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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Rumor: Nikon Digital FM2 - Retro look
« on: November 05, 2013, 04:13:57 AM »


for all you grudger out there: acceppt it, its a great, good looking camera, unfortunately not branded with CANON.

I'm a Nikon user too, and many folks around here know I have no love for Canon (nor any other brand). They are manufacturers of tools and I am the customer and the user of those tools, that's all as far as I am concerned.

This camera had all the chances to be a successor to the adored D700. It failed in one thing: the AF system. You can't put in a 3000 USD camera the same AF module as the D5300. You can't have the cheapest prime as a kit lens. You can't say "no distractions" while asking people to buy a wi-fi module, a gps module, etc etc.

Also, as far as the sensor is concerned: the D4 has less MP because is a photojournalists' camera and they don't care about high MP count as much as high fps. I have no knowledge that the D4 sensor offers any better IQ or is more expensive to produce - actually I would say the opposite. If someone is more informed in this sense please let me know. I have to say, I would have liked the 24 MP sensor much much better.

It's yet another example of a camera that was close to be fantastic, yet is not, and you wonder what made Nikon overlook such fundamental aspects. The camera ends up feeling like a fashion accessory for loaded vintage-loving hipsters and nostalgics. That is, more a marketing novelty than a photographic one.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Rumor: Nikon Digital FM2 - Retro look
« on: November 04, 2013, 04:41:15 PM »
NR reports it will cost 2750$

that price will make a lot of nikon fanboys unhappy.
they hoped it will be cheaper then the D610.

Fanboys are actually the only ones who are going to buy it. It's about all others that I would worry.

This camera, at this price, is just an EPIC FAIL.

Someone at Sony's opened a good bottle tonight.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Sample Images
« on: November 04, 2013, 02:36:42 PM »
They look good enough to make a more thorough review by some of the more reputable sites more interesting. We don´t know anything about what body they used and how the images were processed though.

It's the Sigma SD1 - this is why I said center sharpness :)

How they were processed is not super relevant to me. I process my pictures too, so I'm more interested in the potential of a lens more than how JPGs OOC look.

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I like the "Made in Japan".

If the price is contained and Nikon has gone all-in in stills functionality - aka 24MP, 51pt AF, HSS, 6-7fps, interchangeable mirrors, etc... then it's a winner and finally a real successor to the D700.

I don't believe that will be the offering:
http://nikonrumors.com/2013/10/28/nikon-df-camera-rumors-recap.aspx/

Looks like A+ for mechanicals and B for features / electronics / bells and whistles.

- A

I still hope the rumour will be proven untrue tomorrow :)

Otherwise it's just a revamped and overpriced D610.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Rumor: Nikon Digital FM2 - Retro look
« on: November 04, 2013, 01:32:19 PM »
could not care less about a retro looking camera.
all the knobs and dials... it looks like some steampunk camera. :)

and retro gets lame fast....
::) ::) ::)

+1

The problem is that if you really really make the perfect camera and you price it nicely, it will be the last camera you're going to sell. Just look at how many Nikonians are still so happy with their D700/D3X/D300s that they don't feel the need to upgrade. Let's be honest, if the 5D2's AF wasn't crap and the 5D3's great, how many people would have upgraded?

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I like the "Made in Japan".

If the price is contained and Nikon has gone all-in in stills functionality - aka 24MP, 51pt AF, HSS, 6-7fps, interchangeable mirrors, etc... then it's a winner and finally a real successor to the D700.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Sample Images
« on: November 04, 2013, 11:34:19 AM »
A couple images on Sigma's site.

http://sigma-global.com/en/lenses/cas/product/art/a_24_105_4/gallery.html

Thanks.

These samples do look much better, at least as far as center sharpness is concerned.

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Sad enough to announce the development of a new version of an old, not so great lens.

Though to be fair, Tamron is being doing nice things lately, so it might be interesting.

Maybe they are delayed because the engineering team is working on lenses for the a7?

It's marketing, nothing more, nothing less.

Not the smartest one, since it screams "don't buy the version 1".

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Rumor: Nikon Digital FM2 - Retro look
« on: November 04, 2013, 10:50:17 AM »


I also would have loved to see a fabulous "all-out" Nikon FF mirrorless camera in response to Sony A7/A7R. 
One affordable version "STILLS ONLY" and one significantly more expensive version with video-capture, to be precise. Not because it is that much more expensive to make. But because I would love all those videogrpahrers to cross-subsidize my stills cameras ... big time! Rather than trying to free-fride on my stills cameras and clutter them with all sorts of video capture crap.


Unfortunately it's probably always going to be the opposite. Consumers want video - and more features in general: pixels, GPS, wifi, etc. Deciding to leave video out involves a mature understanding of one's needs, and it's proper of the enthusiast/pro - thus the higher price.

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Sad enough to announce the development of a new version of an old, not so great lens.

Though to be fair, Tamron is being doing nice things lately, so it might be interesting.

Maybe they are delayed because the engineering team is working on lenses for the a7?

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Rumor: Nikon Digital FM2 - Retro look
« on: November 04, 2013, 06:53:24 AM »
Nikon 1 has not been a misfire. Not long ago production couldn't keep up with demand. Eventually market saturation occurred and sales went drastically down. The underwater version seems to be a good way to revamp the system - it's what "weather sealing" should actually mean and I'm interested in a camera that costs less than most underwater casings alone.

Market saturation => overall market demand is low. The fact that DSLRs now outsell MILCs by 9:1 in N. America and Europe is proof of that. Misfire? Absolutely.

Underwater version is great. I love the idea too! But how many folks need underwater cameras... again a very niche market.

Market saturation is different from low demand. Low demand means no one is interested, market saturation means that many people might be interested but once they are satisfied there is no additional demand. That's a tricky one for manufacturers, that today are getting screwed because photography traditionally is not as fast paced a market as consumer electronics usually is. The edge of the 2 worlds is a very unpredictable and tricky territory.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Rumor: Nikon Digital FM2 - Retro look
« on: November 04, 2013, 05:39:54 AM »

I always said that ever since Nikon changed the logo to make it look as if it had had one too many, Nikon lost the plot with their cameras, trying to have all bases covered to suit anybody and everybody. They've finally realised that the vast majority of FF users do not want pop up flash, they want sound ergonomics in a sensibly sized quality body, producing the highest possible perceived IQ, and a 16 mp sensor is going to work just great for that. They want a crystal clear OVF with no translucent LCD murking the image up which Nikon have been doing for years, and even Canon joined that game with the 5D3 and 7D. ( Yes wait for the 5D4, it will loose the translucent crap and have interchangeable screens ). If Nikon are talking about 'pure' photography I can't see this camera having a hybrid viewfinder as this must reduce the OVF quality.



Sorry - almost totally disagree.

1) pop-up flash is great. As with many other things, better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. The good course is not to remove it, but to enhance it. The RX100 has a tiltable head and even the iPhone 5S has two colors.

2) This camera is aimed exactly at having all bases covered and suit everybody. It will be the real D700 successor, something that D600 and D800 both failed to be. Ironically, something the 5D3 is.

3) I don't know about the 5D3, but the OVF of the D600 is big, bright and very clear. Too clear I would say, to work comfortably in MF at wide apertures. The green dot is unreliable when shooting wider than f/2.8.

4) For the tech level available today, I would say that the 24 MP Sony sensor is the best all-rounder out there. 28 MP would probably be perfect.

Talking about pure photography, to me it means solid build, great all-round sensor, great PDAF, high burst rate, HSS and great strobist options, high compatibility and focus support with MF lenses. Why not, Wi-Fi and GPS.

As of today, I think Sony might be the first to produce such a camera.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Rumor: Nikon Digital FM2 - Retro look
« on: November 04, 2013, 04:47:28 AM »
If it doesn't offer video, and it's not <$1500 because it doesn't offer video, Canon still wins

Yup.

Nikon wants to appeal to their base of stawart fans. This will also test those folks who claim they don't care about video and all they want is better photographic tools. Now, let's see how big this group is... I suspect it is VERY small and the DF is going to be another misfire, like the Nikon 1.

Nikon 1 has not been a misfire. Not long ago production couldn't keep up with demand. Eventually market saturation occurred and sales went drastically down. The underwater version seems to be a good way to revamp the system - it's what "weather sealing" should actually mean and I'm interested in a camera that costs less than most underwater casings alone.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Rumor: Nikon Digital FM2 - Retro look
« on: November 03, 2013, 09:50:58 AM »


If Nikon charges more for the DF than for the D610, it will be just another niche product that will sell very poorly. 

hehe!

Which unfortunately is likely to happen if they put in their best AF module, rugged body, etc. Though this is likely to create a contraddiction with the supply of a revamped 50mm 1.8 as kit lens.

The unclear thing at the moment is: who is this camera for? Consumers are unlikely to fall for it, and enthusiasts need some considerable perk to put aside their D600/D800. I liked the rumour of hybrid viewfinder because it would have made this camera very good with manual focus lenses - not only Nikon, but also Zeiss, Samyang and Voigtländer - though it seems that it's not going to happen.

I like the idea of a camera that has no video and concentrates on stills, but as Paul Walnut said, I need to be convinced that removing video is actually going to give me an advantage in term of still photography. Otherwise it's just poor marketing.

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