performances, cross points working at f/8, the better selection of sub-100mm lenses and the more MPs.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs

« on: September 18, 2012, 07:56:40 AM »

That would mean that the cross is composed by 3 lines (2 working a 5.6 and one at 2., but I find no back-up on Canon website for that assumption. How can you say that?

You've got to ask the op (see my link), but Dr. Neuro usually is 100% reliable concerning this type of information and the specs as I understand them match his explanation.

Makes little difference anyway. It's a fact that in the best case it's a 1-and-a-half cross, which puts it below the double cross fetaured by much older and less expensive cameras.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs

« on: September 18, 2012, 07:31:39 AM »

As far as I understand it

Nope, a lot of people got that the center point wrong including me, here's the explanation: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=9458.msg171516#msg171516

... concerning the non-cross points on the 6d, we'll probably have to wait for real hardware reviews to know how they perform for one shot or servo af.

That would mean that the cross is composed by 3 lines (2 working a 5.6 and one at 2., but I find no back-up on Canon website for that assumption. How can you say that?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs

« on: September 18, 2012, 06:19:32 AM »

Has anyone noticed this diagram in the Amazon.com 6D page?



The focus points seem to be more like lines than points.

The AF system comparison done by The-Digital-Picture.com shows that the 1DS3 also has these linear sensors as focus assist points:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Photography-Tips/Canon-EOS-DSLR-Autofocus-Explained.aspx

Are these linear sensors any better than the regular 5D II points at tracking moving subjects?

By the way, this AF system comparison is very interesting. Why aren't people complaining that the 1DX AF covers a smaller area of the sensor than the 1D IV? Is the sheer number of AF points the most important feature of an AF system?

As far as I understand it, it means the the center point is cross-type only with lenses f/2.8 or faster. Otherwise it behaves as a normal non-cross point.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Sigma Announces Three New Lenses: 35 f/1.4, 17-70 f/2.8-4.0 OS & 120-300 f/2.8 OS

« on: September 17, 2012, 07:14:15 PM »

I was excited over the 17-70 until I read the website and it appears it is designed for a crop camera. I suppose it is an upgrade to the 17-50.

Nope, it's an update to the "old" 17-70mm

As I said, I love Sigma image signature. I hope this 35mm will rock and have an affordable price.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Who really is the target demographic for the 6D?

« on: September 17, 2012, 07:03:36 PM »

It's for people who would like to buy a D600 but have too much invested in Canon glass.

Good one

Exactly. If you have money for such an investment in lenses, you have money for the body too. Those people are not buying a 6D.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Schneider Tilt Shift 28mm f/4.5

« on: September 17, 2012, 07:00:26 PM »

This 35mm war is juicy. It's an amazing focal lenght both on FF and APS-C.

We ought to thank Samyang for that. They screamed to the world how they can do an excellent 35mm f/1.4 at an affordable price, putting most big players to shame.