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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mark II for Photokina? [CR1]
« on: December 30, 2011, 12:46:26 PM »

Indeed. And I, and likely the vast majority of 7D users, would be quite upset to see our lenses shorter, our megapixels fewer, or other adulterations to what is 7D. What defines the 7D is high MP, ASP-C, with advanced AF, burst, and weather sealing. Changing parts of this makes it not a 7D.

I am sure 1D4 shooter will have a smile on their face with that comment  ;D ;D

Let them.  ;D  ;D

Not everyone is rich enough to be one of them, so while the smiles, the masses must suffer with our gear we have...

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EOS Bodies / Re: How many of you would....
« on: December 30, 2011, 06:39:40 AM »
Pay $2995 for a 1d4 aps-h sensor in a 7d body?

It is conceivable that after the 1Dx is released, Canon could continue selling their APS-H sensor in the smaller form factor of a 7d body, and fill a major void in the market. The pros would flock to the new 1Dx, but perhaps add one of these as a backup. Meanwhile it seems like it would hit the sweet-spot for the prosumer/enthusiast crowd that shoot events, sports and video. Methinks it makes sense.

APS-H (great for video and sports)
7-8 FPS
ISO 12,800 (same as 1d4)
7d AF
7d Body

It would certainly address 80% of the complaints we have....and the hardware is already developed!
The studio/landscaper crowd will have their needs addressed with the upcoming models anyways.
Make sense? Or am I an idiot?

hello,

it is a good idea with a slight change in naming. I believe that CANON needs a top APS-C body to compete with NIKON and to keep compatibility with the EF-S lenses some of which are really very good (10-22, 17-55, 15-85).

What you are practically saying is that you need a 1DmkIV on a smaller body!
I remember the film days where the EOS 1 series bodies were of reasonable size and we had the option of adding a booster or battery pack (7D has been said to have similar sealing as EOS1n I think) The prices were more reasonable too :(

Indeed, Canon DOES need a high end ASP-C body... The D400 is coming out soon, and I am sure it will be a high MP DX body... The d7000 likewise is already out (more of a 60D competitor), and it raised the Nikon DX mp over 12, so I am sure that the D400 will likely raise the bar much futher.

If Canon decides to retreat on the MP, bloat the sensor size, or both of the 7D, it will hurt them badly...

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mark II for Photokina? [CR1]
« on: December 30, 2011, 06:35:37 AM »
I don't know how people are so certain on how the 7D mkII will be built. It's all speculation at this point and the EF-S lens argument doesn't matter. Do you really think Canon is overly concerned about how you chose to invest in lenses? They are still a business out to make money. As stated in a previous post, the 70D is likely going to be better than the 7D, so there's always that IF Canon puts in a larger sensor. If they stick with APC-S, then EF-S users can rejoice. The point is that no one knows for sure.

What I THINK is happening is that Canon is restructuring their Pro lineup and there will be big changes. What ever happens, I think it will be an exciting year for Canon with new bodies and lenses coming out on the market.



They most certainly care.  Companies care a lot about the buying habits of their customers.  Catering to those habits is exactly how companies make money.  Just how did you think Canon, or any company for that matter, plans on making money if they don't care about what their customers want and what they purchase????


Edit: As a counter point to your argument, take even a cursory look at the American automotive industry.  In short, people knew what they wanted and it was not what the big three were offering.  Today, those same companies model their designs after and aspire to rival the aesthetics of the Euro automakers while achieving the same reliability as the Japanese.  All this, because people were, largely, telling them to f' off and it was affecting their bottom line.  Canon WILL listen to an extent, it's life depends on it.

Indeed. And I, and likely the vast majority of 7D users, would be quite upset to see our lenses shorter, our megapixels fewer, or other adulterations to what is 7D. What defines the 7D is high MP, ASP-C, with advanced AF, burst, and weather sealing. Changing parts of this makes it not a 7D.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mark II for Photokina? [CR1]
« on: December 29, 2011, 06:43:56 PM »
I can't see APS-H returning in the 7D line, I think that for all intents and purposes it is now dead. 

I could see Canon upping a lot of the specifications of the 7D Mk. II to turn it into a mini-1D X, now that the 1D series has gone full frame.  I could also see that staying at 18MP would work within this marketing scheme; the only problem would be selling this sensor in lower end cameras, now that the other manufacturers are starting to push megapixels.

P.S. In case you didn't get the message from many of the review sites, more megapixels are good now that it isn't Canon leading the way.  Indeed, once Nikon adopt the 24MP Sony APS-C sensor, DP Review will declare that they don't know how they managed to live with so few previously (hell they even gave the A77 one whole percent more than the D7000  -that's quite something!).

Indeed they are good. And may we see many more of them!

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mark II for Photokina? [CR1]
« on: December 29, 2011, 02:24:23 PM »
What many commenting here don't seem to get is the two main draws of the 7D:

1. 1.6x crop sensor. This is a huge reason of why I wanted it over the 5D. I need the reach. A 800 5.6 is simply out of my reach financially. And, it;s pretty unwieldy to boot.

2. 18 mp. This is hugely important for bird and wildlife photography. Fewer pixels would mean less to work with, and more problems when working with it.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mark II for Photokina? [CR1]
« on: December 28, 2011, 10:38:19 PM »
If Canon lowers the MP of the 7D mk II, I will not get one.

If they make it ASP-H, I will smite Canon!

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EOS Bodies / Re: How many of you would....
« on: December 24, 2011, 05:57:33 PM »
I shot this with a 7D and a 400 f2.8 at 200 ISO and a shutter speed of around 400. I defy any one to describe the bokeh as messy or bad in any way. It was even drizzly out. The FF may provide more separation and a little more blur, but I don't think the quality is really much different.

Love the picture!!!

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EOS Bodies / Re: How many of you would....
« on: December 24, 2011, 09:36:58 AM »
Mp, not jesting... loss of wide... EF-S doesn't work on ASP-H... Canon's widest for ASP-H is 14mm... the 10-22 beats this out... The point is not improved image quality, it is Vastly improved image quality...

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EOS Bodies / Re: What do you do with old bodies?
« on: December 24, 2011, 09:06:21 AM »
Hide them so the cops don't find out....  :-X :-* :'(

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is it worth picking up the 1D-X?
« on: December 24, 2011, 09:04:44 AM »
Of course it's worth picking one up!

But what for?

Why would you use it?

What could it do for you the 7D and hot glass could not?

If so, get it and love it! Treat it well, and feed it gloriously.

If not, there are many other cameras in the sea...

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EOS Bodies / Re: How many of you would....
« on: December 24, 2011, 09:03:14 AM »
Shallow depth of field can at times be problematic, though... Ever taken that epic picture, only to pind the bird's eyes in focus, but the tip of his bill awkwardly oof? Sure, you can stop down the FF camera, but then you end up losing the low light advantage. Are FF cameras reallt all that much better than ASP-C? Especially ASP-H... How much better is it really? For the loss of BOTH wide angle AND tele range, there must needs ne much improved image quality. And I am not convinced there is.

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EOS Bodies / Re: "In Development" Canon Cinema EOS 4K DSLR
« on: December 24, 2011, 08:57:57 AM »
A 16:9 snesor on this?

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EOS Bodies / Re: How many of you would....
« on: December 23, 2011, 06:24:36 PM »
I for one would not want an APS-H sensor in a 7D II or 6D.  I use the 7D for sports and wildlife and welcome the 1.6x crop factor.  I use the 5D II for everything else.  I really do not see the need for 1.3x crop.  I'd say put in the 45 point AF into the 7DII and keep it a 1.6x and give it 10 FPS.  That would suite me just fine.

Indeed.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Do I need a better camera or a better pair of hands?
« on: December 23, 2011, 04:13:09 PM »
True at times, but then there are wedding photographers hired expresssly for their look...

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EOS Bodies / Re: How many of you would....
« on: December 23, 2011, 04:07:28 PM »
Pay $2995 for a 1d4 aps-h sensor in a 7d body?

No, I wouldn't. But, I would pay $4299 for an APS-C sensor in a 1D X body (with some noise improvements, 1D X-like AF but with an f/8 center point, 1D X metering and ergonomics).

Anyone else?

Neuro, I can't dispute that if an APS-C were released with 1d/5d level performance, there would certainly be interest in it. But right now that is a hypothetical sensor that would require new R&D and lead time. The 1d4 sensor is real and ready to go...and until the 1dx is released, is still Canon's best for events, sports and movies

If Nikon were to recycle their 12mp d3s sensor into the 700s with movie functionality in 2012, Canon would have their hands full.

I'm not certain why... The benefits of the D3s are more than just sensor...

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