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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mark II for Photokina? [CR1]

« on: January 02, 2012, 04:25:34 PM »

And may the mighty engineers of Kwanon push those boundaries evermore!!!

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D sensor poll

« on: January 02, 2012, 04:22:40 PM »

both are half baked for video. i say no for 7D

I've shot an Indie film with a 7D... looked great, but, the script was horrible, so, no, I won't tell you what it is, but it did look great...

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D sensor poll

« on: January 02, 2012, 03:54:08 PM »

Indeed, they have said the ASP-H is dead... Long Live the APS-C!!!

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D sensor poll

« on: January 02, 2012, 08:45:50 AM »

Indeed. I would live ASP-C, AND more than 18MP.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mark II for Photokina? [CR1]

« on: January 01, 2012, 11:23:52 PM »

According to DxO dynamic ranges:

7D: 11.7 evs
5DII : 11.9evs
1D4: 12 evs
1Ds3: 12 evs

So the 7D is the bottom of the pile   

If you fall for DxOMark's skewed, entirely-unrepresentative-of-real-world-use way of getting their figures...

You forget the 5D Mk II's problem with banding/pattern noise at high ISO which chews right into it's usable DR.

I have  the 7D, 5DII and the 1D4 and their tests match my observations. Are you seriously going to tell me that the 7D does landscapes better than the 5DII?, are you seriously going to tell me that the 7D does high iso better than the 5DII? Ah the banding factor - happens at an iso which is well past anything the 7D can think of.

If you have better measurements let us see them.

I don't think that's what he's saying... he's saying that they have very close dynamic ranges... there are other factors to landscape capture than just dynamic range...

For ultimate landscape image quality, get an old crown graphic and upgrade to 4x5...

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mark II for Photokina? [CR1]

« on: December 31, 2011, 05:00:53 PM »

Who wants a 7D mk2 and not a FF 5Dmk3 with more dynamic range?
Would a 21Mpixel 7D with more dynamic range from a better sensor and digic 5 be worthwhile.
New is good, but why would i upgrade from a 60D?

The 7D has a better dynamic range than the 5DII.......And you're talking about 2 cameras that we know absolutely nothing about, but I'm guessing there won't be that much of a difference, probably less than 1 stop.

According to DxO dynamic ranges:

7D: 11.7 evs
5DII : 11.9evs
1D4: 12 evs
1Ds3: 12 evs

So the 7D is the bottom of the pile   

Seems like not a lot of distance between each other in the pile... seems also that dynamic range has almost nothing to do with sensor size...

Perhaps, it has more to do with programming and other technology?

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Lenses / Re: Videography vs. Photography Lenses

« on: December 31, 2011, 10:56:03 AM »

There's a 30-300 T2.9 zoom coming out, for a mere 45,000 bucks, if I remember right... 

Sounds like you need a few lenses...

The 17-50 should work for your wide...

The 70-200 2.8 and 120-300 2.8 are both considerations, but you will need a pretty good tripod...

There is no super zoom which will meet all your needs generally available... Except on broadcast cameras!!!

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mark II for Photokina? [CR1]

« on: December 31, 2011, 10:40:43 AM »

Who wants a 7D mk2 and not a FF 5Dmk3 with more dynamic range?

I love how some people feel qualified to comment on how one non-existent camera will perform in comparison to another non-existent camera.

Don't assume that FF automatically implies better DR - the Nikon D7000/Pentax K5/Sony sensor has already proven that it's a poor assumption, and I expect Canon to continue that trend.

True... true...

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Lens Gallery / Re: Canon EF135mm f/2L USM

« on: December 31, 2011, 10:36:06 AM »

Is there anyone able to post some indoor sports photos that were taken with an APS-C camera - like 7D?

Well, I don't have sports shots taken with it, but I ran a series of test landscape shots with my 40D and 135L a few years ago (10 shots at each 1/3 stop shutter speed, incrementing from 1/200 to 1/500). I found that in order to consistently get pixel-peeper-sharp handheld landscape shots completely free of motion blur I needed to be at at least 1/400th of a second.  Don't get me wrong, I got plenty of good ones below that, but in order for me to really get it right & make it look like it was shot from a tripod almost all the time 1/400th is where I needed to be.  That may just be the way it is for me, & that's without a monopod or a tree to lean on or anything.

Now for sports with a 7D it's certainly going to be different.  Fist of all you have almost double the pixels of my 40D, but of course "acceptably sharp" will depend on your output resolution (even if you're not rock-solid at the pixel level).  In terms of acceptable motion blur & sharpness, what passes for acceptable in sports photography & landscape photography are two very different things (unless of course your clients are printing your sports shots at A3 or larger on a regular basis...).  You can really crank the ISO on that 7D in order to keep your shutter speed up, and sports shots are so much more about the moment than about the technical quality of the image.  Not saying that the images need to be less good, but you can certainly get away with a lot more.

But the biggest advantage you have vs. landscape photography is that your subjects are usually moving.  Like some other folks here have said, if your panning technique is good & you can follow the motion of the subject really closely, you should be able to cut that speed requirement down to 1/100th or so, maybe even less if you've practiced a lot at following your subjects it & really get it right (a lot also depends on the speed of your subject).

This is a matter of technique and IS...

However, for most sports photography, a minimum shutter speed is 1/500... usually, a speed of 1/1000 or more is preferable...

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mark II for Photokina? [CR1]

« on: December 31, 2011, 02:16:24 AM »

Somebody please explain the fascination with APS-H sensors that some folks seem to have.

- has a crop for the extra apparent reach
- has good low noise
- has good IQ
- has the scope for 25mp+ without compromising the above

The best APS-H body is far better than the best APS-C. So all they have to do is lift the sensor and AF and put it in a (3D) small body and there is a body better than the 7D

Ehhhhh, there are some newer APS-C sensors that are quite close.

On paper, APS-H is better in all the ways mentioned but, is it really so much better as to warrant the increased difficulty and price in manufacturing and sales?

And the loss in focal length?

Indeed but, that's been mentioned previously.

Sure now, the ASP-H is in a better body than the best ASP-C, but that has nothing to do with the sensor and evrything to do with the body...

ASP-C is amazing, and always shall be. It is here to stay, for a while anyway. Though many might naysay the ASP-C, many also naysay the 2x and more crops of the mirrorless cameras; mirrorless cameras are selling like wildfire, despite a smaller sensor!!!

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III Sooner Than Later [CR2]

« on: December 30, 2011, 09:07:06 PM »

...- include 7 AEB i mean come on 3 on a high end bosy is just silly.
- Put in a wireless flash control I mean come on the 600D can wireless control multiple speedlights.

+1: 3 AEB hurts me like anything: Canon needs to stop being over protective of it's 1D line... it should be able to stand on its own! 

So shoot "manual".

Then you have no AEB limit.

I probably don't have your motor skills and while fiddling with manual controls, I am sure to move the camera a bit ... and induce some blur in one of the frames.

This is something that midrange Nikons have, the Free Magic lantern has... it is just irksome that canon cannot add a few lines of code and implement it. It's like when the iphone 3G came, it had tethering, but AT&T blocked that feature... a decision that has no real basis in cost / resources but in greed.

If you're not using a tripod then you will move the camera "a bit", regardless of whether you're using AEB or not, when you're firing off multiple shots in succession.

If you're using a tripod and induce blur into a shot then your technique is sloppy.

It's not like this is rocket science.

I shouldn't have to explain this or how to address these problems to anyone that owns a 5D MarkII.

Indeed... I'm not too concerned with AEB, but more control over the auto ISO would be nice...

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mark II for Photokina? [CR1]

« on: December 30, 2011, 09:03:44 PM »

Somebody please explain the fascination with APS-H sensors that some folks seem to have.

- has a crop for the extra apparent reach
- has good low noise
- has good IQ
- has the scope for 25mp+ without compromising the above

The best APS-H body is far better than the best APS-C. So all they have to do is lift the sensor and AF and put it in a (3D) small body and there is a body better than the 7D

Ehhhhh, there are some newer APS-C sensors that are quite close.

On paper, APS-H is better in all the ways mentioned but, is it really so much better as to warrant the increased difficulty and price in manufacturing and sales?

And the loss in focal length?

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mark II for Photokina? [CR1]

« on: December 30, 2011, 12:46:26 PM »

Indeed. And I, and likely the vast majority of 7D users, would be quite upset to see our lenses shorter, our megapixels fewer, or other adulterations to what is 7D. What defines the 7D is high MP, ASP-C, with advanced AF, burst, and weather sealing. Changing parts of this makes it not a 7D.

I am sure 1D4 shooter will have a smile on their face with that comment 

Let them.   

Not everyone is rich enough to be one of them, so while the smiles, the masses must suffer with our gear we have...

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EOS Bodies / Re: How many of you would....

« on: December 30, 2011, 06:39:40 AM »

Pay $2995 for a 1d4 aps-h sensor in a 7d body?

It is conceivable that after the 1Dx is released, Canon could continue selling their APS-H sensor in the smaller form factor of a 7d body, and fill a major void in the market. The pros would flock to the new 1Dx, but perhaps add one of these as a backup. Meanwhile it seems like it would hit the sweet-spot for the prosumer/enthusiast crowd that shoot events, sports and video. Methinks it makes sense.

APS-H (great for video and sports)
7-8 FPS
ISO 12,800 (same as 1d4)
7d AF
7d Body

It would certainly address 80% of the complaints we have....and the hardware is already developed!
The studio/landscaper crowd will have their needs addressed with the upcoming models anyways.
Make sense? Or am I an idiot?

hello,

it is a good idea with a slight change in naming. I believe that CANON needs a top APS-C body to compete with NIKON and to keep compatibility with the EF-S lenses some of which are really very good (10-22, 17-55, 15-85).

What you are practically saying is that you need a 1DmkIV on a smaller body!
I remember the film days where the EOS 1 series bodies were of reasonable size and we had the option of adding a booster or battery pack (7D has been said to have similar sealing as EOS1n I think) The prices were more reasonable too

Indeed, Canon DOES need a high end ASP-C body... The D400 is coming out soon, and I am sure it will be a high MP DX body... The d7000 likewise is already out (more of a 60D competitor), and it raised the Nikon DX mp over 12, so I am sure that the D400 will likely raise the bar much futher.

If Canon decides to retreat on the MP, bloat the sensor size, or both of the 7D, it will hurt them badly...

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mark II for Photokina? [CR1]

« on: December 30, 2011, 06:35:37 AM »

I don't know how people are so certain on how the 7D mkII will be built. It's all speculation at this point and the EF-S lens argument doesn't matter. Do you really think Canon is overly concerned about how you chose to invest in lenses? They are still a business out to make money. As stated in a previous post, the 70D is likely going to be better than the 7D, so there's always that IF Canon puts in a larger sensor. If they stick with APC-S, then EF-S users can rejoice. The point is that no one knows for sure.

What I THINK is happening is that Canon is restructuring their Pro lineup and there will be big changes. What ever happens, I think it will be an exciting year for Canon with new bodies and lenses coming out on the market.

They most certainly care.  Companies care a lot about the buying habits of their customers.  Catering to those habits is exactly how companies make money.  Just how did you think Canon, or any company for that matter, plans on making money if they don't care about what their customers want and what they purchase?


Edit: As a counter point to your argument, take even a cursory look at the American automotive industry.  In short, people knew what they wanted and it was not what the big three were offering.  Today, those same companies model their designs after and aspire to rival the aesthetics of the Euro automakers while achieving the same reliability as the Japanese.  All this, because people were, largely, telling them to f' off and it was affecting their bottom line.  Canon WILL listen to an extent, it's life depends on it.

Indeed. And I, and likely the vast majority of 7D users, would be quite upset to see our lenses shorter, our megapixels fewer, or other adulterations to what is 7D. What defines the 7D is high MP, ASP-C, with advanced AF, burst, and weather sealing. Changing parts of this makes it not a 7D.