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Canon General / Re: What's Next for Canon?
« on: October 19, 2013, 11:17:03 AM »

I think that everyone who isn't a sports photographer will sooner or later switch over to mirrorless.

+1

If most of your shots are <150mm mirrorless is a no-brainer.

BTW, I don't know why some people are assuming that a mirrorless offers less IQ than a DSLR, thus being a sort of surrogate.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Sony A7 or A7R pre-order list
« on: October 18, 2013, 10:02:24 AM »
Sony has published a road map. 15 lenses in 2 years is really not bad for a whole new system. Has Canon done better with the EOS-M?

Moreover, Samyang has confirmed the release of FE lenses in a couple of months. Not to mention Leica, Voigtländer, Nikon, Canon, etc etc via Metabones adapters that even retain AF. Sigma and Tamron will also express an interest sooner rather than later, to try and conquer this whole new market. If this system lacks something, it's certainly not lenses - not for long.

And no, the A-mount has not been abandoned. Together with the A7/r, Sony has announced a new 70-200/2.8 for A-mount and a new enthusiast camera is scheduled for 2014.


This roadmap?

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/the-full-frame-e-mount-lens-roadmap-15-lenses-will-be-launched-until-late-2015/

Is there a more detailed one for the outer years?  Those unmarked bars are far enough in the future that Sony probably has not committed the big development bucks to it.  If the system sells poorly, those plans may never be realized.

A f/2.8 35 prime?  A f/1.8 55 prime?  A f/4 70-200?  A f/4 24-70?  A f/4 wide-angle zoom?  So far, their planned offerings are slower than their DSLR counterparts.  No f/2.8 zooms?  Why buy into an expensive system to get the FF sensor and not be able to use fast glass that APS-C cameras can already use natively?  And how many Sony adaptors are there?  It looks like Sony is trying to hedge their bets (A, FE mount, etc.), and it'll be a mess for a while.

The future may belong to mirrorless, but technology development is not a smooth transition.  Early adopters can get burned (minidisc or Sony-proprietary memorsticks, anyone?).  I'll wait.  And battery technology is a big issue.  There really isn't anything better than lithium batteries on the horizon and 300 shots/battery is not going to cut it.


Yes, that road map.

It's not usual for manufacturers to be very detailed on what it's going to be released in 2 years. I don't feel like Sony is to be blamed for being no exception. And a promise of 15 lenses in 2 years is not bad at all. And let me stress again that we're only talking about OEM lenses, not all the lenses that are compatible with the platform.

There are all the adapters that you want. The E mount is not new, only a FF still-camera with that mount is. Sony has had a competitive mirrorless lineup for a while now, and I don't see too many indication that they're going to drop the ball and run away. The same is true for the A-mount.

And anyway, this is not even about Sony. It's about the new tech behind it, or better, the novelty of a camera that offers more than a M9 for 20% of the price. It's about the implication of this sort of product becoming affordable for a larger user base. Fuji is rumored to go FF next year, for example.

Batteries maybe cannot be so much better than Li-ion, but other components can become more energy-efficient. The system will evolve and get on par or superior to current DSLR.

Again, the praise to Sony is not for a lovely incremental upgrade embodied by the recurrent release of a revised product, it's for pioneering a new land previously only belonging to Leica.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Sony A7 or A7R pre-order list
« on: October 18, 2013, 07:57:03 AM »
Sony might have a plan for the future, but its not apparent.  Yet another new series of lenses, and it will take years before they are all available.  There seems little point in getting a small camera and huge lenses, FF lenses do not get smaller just because the body does.  You'll have to buy the dead end A series lenses if you want a workable system.  Those who bought into Sony's A system are not left high and dry, as Sony has apparently abandoned it.  That's what they are known for, drop a product line and expect customers to run out and drop another $20K on the newest thing.  The NEX system will be going soon.
 
That's why pro's have kept away from Sony.  2-3 month turnaround for repairs, and they drop their product lines at any time.
 
I can't bring myself to fall for their tricks, I've seen it happen over and over with their products for the last 50 years.  They can make good products, but they can't stick with them.

Spotkane, you keep repeating the same things over and over again like a broken record.

Sony has published a road map. 15 lenses in 2 years is really not bad for a whole new system. Has Canon done better with the EOS-M?

Moreover, Samyang has confirmed the release of FE lenses in a couple of months. Not to mention Leica, Voigtländer, Nikon, Canon, etc etc via Metabones adapters that even retain AF. Sigma and Tamron will also express an interest sooner rather than later, to try and conquer this whole new market. If this system lacks something, it's certainly not lenses - not for long.

And no, the A-mount has not been abandoned. Together with the A7/r, Sony has announced a new 70-200/2.8 for A-mount and a new enthusiast camera is scheduled for 2014.

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Good points Albi.

I do not doubt that mirrorless will be there one day as well. But that day is not today nor is it the official release date of these bodies. I personally do not care whether it is a big change or not. I do not merely hold onto the kit I have because it is what I have always been used to and fear change. There are fatal flaws in the A7 and A7r for my needs (native lens options, flash sync, and battery life) that will not allow me to put all my eggs in that basket to make it my body in my primary kit at present. I long for the day that those issues are solved and I can whole-heartedly make an uncompromised jump. Until then....


I do agree with you that the A7's are not the perfection. The thing here is a bit more subtle: considering that this technology will probably mature and see many more manufacturers joining the arena, will they be the majority in a few years? Is it sensible to keep investing in a DSLR, or is it better to start investing in one of these new systems?

A funny thing is that many people have been preaching the demise of APS-C for years. The advent of mirrorless FF, imho, could make APS-C the only segment where DSLR will still be dominant.

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Canon General / Re: What's Next for Canon?
« on: October 17, 2013, 03:38:42 PM »
It's impressive what a management change has made for Sigma.

Maybe time for Canon to do the same?

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon 58/1.4 - $1,700!!!
« on: October 17, 2013, 03:32:03 PM »
it's 58mm because the legendary old Noct was also 58mm.
This new lens is supposed to be much sharper than the f/1.2 Noct.
I like it.  Don't know if I'll buy it.  Samyang's got a fast 50mm in the works. ;)

I read the interview too, but honestly I'm not swallowing it.

IMHO they chose the 58mm fl for some very nitty gritty design reason, then they embellished the thing by presenting it as the Noctilux successor. Also the statement that they chose f/1.4 instead of f/1.2 to limit vignetting seems and insult to intelligence to me.

Same here, I'm also curious about the Samyang.

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the DSLR concept is as dead as CRTs (you know those big fat TVs and computer screens) was in the early 2000s, but they don't know it yet.
What a shame, Canon & Nikon should have hired you for your incredible foresight and the ability to predict future.

Well, can't be quite a prophecy, but similarities do exist.

I remember people complaining about low refresh rate and ghosting, inconsistent white point and color reproduction, narrow angle of view, etc etc. Also back then there were hardcore CRT users who snubbed the first generations of LCD displays and swore that they would never truly compete with catodic tubes... and look at the world now.

Human beings love simple novelties but are genetically programmed to refuse big changes. But changes do happen, and people/companies who don't keep the pace are left behind. We now praise Sony for being ahead of the competition, but it's the same Sony which saw its domination of TV market being eaten up by Samsung. And the list is long....

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Sony A7 or A7R pre-order list
« on: October 17, 2013, 12:57:56 PM »
The A7 is definitely on my wish list.

Samyang has already announced their support to FE mount. If the Zeiss 24-70 is good, with the addition of M-lenses it would make a mostly complete setup. People complain that the Zeiss is pricy, and that surprises me because it's considerably cheaper than the Canon counterpart.

If Sigma starts supporting it too I'll be all in. It's a perfect, portable system for almost everything. Even if I don't get one at this round, for sure I'll stop investing in a FF DSLR system. There are of course some things that need to mature, but I believe it is the future.

I might get a crop DSLR for wildlife. I don't think telezooms are going to be smaller on a mirrorless, and at that point I would prefer the more solid grip of a beefy camera.

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I've followed these forums and this site for a while (lots of good info, thanks :) ) but I had to register when I saw a post about a Sony mirrorless camera...

I've had one...

Worst piece of **** ever!

Change lens 1 time and dust has already settled on the sensor.
That, in my opinion, is an absolute reason for NOT considering a mirrorless camera if you're serious about your photo-quality.


I'm talking from experience. Mirrorless is not worth a damn thing. You might as well get a pocket-cam then.

I don't work for Canon (or Nikon or Sony or any other cam-manufacturer), but I do have experience with both DSLRs, SLRs and Sony's mirrorless, so I hope nobody will get offended by my 2 cents worth here.

Happy shooting :)
(don't get a mirrorless, you'll regret it (even if it's from Canon, should they ever decide to produce such ****, which I hope they never do)

Sooooo... dust gets on the sensor while you change lens and you blame the camera?  :o
And you registered for the urge to say this?  :o

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon 58/1.4 - $1,700!!!
« on: October 17, 2013, 02:53:12 AM »
Well, this is not the first ultra-premium 58mm made by Nikon. The manual-focus, F1.2 version sold for $2200 in today's dollars: http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/58.htm


It's the reason why people in Nikonland are not impressed. Many were hoping for Nikon to finally have again a (modern) f/1.2 lens.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon 58/1.4 - $1,700!!!
« on: October 17, 2013, 01:30:21 AM »
In an attempt to get back on track....

58mm????  A bit of an odd focal length no? Do you think they use 58mm as it means mechanically/physically it is easier to have better IQ? Or is there some historic significance I am unaware of?

To my knowledge it has to do with a symmetric lens design. The famous Rokkor and the current Voigtlander are other examples of 58mm lenses.

However, good as this lens may be, the price does seem out of this world.

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Praise to CRguy for posting this.

Yes, these cameras are great. Maybe they won't be the greatest thing yet, but hey, it's a world first. The system will mature over time - which means more lenses too. Samyang has announced that in 2 months time they will release an FE version of 5 of their lenses. With metabones adapters you can use any Canikon lens and even keep AF capability. If Sigma starts producing their new lenses in FE mount, even better if it's covered by their mount conversion service, I'll be all in.

I'm in the crowd of those who wanted a M9-like camera but had no intention whatsoever to shell out $7K. Sony has made it for only $1.7K, and that fills me with excitement about the future - at the point that I'm not sure I'll invest another penny on a DSLR system.

Recent history teaches that companies uncapable or unwilling to keep the pace of progress (Kodak, Nokia, Blackberry, etc etc) are doomed to pay the price for it. Here's hoping to see a response from Canikon.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Outed?
« on: October 15, 2013, 11:51:02 AM »


As for inconsistent AF, well, I had the latest Sigma 30 f/1.4 DC (ART) lens. Used it for a week and got rid of it. DPReview had similar problems with the Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 lens. The Sigma 24-105 f/4 won't be any better... of course its f/4 aperture may help to mask some of its AF problems.

You mean that test DPReview did trying to focus on the white eye of a white marble horse?? Then they tried to use the USB dock and stated that it took several hours to configure it?

Curiously, because the new Canon 24-70/2.8 wasn't that great on the 650D, they felt the urge to specify that "As always, though, it must be noted that focus speed and accuracy is dependent upon a number of variables, including the camera body used, subject contrast, and light levels."


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For me the real deal with these cameras is the possibility to mount M-lenses using the focus peaking in the EVF. God knows how much I would like to play with those Voigtländer 35/1.2 and 50/1.1 with actual good results. On top of that Sony has the perk of Zeiss primes and zooms with AF.

Interesting timing for such a release too: Canikon has no mirrorless system worth noticing, Fuji seems very deep into their APS-C system, and Panasonic/Olympus/etc are very much into their MFT systems.

Sony is indeed way ahead of the competition.

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