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Lenses / Re: Canon Makes the EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS Official
« on: November 06, 2012, 11:29:12 AM »
Is there any way to get the MTF charts for these lenses at the moment?


It's up on canon usa

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup/ef_24_70mm_f_4l_is_usm


And here is a quick link to the 24-105 for comparison:
http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup/ef_24_105mm_f_4l_is_usm

The new lens does look a bit better, although at the tele end the comparsion is between 105 and 70.

And if you care to take a peek at the competition: it appears to blow the nikkor kit lens out of the water:

http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Nikon-Products/Product/Camera-Lenses/2204/AF-S-NIKKOR-24-85mm-f%252F3.5-4.5G-ED-VR.html#!

...just going by mtf's, anyway.  But at the price it should.


I'm sure Canon's 24-70mm will beat Nikon's 24-85mm.

1500$ versus 600$, would be a shame if id doesn't.

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One more nail in the coffin....

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Lenses / Re: Opinion: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« on: November 06, 2012, 09:50:17 AM »
Canon is confusing me..
Why would they make the 24-70 f4?
The 24-105 has no rivals…and if they ever discontinue that, it would be a waste..they should improve it and release a ver 2.

The 24-70 f4 is supposed to be a 6D kit and if it's alot better than the 24-105, then why would anyone buy a 5D3 kit with the 25-105 then? 
Whatever the price, the 2.8 version is at least 2x more expensive…i hope this brings down the price of the 2.8 version.

I really can't understand Canon's logic with this new lens…then maybe the new 5D3 will also come with this kit and it will be more expensive than the 24-105kit :) Good enough reason to make more $$

Smaller + Lighter, that's the way Canon is moving

Well that's all relative, the 24-70mm will be 10% lighter than the 24-105mm for 25% focal loss, the ratio is not very favorable to the new one. 35mm f2 IS is 335g when the old 35mm EF was 210g, that's a 50% weight increase, so far for the smaller + lighter.

We are not even talking about price here the new 24-70mm being 50% more expensive than the 24-105mm.

The 35mm f2 EF "old" is sold in Europe for 245 Euro, the 35mm IS is announced at 850 Euro, thats more than 3 times the price !!! Thats the most expensive IS + USM upgrade ever sold. For the price, the lens HAS to be a killer.

To add about the macro function, it's to see in real life :

1 - The macro function is a step back to zooms from the 1980s, where you had to lock the zoom on the longest focal before you can focus closer.

2 - Macro performance is not only about focusing closer, it's as well  about field curvature (among other). Let's wait and see how flat is the field, since in my experience, strong field curvature on zoom can ruin macro capabilities.


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Lenses / Re: Opinion: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« on: November 05, 2012, 09:00:27 AM »
Amen, finally a replacement to the embarrassing prehistoric EF 35mm.

I am afraid it will cost 3 times the price though.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon Sales Rising
« on: November 05, 2012, 08:44:03 AM »
Let's put this in perspective - this is the first quarter in several years that Nikon outsold Canon, and Nikon needs a lot more quarters like this last one to make up for how far they trail Canon in dSLR market share.

im not really interested in market shares... im interested in products.
and nikon has produced the more exciting cameras this year.
at least in my pricerange of 2000-3000 euro.

im not switching as this would cost me a fortune on glass.
but i do hope that canons next generation will be exciting not just blah.

+1.

I stick because switching glass would cost me a fortune (and I need my TS-Es)

I couldn't care less about sales figures. Canon and Nikon are not exactly the same companies, Canon being much bigger, with lots of other products than photography (copiers, printers, office equipment).

But Nikon, with its smaller footprint is putting a lot of NEW products with exciting features. It's not not about money (Canon has more of it) it's about attitude and creativity.

For a newcomer, Nikon is nowadays the obvious choice, their cameras will give you better IQ for less money. Only the 1Dx can compete with its D4 equivalent.

What counts is the final product you release and the price you sell it. Canon has nothing exciting or even new to propose, it's clear they did not invest enough in RD since some time. They might be n°1, but they fell asleep.

IMO the 24-70mmf4 IS is just a marketing lens designed to offer a cheaper kit for the 6D.

When Nikon announces a NEW product, it's available within weeks (or a few months worst case). Canon since years is just refreshing what they already have, and announces it years before you can actually see it, most of it being delayed anyway. On top of that, the retail price is always more than the competition and much more than the product it replaces.

IMO the last NEW lenses Canon has put on the market was the 8-15mm Fisheye, and the good 40mm pancake (though crippled by the focus by wire). Everything else is merely a refresh.

The 24mm and 28mm IS are replacing 30 years old lenses, I would call them a refresh as well, and the price has been refreshed accordingly.

If it's about refreshing, there's an endless list of lenses that are completely outdated (20/2.8, 28/1.8, 35/2, 50/1.8, 50/2.5 Macro, 135/2.8 SF, 400/5.6), could see some obvious improvements (35/1.4, 45/2.8 TS-E, 50/1.4, 90/2.8 TS-E, 180/3.5, 200/2.8, 300/4 IS, 100-400/4-5.6) or are simply missing (17/2.8, 14-24/2.8 )
When Nikon's sensors superiority finally got widely admitted, then everyone starts putting Canon's glass as being the main interest.

That was maybe true until now, but if they don't do anything to renew their aging glass range, they won't keep the upper hand much longer.




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Lenses / Re: Two Lenses to be Announced Shortly.....
« on: November 04, 2012, 08:19:53 PM »
How come is it that when Nikon announces a new lens it's available within weeks, when Canon's availability is within years ?

Sounds like we know we're behind the competition, but if you are patient for 2 more years, you'll actually see some novelty.... so please don't switch to Nikon immediately.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Is this an Overkill to purchase the EOS....
« on: November 02, 2012, 07:56:30 AM »
Not sure if I got it right but you want to replace BOTH your 5D2 and 7D with the 5D3 ?

If yes, that makes sense, you'll get a camera that can easily replace both (except for the loss of reach the 7D provides).

The 1DX would give you more  weather protection, and a slightly faster AF, but for added weight, the loss of 4Mpx and double price, IMO not worth it unless you have no budget limitations and/or plan to do some pro work and need the extra reliability of the 1DX.

I would not bet too much on the 6D in your case, that might be a decent entry level FF / travel camera (for 1500$), but it's unlikely the AF system will come close to the 5D3.

So IMO you made the right choice, especially if you plan to buy a big white super-tele in the future, that will deserve a good AF to get the best out of it.

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Lenses / Re: Can a UV filter affect IQ (sharpness) on a lens?
« on: November 01, 2012, 09:56:30 PM »
The only filter that makes sense would be a polarizer and that's due to it's special purpose.  Any additional glass in the path will affect IQ.  It becomes especially apparent using longer focal lengths and lenses that are already as sharp as the Hubble Space Telecope.  In addition, the flat surfaces also tend to cause more internal reflections and ghosting, even ones that are multicoated.  Many of Canons lenses use meniscus front lenses that are slightly curved to reduce this effect.  Adding a filter on the front just defeats the engineering.

Never use a filter unless you have a specific need for it and are willing to accept some loss of IQ.

+1

Always found strange that people invest 2000$ to get the best IQ from a lens and ruin it with a 25$ piece of cheap glass....

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Lenses / Re: Guess what Canon's next wide angle zoom will be
« on: November 01, 2012, 09:50:02 PM »
I would prefer to see some actually NEW lenses instead of the usual version 3 or 4 of something we already have, people at Canon completely lack creativity these days.

So let's make another version of what's already existing, it will create some hype anyway, and then let's start working on..... the next same version of the same lens again. Let's take the good 17-40mm that we sell too cheap anyway, add an IS and sell it twice the price.

The only thing (aside from the money I would lose) that keeps me from buying a Nikon is the glass I already own, but if they are not even able to design new glass any more, what's the reason to stay ?

I can understand they are in a slight downturn, but when you add price arrogance and design immobility, it's getting difficult to foresee a brighter future.

Still have some patience left but for how long

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Lenses / Re: Guess what Canon's next wide angle zoom will be
« on: November 01, 2012, 03:51:47 PM »
20-28mm f4.5-5.6 STM - 1200$

OK I'm out.... ;)

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Lenses / Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS [CR1]
« on: October 30, 2012, 12:00:32 PM »
Come on guys, you're all avoiding the real issue here - CANON SHOULD BE PUTTING STABILIZERS BUILT INTO THEIR CAMERAS.
But then Canon should design bodies again.

I wonder if anyone ever designed a stabilized converter ?
One could thing about a 1.2x that would convert any lens into IS with minimum loss in IQ, angle of view and speed.
It would of course not be ideal for WA lenses, but could be a useful accessory.
But maybe this is not technically possible (or marketing wise) ?

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You should define more precisely what's inside your lens.
In case it's dust, just leave it, a I am not sure how much the 135mm f2 is weather sealed, but at some point every lens gets some dust inside, it's just life. The good side of it is that it has NO effect whatsoever on the IQ.

1-IMO it's just plain overkill to have it cleaned, or even checked in this case.
2- Yes they will be glad to take a lot of money from you.
3- If you open a perfectly good lens, you take the risk of a not so perfect reassembly.
4- I would be very surprised that dust is covered in the warranty of a lens
5-Never disassemble it on your own, you will just kill it (unless you have a real experience in lens repair)

The only thing that worries me is that you do not seem very sure about what is actually inside your lens. If it's dust, then just leave it. If it's something else, then it may be a good idea to have it at least identified.

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Lenses / Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS [CR1]
« on: October 30, 2012, 09:51:39 AM »
I am not sure I get the point with another 24-70mm. Then why release the v2 ? Was the IQ of the v1 so bad that it needed such an urgent refresh ? Maybe they could have waited a bit more to release a better product with IS. My guess is that a lot of people who bought the v2 will be highly frustrated when the v3 IS is ready.

Same with the 135mm f2 that is an excellent lens and IMO is not the most urgent need.

On the other end, they still have a few very lousy old lenses (20mm f2.8, 28mm f1.8, 35mm f2, 50mm f2.5 macro, 135mm f2.8 Soft Focus  ::)), the wide angle zooms are not that good (both 17-40mm and 16-35mm), the TS-E 45mm and 90mm NEED the new design with separate controls, the 100-400mm could use a mechanical update, the 400mm 5.6 cries for an IS, there is no excellent wide angle between 14mm and 24mm (the 17mm TS-E is too specialized and expensive for normal use) and so on....

Instead of refining the 4th version of their tele-converters, maybe they should have a COMPLETE range of modern lenses to start with.

I understand they put a lot of emphasis on the big whites since this is big money, but what is honestly the percentage of photographers who can afford a 13,000$ 600mm f4 (aside from some full time specialized pros) ?

Mr. Canon, we have had a lot of refreshes lately, maybe it would be time to surprise us a bit with something really new....

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Lenses / Re: 24-70II or 17-40+5DMARK II
« on: October 30, 2012, 09:03:22 AM »
Hello, practically speaking, it's up to you to know what focal range you like best.

For landscapes, if you do not need a combat AF, the 5D2 is a very good camera, at a very good price. I shoot 90% of my pictures low ISO on a tripod, and I gave up upgrading to the 5D3, for the simple reason it doesn't bring me enough to justify the switch. The main advantage (in my case) would be the integrated horizon, the 100% viewfinder and the extra build quality,  but IQ would not improve (at least with the ISOs (100-400) I am using. Plus for not so fast moving subjects, the AF is decent.

The 24-70mm is a good lens, but way overpriced IMO. Unlike many others, I do not feel the need to have exactly matching focal zoom lenses (14-24, 24-70, 70-200), I use zooms only for what they are: several lenses in one. Primes force you to think a bit more about the framing.

My opinion : buy a 5D2, it's a tried and proven camera, this will increase your IQ from a 7D. You can wait for the 6D, but I doubt the sensor tech will be much better than the 5D2, and it you will likely get a cheaper built than the 5D and 7D.

I would get the 17-40, since it allows you a wider view. With the 24-70, you'll end with a 38mm as your shortest focal on your 7D, for 3 times the price.

I guess you already did the the financial balance :

24-70mm : 2299$, 17-40mm : 729$ + 5D2 :1699$ = 2428$

Add later a 50mm 1.4, and this is all you need. Assuming you keep your 70-200mm of course.

Forget about the slight sharpness differences, this is for pixel counters, have the gear that cover your needs, and use it to make nice pictures.....

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Hello, I would advise as well to rent a 5D2 or 5D3 for the ergonomics. It seems this shooting is important to you, so please don't take a chance with a camera you don't master. Nikon and Canon cameras controls are quite different, if you are familiar with Canon's, then go Canon.
Having full control of your camera in such a situation is more important than a 15% IQ improvement. Better spend your energy on your shooting, than struggling with a camera you don't know yet.

I would love to have a D800E for my tripod work, but IMO, in your case the added benefits of the better Nikon sensor, are irrelevant. Resolution is pointless for web editing, and the extended DR won't improve  much in a well lit studio environment.

Like others, I would rent another lens (2.8 or better), since the 24-105mm, though an excellent lens, has IMO a bit too much DoF to allow for full portrait creativity.

If you have enough working space, a 50mm f1.4 AND a 85mm f1.8 or 100mm f2 or 135mm f2 could be all you need.

Good luck with your choice and have fun shooting....

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