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EOS Bodies / Re: No 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« on: February 14, 2012, 02:14:44 PM »
If this rumor is true I want to know who was the bird/sport/wildlife shooter that really pis anoyed the Canon execs? Kill the 1D4 and now kill the 7D?

If you merge the 7D into the 70D what will it cost for a xxxD shooter to move up to the 70D? Will they pay that much? Well, if they just move the present 7D into the smaller body they could save the development cost of a 7D2 but then what will 7D users do for an upgrade?

A question for the FF shooters that keep telling us to move up to FF. Do you shoot a supertelephoto + an extender? If I shot weddings and events there is no way I would have bought a second 7D rather than a 5D2 but I don't. At times I really need a 1120mm FOV (500mm x 1.4 x 1.6).

Perhaps I should buy a 1D4 before they are all gone, that way I would have f/8 AF with the lower crop.

Canon is crazy. It's almost like they want the wildlife people to jump ship. Arthur Morris has been pretty tight-lipped on his blog about his opinion on the 1DX, but a few complaints have slipped through from time to time, especially about the no F8 AF.

To get the same FOV as my 7D with a 300 2.8, I would need a 500 F4. Bigger, heavier, expensiver, less hand-held. To get the same FOV as my 300 2.8 + 2x TC, I would need either to slap on a 2x TC and get a 1000 f8 with no AF, or go for a 800 5.6 with a 1.4x TC and... ...wait a minute, still NO AF!!!

Plus, that little bit of extra depth of field HELPS. Ever shot herons? On my 7D, I usually need to stop down to F8. If I were using FF, I would be stopping my 500 F4 down to f11. More diffraction, more high ISO to get a shutterspeed >1000...

A crop body just plain makes sense.

EOS Bodies / Re: Anyone else want a cropped sensor?
« on: February 14, 2012, 02:07:22 PM »
I realise I am in the minority, but I am NOT currently in the market for FF body (not that I wouldn’t like one, just I have not got the glass or the money), but am dieing to replace my banged up 450D.
So what do folks think the next cropped bodies will be like? Is there anyone else out there who wants one?

No, you are not in the minority! There are many out there who think this also.

No I don't want a cropped sensor.. its like asking does anyone want the same fuel economy but less horsepower..

That's a false analogy. Grad you full-frame camera, shoot an image of a distant heron (20 meters); from the same point, mount a 7D on the same lens, and shoot the same picture. The bird will be much larger in the 7D's frame. Go ahead and crop the FF in post processing; you will not have the pixels tow work with it the way you would with a 7D.

Crop sensors sell by far the largest number of DSLR camera bodies, so a ton of people want them.

I'd rather say  the majority wants relatively small and cheap camera. it happens to be apsc now, but it is not the customer's decision, even though many of them do not even know what the difference is, but currently there are no options (maybe a 6d or 8d as cheap FF?). I'd prefer FF but not in the size and price of a 5d.

If you want cheaper FF, get an old used film rebel for about 20 bucks. Otherwise, you won't get a cheaper FF. The 5D was revolutionary in part because it was a cheap FF. The "I want to kill the 7D to bring about a cheaper FF with 7D AF" cry many are echoing on these forums is not even realistic.

EOS Bodies / Re: No 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« on: February 14, 2012, 01:57:17 PM »
It just doesn't make any sense. Why would they do that?

That would be the 70D...

The 7D is a real oddity - a decidedly "pro" body with glaringly non-pro features (sensor, pop-up flash anyone?). Put a 22MP new-gen FF sensor in a 7D body, add the new 1Dx-derived AF tech, and you have the 5Dx. Every 7D/5D2 owner will buy one, probably two. Pump up the 60D with some 7D tech and bring back the xxD line to it's rightful place at the top of the APS-C heap. Wham-bam, Canon sells a gazillion cameras and Nikon fanboys gloat about their 36MP that no-one really wanted anyway ;)

Don't knock the pop-up flash, you never know.

Out of the blue we once got a call that the stanley cup was in town and that we needed to run and get some shots instantly, pop up flash sure provided some nice little fill flash for the first location they had it in and some pros there were in the same situation and going "gotta love the pop up!"

And it's nice for the occasional little snap shot or a sudden unexpected thing like a tree frog appearing at night when that was the last thing you were expecting to shoot, etc. Not everyone want to always drag an external flash along every single time they are out.

Don't knock it.

Also dont forget the D300, D300s, D700 AND the D800 all have pop up flashes.  All them, in the nikon lineup, are considered pro bodies.  Plus you got the wireless commander... It serves it's purpose for the Oh Crap moments.  Also dont forget the 7D was aimed squarely at the D300 and the D300s.  The 7D2 will likely be aimed squarely at the D400 or whatever it gets called when the time comes.

The crop sensor is the big attraction of the 7D. Pop in a 22mp FF and you have a gelded wildlife camera. It's usefulness would be sorely degraded.

The 1.6 crop is the best teleconverter there is. My 300 2.8 would suddenly have the field of view of the 200 side of my 70-200 f2.8,

It would be folly and mischievous madness for Canon to adulterate the 7D. By the way, what do you think the D400 is going to be like? If Canon drops the ball on the 7D MK II, and Nikon gets the D400 right, a lot of people are going to be looking long and hard at the other side of the fence. 

EOS Bodies / Re: No 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« on: February 14, 2012, 09:17:01 AM »
I want an APS-C 7D MK II. I don't want it called different names, nor do I want it's sensor size meddled with.

This is a very serious and emotional thing for me and many 7D users.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon will end the 7D series life?
« on: February 10, 2012, 02:02:11 PM »

The 7D is the halo/ Flagship product for APS-C sensors, can't see them ditching that.

Indeed. Although, an APS-C 1D body would be great...

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7D on it's way out?
« on: February 10, 2012, 10:32:42 AM »
I called my local camera shop to get pricing and availability on the 7D....they said that they are out of stock and probably not getting any more.  This is from a reputable store as well, would definitely patronize them if I can. 

Odd I thought since I see it available all over the web.  Anyone else run into this lately?

This probably means that the 7D mk II is going to be announced soon...

The OP states that a local brick-and-mortar store is not getting any more 7D cameras.  Not that want to buy them from Canon but there's no availability.  Not that Canon has discontinued the wholesale supply.  Just that they're not getting any more.  Most likely, it means they aren't selling enough of them to warrant keeping them in stock. 

There was a flap about this a while back, a reputable online retailer (in the UK/EU, I think) was listing the 7D as 'limited stock remaining, will not be restocked'.  That was for the 7D body only, the 7D kits were stocked and remained so.  Again, a case of a retailer looking at their sales history, and reducing stock levels of a product because carrying it is no longer profitable for them. 

So, no, it doesn't mean a 7DII is coming soon.  Or, if you prefer, yes, it means that a 7DII is coming soon, just as surely as the upcoming storm we're expecting in the Northeast US was caused by a butterfly flapping it's wings in China.

And may it flap hard then! Actually, I am expecting the 7D mk II to be announced October. Hoping for it sooner is wishful thinking. I remember that the 1Ds mk III was being reported out of stock a while before the 1DX started to be announced, though... So we probably still have six months or more to wait...

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7D on it's way out?
« on: February 10, 2012, 09:25:56 AM »
I called my local camera shop to get pricing and availability on the 7D....they said that they are out of stock and probably not getting any more.  This is from a reputable store as well, would definitely patronize them if I can. 

Odd I thought since I see it available all over the web.  Anyone else run into this lately?

This probably means that the 7D mk II is going to be announced soon...

I was bicycling through the Shark Valley Loop in the Everglades with my 7D, and I wrecked and it hit the road (along with me).

The 7D came out just fine!

EOS Bodies / Re: 40MP Canon that's not the 5D3?
« on: February 08, 2012, 03:19:49 PM »
does this mean we are looking at an APS-C cropped sensor with 40mp on it?  :-\

I can only hope!!!  8)

Yup, and expect the prices to continue to go up with another round of Quantitative Easing on the horizon (i.e the Fed printing more money)

My grocery bill has more than doubled in the last 5 years.


Cable Bill?

This is what you get with a devalued dollar.

And you also get a higher stock market, and people aren't rioting because their 401k's aren't high enough to retire on.  Even though, you aren't going to be able to afford a $40,000 new car that used to be $20,000.

You also get people working past 65 instead of training the younger generation and lowering their unemployment rate.

That is why I am buying lenses and camera gear.  There might be some improvements in the future, but sharp pictures will still be sharp 20 years from now.

I echo the doubling of the bills. Even restaurants are charging nearly double what they used to cost in 2000.

Gentlemen, the time to buy and hoard Canon lenses is now!

EOS Bodies / Re: I know the future!
« on: February 08, 2012, 11:21:30 AM »
This year we will se two new bodies:

3D: High MP (40+), slow FPS...
5Dx: Low MP (22), faster FPS...

That way canon will have a product for both niche markets!  ;)

In case of bodies:

1.) I think that there will be one high mpx camera + I assume it will be the 4K with RAW video (which was also patented). It will be low fps, fewer AF points, video and studio focused camera. This could be 4000-4500 USD.

2.) I assume it will be something like posted 5D-X or however it will be called. Light prosumer body with good AF, around 6 fps, +-22 mpx FF sensor, great high ISO and around 3000 USD as price tag goes. This will not be a direct competitor to D800 (fewer mpx, less fps, possibly no RAW video).

3.) I think there will be a Rebel body. Not sure about specs. Maybe they just bump new processor in it and 24 mpx sensor (but currently 18 mpx is enough).

There is, for sure, market for another 2 FF bodies. If they divide them like this, they will definitely profit from this.

If true....I'll take #2 ;)

As will I! (Although I hope it's $2700...)

I suspect it would probably cost nearly 4,000. Canon doesn't want to eat out the 1DX.

Moreover, if Canon merges the 7D-5D lineup, they will enrage the many who are looking for a higher-res FF camera (D800, anyone?), and enrage those looking for an APS-C action/sports/wildlife camera. And, I suspect the D400 is probably going to be a camera which will probabably get a lot of heads turning....

EOS Bodies / Re: Childish Behaviour
« on: February 08, 2012, 11:16:55 AM »
When Canon started the Megapixel race the only thing you read on forums was:

Why  can't Canon do like Nikon.
Less MP and clean high ISO images (like d700/d3s)

Now Canon is doing exactly this ( flagship 1dx) !
Always complain. So many forum topics where people are switching to Nikon ? why ?

I am certain 99% will not need 36mp images.
I would say go outside and take some pictures.
All current cameras (Canon and Nikon) will do just fine for most of us. (I would say all of us)

I really hope Canon will not go into MP race.

Edward van Altena
Don't discount other people's needs because they don't match your own, some people have a use for higher MP. My "serious" photography is aerial/realestate/recon. The ability to keep zooming in on an image for details that were unknown at the time of shooting is huge. Printing? Who does that? Pop the image via wifi for display on a 55" LED.

I'm with you here. I like having as many MP's as possible. Why? Cropping! I shoot birds. And those of you who do well understand the phenomenon. And those of you who would tell me to just get a longer lens, two problems:

1. I don't have 12,000 spare bucks hanging around.

2. An 800 5.6 is very hard to take and use in many of the places I like to go. Humping through the everglades with my current lens is hard enough...

So, is cropping the ideal solution? Maybe not on paper, and perhaps not in a forum discussion, but on the field, and back home on my computer, it is the ideal solution for me.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 VC Announced
« on: February 06, 2012, 12:24:51 PM »
A lens I am almost interested in... I like my 24-105 a lot, and use my 30 .14 when it gets really dark. Maybe if I had a 5D, I would get it...

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