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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 100D Detailed Specs Appear
« on: March 21, 2013, 04:55:31 AM »
Welcome, Canosony. I see you've met Canon Rumors' ever-vigilant troll patrol. They pretty quickly turned me off to what looked like a promising website. You have committed the cardinal sin. You have pointed out that Canon cameras are not without shortcomings. We'll have none of that here, sir. For starters, you'll be dragged into the village square and and stoned with names like "troll."

It doesn't matter that your remarks about the performance of current Canon sensors are based in solid fact--both scientific testing and the empirical experience of thousands of Canon users. The keepers of the flame know a troll when they see one, and you, sir, are a troll. A saboteur, an agent provocateur embedded by the fiends at Nikon and Sony to breed sedition among the loyal minions of Canon. You crossed your fingers behind your back when you took the loyalty oath. Shame on you.

Expect to be met with absurd claims such as the one that Canon's technology never limited anyone's photographic options. If you disagree, the Pavlovian response of the troll patrol is to claim that the equipment doesn't matter. Criticism of Canon is simply prima facie evidence that you, sir, are a bad photographer.

Like me. I'm a bad photographer every time I take my 5D2 outdoors on a bright day. It's blown highlight city unless I mount and fiddle with ND filters, keep the horizon out of the composition, exposure compensate well to the left, or bracket and hope that nothing moves. But wanting more dynamic range, like, dare I say, Nikon's D800? That just proves I'm an incompetent whiner.

If you haven't figured it out already, Canosony, know this: there are a fair number of people on this forum who seem to think that any criticism of their chosen camera maker is tantamount to questioning their sexual endowment. You know how touchy people can be about that.

It ought to be possible to state a simple fact--such as the comparatively limited dynamic range of Canons sensors--without people immediately becoming defensive and resorting to name-calling. And it's a pity one can't. A number of knowledgeable people do bring up interesting and important issues in this forum.  But all too many CR threads (like this one) quickly degenerate into the same tired, vitriolic defense of Canon as the only true photographic religion.

I can only speak for myself, Canosony, but there are people on this forum who would make me proud to wear the scarlet T of trolldom. As proof, let me throw this additional oil on the fire. I've come to rely almost exclusively on my cell phone when I want simple candids to share with family without the bother of a lot of post-processing. And it's not because I'm oblivious to IQ in those shots. On the contrary, I use my cell phone because under artificial light its simple camera nails white balance time after time. Can we expect as much from the world's largest manufacturer of photographic equipment? Not in my experience. Under the same conditions, and no matter what white balance setting I use, my 5D2 and S95 turn people colors never seen in nature.

Of course, 90% of all photographers don't need or care about accurate white balance anyway. It's picky and churlish of me to point out this niggling shortcoming. So smite away,  guardians of the gate.

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I often felt the same.
Seems like if 1DX + 24-70 L II are unrivaled in many respects, then all of Canon lineup is to be considered on the same level.

I often hear this DR thing about Nikon cameras, and that as far as everything else is concerned they are worse. Seriously?

Is the 1DX better than the D4? Probably.
Is the 5D3 better than the D800? Disputable, mostly it depends on the application. Sure the 5D3 is more expensive.
Is the 6D better than the D600? Disputable - but leaning toward most likely not. And the D600 is again cheaper.

Below that, every Nikon Camera crushes its Canon equivalent in terms of IQ (aka sensor), MP, AF, features, etc. And price. And that's not only Nikon, before I get called Nikon troll of fanboy. Even Pentax has better sensors. Olympus, Fuji and Sony are lightyears ahead in CSC and mirrorless. Panasonic and Samsung seem to get better and better too.

How about lenses? Yes, Canon has some great ones and even unique, especially in the +1500$ range. But below that? Would we like to compare mid-priced primes and zooms? Would we like to assess Canon's deficiency in providing good value for money for the enthusiasts, or just students and other hobbyst who won't/can't shell out several grands each time? Affordable Canon lenses are most often old and not comparable to competing products in the same price range. Luckily Tamron and Sigma are seeing to that, providing excellent lenses at reasonable prices.

Funniest thing I always hear is that Canon is better because of the easier UI. Apparently the average Canon user can't stand reading a manual and going through the most gentle learning curve. That's much more important than IQ, value for money, etc. Nikon... izzz... diffeekoolt... me no undestandz...

So Canon is kinda becoming like Leica: great system, but the entry fee is quite steep. Are you willing to spend 5000-10000$ for your gear? Then yes, Canon is competitive in that segment. Are you willing to spend 1000-4000$ (which is not small money, as a matter of fact)? Then Canon is the worst you can buy. Buy anything from Canon below the 5D3 and L glass (some, not even all of them are that good) and you're sure getting much less than with competing products but paying much more.

But no, it's just whining... Canon products are good enough. As Curmudgeon stated, owners of 1DX like to say that gear doesn't matter. Complaining about plain discrepancies between performance and pricing of Canon's recent releases is a symptom of poor skill and knowledge. Canon cameras are the most sold, so they must be better.



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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« on: March 21, 2013, 03:57:23 AM »
I am afraid they did the same as with the 5D2/3.

Basically as many MP, basically same sensor tech, but new processor and maybe stronger AA filter to get better high-iso and video performance.

Actually, I have to say I am surprised to see a Digic 6 already. Might be that Canon has better means to upgrade the processor than the sensor.

However, time will tell.

I am in the market for a crop camera to pair with a good tele. Between 6D and D600 I already chose the D600; let's see if this camera looks better than the D7100.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 100D Detailed Specs Appear
« on: March 20, 2013, 12:12:32 PM »

I give an example of how DR is used and this is all you can come up with.

You have yet to demonstrate to us where the DR of a canon camera has limited you in real world shooting.

Excuse me, the photos attached to that article are from real-world scenarios or from a unicorn photo shoot in Narnia?

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More MP is fine and all, and I see the point in a crop sensor, but that's not going to help ISO.  They'd need radically new sensor technology to get a crop sensor camera to match the performance of a FF.  Not saying that can't happen, just that it'd be a bold slap in the face for Canon to release three new FF only to follow up with a crop a year later with this new technology.

Unless they want to push people to buy both. However, I don't think it's going to be a real threat for the FF line. As someone suggested, it's likely to be the pinnacle of APS-C performance and have a very poisonous price tag. However, it remains to be seen if the new sensor is going to appear at some stage.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T5i Leaks
« on: March 20, 2013, 11:07:30 AM »
Now they're living on the glory of their name, which unfortunately is not enough for enthusiasts being offered absolutely unremarkable upgrades.

I don't believe that the Rebel/xxxD line is really targeted to enthusiasts looking to upgrade.  It's an entry level line, marketed to people with a P&S or cell phone who 'want to take better pictures'.  The majority of those buyers will purchase a Rebel/xxxD at a retail outlet (Best Buy, Costco, etc.) with 1-2 kit lens(es), and never buy another lens nor upgrade (and if their camera breaks in a few years, they'll buy the current Rebel/xxxD as a replacement, and by then it will be 'better').

There will be a minority of Rebel/xxxD owners who are interested in upgrading (and since the number of Rebel/xxxD owners is huge, even a minority fraction of that user base is a significant number).  Canon wants those people to buy at least an xxD, preferably an xD body. 

The other relevant point is that the people who post on a forum like this are an infinitesimal fraction of the dSLR market.

I agree, but:

- Entry-level or above, there is competition out there. I fail to see a reason why someone would choose this D700 over a competing product, except for the Canon name on it. When something costs more than respectable competing products yet offers less, there's something wrong.

- This behaviour from Canon has become widespread and noticed by internet reviewers as well. When the best thing you can say about a company like Canon is that "after all their products are good enough", there's something wrong.

- Recent history suggests that the future release of prosumer cameras will be as disappointing. Other manufacturers offer competent, modern products in every price range. With Canon it seems that unless you buy a 5D3 or a 1DX and a bunch of very expensive L glass, you're having less paying more.

- That basically kills the prosumer who is happy to spend good money but not quite that much. As a prosumer I don't care about the ├╝ber-pro market segment; I care about the products in my price range, and in this respect Canon is failing terribly. Doesn't matter how many cameras they sell; good sale figures don't make a product better from a technical point of view.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T5i Leaks
« on: March 20, 2013, 10:28:45 AM »
Yes, the sensor is important.  No, Canon doesn't make the best sensors from an IQ standpoint.  But until consumers start buying bare silicon sensors to take pictures, what matters is camera performance, not only sensor performance.

I agree actually. Which is why I do not understand all that negativity when people hears about the 18 MP APS-C sensor... again.  ;)

Because there's only so much that people can tolerate a sensor that wasn't the best out there some years ago already. Lack of innovation about well known limits is what strikes and disappoints. Lack of additional feature to make up for an old sensor plus high price is what many consider to be just too much.


How is that people continually fail to understand that a "camera" is not a metal/plastic box with a sensor inside,

Canon must be doing something right with their "crappy" sensors.


They were doing great. Now they're living on the glory of their name, which unfortunately is not enough for enthusiasts being offered absolutely unremarkable upgrades.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T5i Leaks
« on: March 20, 2013, 08:47:08 AM »
Strange, my D600's files are not greenish at all.

I'm sure they are fine. They just appear greenish on Nikon DSLR LCDs.

But the D600 sensor debris problem is VERY real. :)

Also the lcd thing is overrated - it's mostly a matter of relative perception. I agree, it has a different hue than Canon's LCD and in comparison it looks greenish. The first couple of days it did look green to me too. However, once my eyes got used to it, it just felt normal. Probably by now Canon's LCDs would look insanely reddish to me.

I have taken around 500 pictures so far and I couldn't notice anything strange on them. I'll do a test when I'll reach the famous 3000 shots landmark. It might be that newer batches are not afflicted by the issue.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T5i Leaks
« on: March 20, 2013, 07:41:34 AM »
if you want to buy a competitive camera from canon today you have to pay 2800$ for the 5D MK3.

evertyhing below that you better buy a nikon product.. sad but true.
I disagree, Canon EOS 7D is a fantastic camera and it costs less than half the price of 5D MK III ... I use a Nikon D7000 because of the Nikkor 18-300mm lens, if Canon had a 18-300mm lens I'd have continued to use the Canon EOS 7D
5D MKII also costs less than 5D MKIII and it is great all round camera, which was/is much better than the Nikon D700
Canon 6D also costs less than 5D MK III and it does not have an oily sensor and does not produce green tinge images like Nikon D600
On Nikon D5000 & D3000 series of cameras you cannot have AF using many of thier lenses, if one wants to use some of the Nikkor good glass on the lower end models they have to be content with manual focus only ... whereas Canon xxxD & 1000D series bodies can auto focus on ALL of the EF & EF-S glass Canon makes.

Strange, my D600's files are not greenish at all.

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Lenses / Re: Do I need the EF 85mm f/1.8 USM?
« on: March 20, 2013, 04:57:18 AM »
I have the 17-40 f4L, the 24-70 f2.8L and 70-200 f2.8L IS II
Used on both  the 7d and 5d mark II.

Will the 85mm f/1.8 give me noticeably better bokeh or any sharper images because it is a prime lens? I cannot afford another L lens at the moment.

Thanks!

Canon 85/1.8 is a good lens but old and far from superlative for today's standards. It only gets sharp around f/2.8, and wider than that you're also going to be cursed by CA and fringing. Bottom line: in your kit it will be an unremarkable addition.

If you want a portrait prime to expand you possibilities - which means one that you can comfortably use wide open - buy the Sigma 85/1.4.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T5i Leaks
« on: March 19, 2013, 05:31:08 PM »


With the specs of the T5i, the 70D was to be at least as good, probably better build, shoulder display, Digic 6, and slightly faster. If the 7D2 is going to be better than the 70D it's going to be a kick-ass little camera

I doubt it's already time for a digic6....

like the EOS-B? If it's out there, I can see it going into the 70D and a pair of them into a 7D2. They probably left the digic5 in the T5i to make the upgrade simpler..... software and improved sensor.... no new circuit boards or re-tooling.

Excuse me, where did you read of the eos-b having a digic6? Or any other camera, for that matter?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T5i Leaks
« on: March 19, 2013, 05:13:25 PM »


With the specs of the T5i, the 70D was to be at least as good, probably better build, shoulder display, Digic 6, and slightly faster. If the 7D2 is going to be better than the 70D it's going to be a kick-ass little camera

I doubt it's already time for a digic6....

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T5i Leaks
« on: March 19, 2013, 04:51:28 PM »
They could have at least added Wi-fi...  :-\

Lol. That seriously made my evening.

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Canon lingers while the D7100 is already shipping...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS-b Images Leak & a New Kit Lens
« on: March 19, 2013, 04:44:28 PM »
It all makes perfect sense except that the price tag is supposed to be 800$. Is that the entry-level? O.o

It'll start out at $800 but will drop over time, as other Canon cameras do.
Also I don't get all the hate for the sensor, having just got a 650D (stop gap before going FF) it holds up quite well with my 50D sensor, and that's using L lenses.

If Canon listened to people on the internet, they'd never release a camera as they'd never be able to meet peoples unrealistic expectations. I probably won't be buying this camera myself, but I can see it's appeal and the reasons for Canon producing it.

Yes, electronic stuff tends to cost less and less as time goes by and it becomes outdated. That's a general situation, not a peculiarity of canon cameras. I still think the price is very steep for the sort of camera.

And... Eeerrrr.... Are you impressed because the sensor in your 650D holds up well with its previous generation? Is that something to rave about....?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T5i Leaks
« on: March 19, 2013, 03:25:57 PM »
Honestly it looks very plausible. I was betting the 700D would have been crappy. My guess is the 70D will be acceptable but overpriced while the 7d2 will be very very good and very very expensive.

In the end the 7D line will keep the crown in the aps-c war but at a prohibitive price, while the 70D will struggle against the D7100 in terms of value and performance. IMHO of course  ;)

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