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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon EOS 6D Rating by DXOMark
« on: December 12, 2012, 02:02:28 PM »
No need to take it personal, it is not a bad camera, just because the Nikons are, sensor wise, better pixel by pixel. At least on low ISO. However, the 6D (and other Canons) are the better ones at higher ISO. No big news! The DXO tests does not say which camera is better, just how the sensors perform.

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Quite interesting! I think the next generation crop cameras, with the 7DII as the first to be released are gonna have an entire new generation sensors. I dont think Canon dare to release a pro crop camera with the worn out 18mp sensor. That is why it is taking so long.
Some people think that all 18 mp sensors are the same, even though they obviously are not.  If Nikon uses a 18mp semsor, will it be a old worn out Canon sensor?  What about the Nikon D4, its 16mp, must be a old worn out sensor from the Canon 1DS MK II?

I am obviously talking about Canon sensors, this is, after all a Canon forum. You cant deny that Canon have been really good at re-using their 18mp sensor. And I dont know where you have the idea that everybody think that all 18mp sensors are the same, that is news to me. Why should people think that the Nikon D4 sensor is old and worn out? Because it is only 16mp? People that dont like photography may think that mp is an indication of how good a camera is. However, to my knowledge, these people wont know what a D4 is.

I dont know too much about Nikon sensors, other than that their new sensors supposedly are very good, DR wise.

As my prediction about the new sensor in the 7DII, I base that on rumors. We obviously dont know anything, since Canon are keeping their plans secret.



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Quite interesting! I think the next generation crop cameras, with the 7DII as the first to be released are gonna have an entire new generation sensors. I dont think Canon dare to release a pro crop camera with the worn out 18mp sensor. That is why it is taking so long.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Renting 6D or 5D mark iii plus lenses?
« on: December 06, 2012, 03:36:34 PM »
First, if renting, I would have insurance! The equipment is expensive, and accidents do happen!

For holliday shooting, street and portraits I´d say 6D. At least if it is a big difference in price. For this type of shooting you dont need the 5D3´s fantastic autofocus. It would only complicate the use. Lens wise? I dont think you can go wrong with either 24-70 or the 24-105. The latter is more flexible due to focal length, but f2.8 is also nice. However, the high iso capabilities of the 6D and 5D3 makes up for the loss in aperture. 6D and 24-105 would be a great travel combination!

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: DigitalRevTV: Canon 6D vs Nikon D600
« on: December 06, 2012, 03:31:07 PM »
Hi!

Yes, I think this video was released today. I´ll post in your thread about renting.
DigitalRevTV is quite funny and informative at the same time.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / DigitalRevTV: Canon 6D vs Nikon D600
« on: December 06, 2012, 02:40:15 PM »
Canon 6D vs Nikon D600

Quite interesting comparison. The high ISO performance of the 6D is fantastic!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 02:05:06 AM »
1/8000, Digic5+, 100% VF and good ISO range... The real specs are better than I feard, watching the rumors. However, the AF-system need to impress before I ever will consider this DSLR. I shoot with the old 9pt. system, and action is not easy!
Other than the AF - system, this look OK. Not mindblowing, but OK.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« on: September 15, 2012, 03:12:10 AM »
I think these specs are all bogus. Canon are just trying the Apple PR - method. Say nothing, comment nothing, just release what they want, when they want. They look at these forums and laugh their ass off! Why? Because, if people were not interested in their product they would just ignore them. Instead people are yelling and shouting and cursing, which mean they are dedicated. That is all canon need to know, because their lenses are what keeps the amateur, hobbyist and professional shooters loyal to the canon camp, as they/we are heavily invested in all the glass. P&S buyers and first time DSLR buyers just buy what the salesman says.

So, do I think the 6D is for real with these specs? No, but Canon wont rush to prove otherwise, just because we are yelling at these forums. They really really don´t care, because no matter how much we scream and shout here, when the cameras are in the store, we buy them anyway.

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Lenses / Re: lens recommendations for a vacation
« on: September 12, 2012, 04:14:25 AM »
What about 24-105, and try to get your hands on the shorty forty. Should be a good travel pack.

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Looking forward to reviews on this one! Probably way out of my price range, but still… Dreaming is free of charge :)

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: rumor: D600 gets 16 Bit processing
« on: September 01, 2012, 02:37:29 AM »
Well, in Nokia's case, they did not have anything that could keep its customers hooked onto Nokia phones like the lenses of Canon & Nikon. But I do agree that arrogance of not taking competition seriously will cost them dearly ... in the 80's Nikon (who was the supreme leader of SLR cameras) did not take Canon AF lenses seriously and it paid very dearly by losing its top position to Canon and has not caught up ever since. Having said that, with the current lens reliant cameras I do not see any problem with either Canon or Nikon losing out to anyone ... at least not until the competition comes up with some incredibly compelling lenses to match the capabilities of the sensors.

A good nights sleep has made me think that my argument is not accurate. Perhaps Canon is taking it´s competition very seriously (ofcourse they are), because Canons cameras are very very capable, perhaps the best, if we see them as a complete package. The arrogance is perhaps against their customers, since many of them are heavily invested in lenses, and jumping ship is first of all very expensive, and sencond, Canon have the best lens lineup of all. That is why they can charge sky high prices for cameras that are not revolutionary, but a carefull evolution of it´s predecessor.

Sorry to have pulled this thread a bit off topic. I look forward to see Canons answer if Nikon is surpassing them on key specifications, like the 16 bit procesing. This is directly linked to the IQ, and therefore more important than AF for me (hobbyist). (And, to be clear, I do want a good AF, but IQ > AF, as AF, light meter and so on are all aids for the sensor to do its job. Crap sensor is still crap even if you have the best AF in the world. AF with some drawbacks can be overcome with technique.)

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: rumor: D600 gets 16 Bit processing
« on: August 31, 2012, 07:11:43 PM »
The "bigger impact" that you are speaking of, only exists in our heads ... generally the people who actually buy these cameras are those who can only buy that specific camera at that price point (there might be some exceptions but very few) ... people don't go for a cheaper camera when they can afford a better one.
Let me give you a recent example, for a very long time in India Suzuki has been making small cars which cost around $5000, a couple of years ago another very popular Indian car maker launched a very "similar" sized car for only $2000 ... but the $2000 did not beat the "similar" sized $5000 car, in fact most people looked down on it $2000 car and it made the $5000 car even more popular ... because it was no longer the "cheapest" car around instead it had become something of an upgrade from a "very cheap" $2000 car.
If anything the perception of "bigger impact" could actually work in favour of D800 & 5D MK III.
Many people thought the same thing about Canon 1100D/Nikon D3100 vs Canon 550D/Nikon D5100 ... but the fact of the matter most people did not chose the entry level DLSRs if they could afford one level higher DSLRs like the 500D or the D5000 etc, despite both having the same sensor.

I do get your point, and it is true in most cases. There are one other example, though a bit different. Nokia, once king of the mobile phone world, now in big big trouble, beacause of arrogance and not taking the competition seriously.

Canon needs the competition, and should take them seriously. The worst that can happen from that is that we get better and cheaper Canon products, and the best is that we get better and cheaper Canon products. :)

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: rumor: D600 gets 16 Bit processing
« on: August 31, 2012, 06:42:12 PM »
5D2 was revolutionary and it is the 2nd most popular camera of all time (since the AF era) ... besides it was capable of amazing video ... and yet D700 with only 12 megapixel and no video capability sold very well with 51 AF points and stood its ground against the mighty 5D MK II.
By the way, your math pretty bad, coz "41pt" AF vs "61pt" is approx 33% difference ... between Canon's 22MP vs Nikon's 36MP is only 38%
Till recently I owned/used Nikon D700 (I sold it to fund 5D MK III) so I am speaking from my personal experience ... you may stop hoping coz Canon will NOT get "nervous". Each of these cameras, (that will be released sometime in the near future), will have their place and people will continue to buy both D800 and 5D MK III, despite new cheaper FF DSLRs, as both brands have very loyal customers who like their products.

I can see what I wrote was unclear. What I meant was that the differnece in resolution between 5D3 and D800; 22MP and 36MP  (ok, "nearly 50%" is a bit off, thanx for doing the math for me here), has bigger impact, or is a more important difference, than the AF differences.

Edit: And the 41pt. AF does not make the D600 an entry level, just because it has an inferior AF system to its closest competitor. 

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: rumor: D600 gets 16 Bit processing
« on: August 31, 2012, 05:55:46 PM »
So, this is the 5dMKIII competitor, not the D800. If the rumor about the price, $1500 is correct, then it is a 5DMKIII at half the price. Canon should be afraid.


it´s an entry level fullframe.
not really a competition to the 5D MK3 other then sensor size and MP.
+1 for Freelancer

Why is it an entry level camera?
The size of the body (which seems large enough at pictures) or is it that it has magnesium alloy on top and back only?

These are still rumors, so we can only speculate, but to me the D600 is the 5D3 competitor, since the specs are so similar. And as long as it is half the price, I maintain my initial statement, Canon should be afraid. They are the King of the hill now, but situations can change if the company gets arrogant. And no, I´m not leaving Canon due to their great lenses, but I´m just saying.

It wont be in the same league in AF performance, Not until Nikon revamps its entire line-up will it even touch the beauty of the 61 Point AF on the 5D3.

It doesn´t need to have the same AF performance to be the closest competitor. 5D2 did well with 9 point AF, so 41 should do. And, if so, the D800 is not the 5D3 competitor, with nearly 50% more pixels. That is a bigger difference than 41pt. AF vs. 61pt.

I really hope Canon are getting nervous, that mean they have to adjust the prices to meet the competition. I like the Canon lenses and camera layout (buttons etc.), and are gonna stick to them, but their prices are insane.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: rumor: D600 gets 16 Bit processing
« on: August 31, 2012, 05:42:12 PM »
So, this is the 5dMKIII competitor, not the D800. If the rumor about the price, $1500 is correct, then it is a 5DMKIII at half the price. Canon should be afraid.


it´s an entry level fullframe.
not really a competition to the 5D MK3 other then sensor size and MP.
+1 for Freelancer

Why is it an entry level camera?
The size of the body (which seems large enough at pictures) or is it that it has magnesium alloy on top and back only?

These are still rumors, so we can only speculate, but to me the D600 is the 5D3 competitor, since the specs are so similar. And as long as it is half the price, I maintain my initial statement, Canon should be afraid. They are the King of the hill now, but situations can change if the company gets arrogant. And no, I´m not leaving Canon due to their great lenses, but I´m just saying.

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